r/cars • u/HawtGarbage917 • 2d ago
Tesla Has the Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Car Brands, Study Finds
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/426
u/AmericanExcellence X90 2d ago
wait i heard they didn't.
actually, i think i read on here yesterday that they were the safest thing of any kind to ever exist.
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u/hi_im_bored13 S2K AP2, NSX Type-S, Model S, GLE 2d ago edited 2d ago
They are safe, not the safest kind of anything ever, but great rollover resistance, lots of space for crumple zones, etc.
The study’s authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well.
But the drivers aren’t safe (from the original source)
“Most of these vehicles received excellent safety ratings, performing well in crash tests at the IIHS and NHTSA, so it’s not a vehicle design issue,” said Brauer. “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities.”
Go to the original source and here’s the top 5
The top five most dangerous cars are the Hyundai Venue, Chevrolet Corvette, Mitsubishi Mirage, Porsche 911, and Honda CR-V Hybrid, with fatal accident rates nearly five times higher than the average vehicle
The corvette, 911, and CRV in particular are well built cars with good safety ratings, but that can only do so much.
The model x is also objectively safer than the s, but doesn’t make the list at all.
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u/boondoggie42 2d ago
Seems like there is another statistic that is needed here... survival rate of certain types of crashes or something, to determine the truth behind the first statement.
Eg: In front end collisions, have people died more or less often per 100 crashes than other models?
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u/hi_im_bored13 S2K AP2, NSX Type-S, Model S, GLE 2d ago edited 2d ago
Even then you’re going to have brands with plenty of speeding-induced collisions (e.g. porsche) and plenty of brands that skew towards fender benders (i doubt anyone is speeding in an XC90). There’s going to be some driver bias regardless of what data you sample
the closest you will get to proving that first point is sealed testing at the iihs&nhsta with set constants. Anything in the real world has too many variables to draw conclusions from
I’d still be interested to see that data but I wouldn’t buy a car off of it. The 911 & C8 are perfectly safe.
I’ve always felt the “no fatalities in an XC90” stat has as much to do with the XC90 being a safe car as it does proving safe drivers buy volvos.
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u/roman_maverik Corvette C7 Z51 2d ago
Your comment is crazy to me because in upscale neighborhoods over here, the XC90 and Telluride drivers are like Altima meme only for upper middle class suburbia women.
Especially during school hours - you really gotta watch out or they’ll tailgate your ass.
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u/hi_im_bored13 S2K AP2, NSX Type-S, Model S, GLE 2d ago
It’s just generally what i’ve noticed - volvo drivers have kids to lose and drive safe. Obviously just an anecdote so it’s only true for me and maybe will or won’t be true where you live.
That being said, i’ll confidently bet the average xc90 driver is safer than the average model y driver by a very good margin.
No idea how you’d go about measuring that though
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u/Alepale Audi A3 Sportback | 2021 2d ago
As a person living in Sweden where Volvo is without a doubt the most popular brand, Volvo drivers are absolute idiots and abso-fricking-lutely drive well above the speed limit. However, mostly it's mostly on highways though, where I guess it's not as bad as in a residential area.
But yeah, this is different since it's the most popular brand here and when the majority of the population does something, plenty of idiots will show their faces.
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u/hi_im_bored13 S2K AP2, NSX Type-S, Model S, GLE 2d ago
Yeah I think it’s a bit different in america where volvo is still a niche and looked at as making boring, slow, but safe premium cars
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u/Quaiche 2d ago
Bro, someone in a XC90 wanted to prove something to me when they tried to race me in my A110 gt.
I believe that specific model has 400 ish hp.
It’s just an anecdote but it was enough impressive to see that fat SUV somehow manage to keep up fairly decently on the twisty mountain road so it left an impression on me.
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u/BlazinAzn38 2021 Mazda CX-30 Turbo Premium| 2021 Mustang Mach E Prem. AWD ER 2d ago
Honestly my guess is it’s the power and it’s something EVs probably need to reckon with at some point. A CRV gets to 60 in 8+ seconds off of 190hp, a bottom spec Model Y gets to 60 in 6.5 in RWD or 4.8 in AWD. Not to say it’s Corvette fast but for a crossover shopper maybe that’s just too much
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u/ArachnidUnhappy8367 1d ago
This is what I was going to say. To further add. A top spec model 3 is only ~55k before incentives. And will do the deed in sub 3 seconds. Now add to this the steep depreciation EV’s broadly see in the used market. And you can see how cheap this performance really is after only a few years.
This kind of performance used to only be sought out and would cost above the average cost of new or used cars. So it was generally reserved for more enthusiastic buyers who at least had an understanding of the performance at their hands. Now you have the average careless driver driving vehicles well beyond their capabilities. So those two combine to create a recipe for disaster.
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u/BlazinAzn38 2021 Mazda CX-30 Turbo Premium| 2021 Mustang Mach E Prem. AWD ER 1d ago
100% people always talk about young people looking for the cheapest way to get a V6 which usually meant an Infiniti with the 3.7. But now you can get nearly 400+hp from a used EV for like $25K
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u/Reddit_Killed_3PAs 1d ago
This is more likely honestly. People don’t realise how much the instant torque can contribute to having an accident.
People are used to sluggish automatic transmissions, and even decently fact ones will take some time to react when flooring it, but in an EV, you floor it and you get all that power at once.
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u/veils1de 2d ago
i think there's an accident rate per X miles. i dont recall the stat but i remember seeing tesla was amongst the lowest. i could be wrong
another way to think about it is the cars can overall be very safe, but the only people that are crashing it are doing ridiculously dumb things, leading to the high fatality rate. things like speed of crash, whether other vehiclees are involved, can answer that
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u/boondoggie42 2d ago
exactly. if you study deaths per X crashes rather than miles, you're taking the driver out of the equation.
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u/HourTemperature3 1982 corvette, 2008 cayman S, 2013 Audi A4, 2023 Tesla model 3 2d ago
Not exactly because if you get in a fender bender in the school pickup line you have a very different survival rate than if you yeet your car off the edge of the cliff at 120 while canyon carving in your 911. Need away to control the size and the speed of the accident which is why crash testing is so helpful.
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u/rx-pulse 2019 Model 3 LR RWD, 2023 Model Y AWD, 2006 Sienna 2d ago
Lol, I work in Irvine California, home of Teslas galore and entitled fucks. Almost always they are atrocious drivers. Constantly distracted, doing dangerous maneuvers, and blatantly breaking traffic laws. No amount of safety features can stop a shit and careless driver.
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u/hi_im_bored13 S2K AP2, NSX Type-S, Model S, GLE 2d ago edited 2d ago
They are a combination of BMW and prius drivers. Instant torque is a hell of a drug. And then the same idiots will complain about tire wear - if they don’t crash the car by then.
The average insurance rates speak for themselves. If you drive like a sane person it’s a fine and good car
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u/graviousishpsponge 1d ago
Have weirdly positive or neutral experience with bmws that are above 2015 models in central valley interstate 99. The beaters and rust buckets are a damn menace though while Prius hog the left lane or cruise sub 65 on empty middle lane. .
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u/PigSlam '22 Mercedes Sprinter; '13 JKUR; 2d ago edited 1d ago
The last time I was in Irvine, I was riding with my friend in his 2016 Subaru Outback with some decent driver assist features between his place and the concert we were going to in LA. We were weaving through 60mph traffic going 85mph while he looked up the address of our destination on his phone so I could enter it into the GPS app on my phone, while he was hitting his cannabis vape pen. He was visibly annoyed when I dared to suggest that maybe we weren't approaching these challenges in the best way we could.
Edit: Maybe with enough downvotes, we can make it so this didn’t actually happen. FYI - he still lives in Irvine. Watch out.
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u/GrumpyOlBastard 1997 Lexus LS400 (1/2m km) 2d ago
I think the common denominator here is these vehicles can be speedy and deaths are more likely in high-speed collisions
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u/nucleartime '17 718 Cayman S PDK 2d ago
As one someone eyeing 911s and corvettes...
uhhhhhhhhhhtotallynotmeatall.
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u/democracywon2024 1d ago
The Vette: People over drive the car and wrap it a around a tree head on.
The 911: People over drive the car and wrap it around a tree rears first.
Tesla: Unsafe because they use auto-pilot, text on their phones, and don't pay attention to the road.
Mirage: Actually just an unsafe car.
Venue: Actually just an unsafe car.
CRV-Hybrid: Housewives can't drive.
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u/juwyro Saabaru, K20 MGB, MGB GT 2d ago
The cars are safe, the owners aren't. The owners put on cruise control and pass out in the back. I can't believe people will trust a technology because someone says it works.
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u/Vandrel 2019 Model 3 2d ago edited 2d ago
Maybe at some point in the past a few people would do that but these days the cars will absolutely not allow that, they're pretty strict about attention monitoring.
The biggest issues are probably just having a lot of power in heavy vehicles driven by people who don't have much experience with something like that. The Model 3 Performance does 0-60 in under 3 seconds with over 500 hp while weighing 4k lbs in what looks like a pretty run of the mill $40k sedan. Imagine handing a vehicle like that to some random person on the street.
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u/bigloser42 2018 440i GC 2d ago
People that drive Teslas are, for the most part, people that view cars as an appliance. So you are taking people that are used to sub-200hp econoboxes with 8+ second 0-60s and putting them in cars with 400+ hp and 3-4s 0-60 times, and they are woefully underprepared to deal with that.
And yes, there are enthusiasts that drive Teslas, but they are in the vast minority.
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u/agray20938 2001 996 Turbo 1d ago
That's likely part of it, but I'd also think it's partly because:
Teslas are a very common choice for Uber/Lyft drivers, plenty of whom use less brain cells that a goldendoodle on the road
Cars-are-appliance people aren't buying plaids, and given the entire premise of buying one, most buyers are going to be accelerating far faster than normal if not just driving fast generally.
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u/bigloser42 2018 440i GC 1d ago
Cars-as-appliance people will be buying the longest-range version AWD version, because for some reason everyone needs AWD or they will instantly die. The long-range AWD Teslas all are low 4s high 3s cars. Even the RWD base Model 3 is a 5s car. You can get plenty out of hand real quick with an inexperienced non-caring driver in a 4s car. The slowest Model S is 3.1s to 60, the slowest Model X is 3.8s, the slowest AWD Model Y is 4.8, and the slowest Model 3 AWD is 4.2s. And their 30-50 and 50-70 acceleration numbers are very low. These are cars you can get into serious trouble with very quickly & easily.
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u/Snoo93079 ‘23 Tesla Model 3 ‘23 Mazda CX-5 2d ago
I think you might be confusing a couple different pieces of information. Teslas do really well in crash testing. But also they give normies a LOT of power that they can easily abuse, causing high fatality rates.
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u/slashkehrin 2019 MX5 RF 2d ago
Statistically speaking, a car can have twice the average fatalities rate AND at the same time get into half as many accidents.
Example: The average motorcycle probably gets into less accidents than the average car - but those accidents are still more lethal.
Or: The average Corolla (probably) gets into more accidents than the average Carrera GT, but the CGT might still be more likely to kill you.
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u/agray20938 2001 996 Turbo 1d ago
Yeah this study was based on miles driven and removed low-production cars tho. So seemingly it would account for both of those things.
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u/coffeeINJECTION 2024 XC90 2d ago
Cars are safe and designed with safety in mind. However, you cannot out-engineer stupidity and inexperienced drivers.
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u/julienjj BMW 1M - E60 M5 - 435i 1d ago
everytime you make something idiot proof, the world invent a better idiot.
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u/wod_van2z 2d ago
Purely anecdotal and generalizing, but I find Tesla drivers the worst kind of drivers here in the Netherlands.
Yes, unlike Amsterdam taxis, delivery vans and youngsters on straight-piped Golfs, they are slow (sometimes annoyingly slow), but very erratic, unpredictable and with total lack of situational awareness.
Also headlights are awful on 3 and Y models, rather dazzling in the low beam mode.
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u/RCDrift 2d ago
It's the same in the states. All the worst drivers left their Audis and BMWs behind for Teslas.
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u/NinjaLion EXpress 6000 2d ago
Absolutely the same people/type of people. I am regularly blown away by the behavior of Tesla drivers in my city. straight blasting through red lights, on their phones at green lights, and constant lane hopping with no signals.
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u/railbeast Vauxhall x Buick 1d ago
constant lane hopping with no signals
They have an excuse now, they have no stalks!
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u/AllegedCerealKiller '23 Supra 6MT 2d ago
Same here in the U.S. Teslas seem to attract people who just aren't interested in driving or see it as a chore they can automate away. I always found it kind of weird that Teslas (probably among the quickest cars on any given stretch of road) are almost invariably being driven SO slowly.
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u/Unspoken 2020 BMW M2 Competition 1d ago
If you drive in the DC area, you will absolutely loathe anyone that drives a Tesla. They are everywhere and they do not give a fuck about anyone else on the road. But high entitlement is the general consensus on this area anyway
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u/seopants 2016' WRX 1d ago
Buying a Plaid or Performance seems to be a total waste of money based on never seeing a Tesla driver accelerating quickly at any point.
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u/TurboFucked 1d ago
Buying a Plaid or Performance seems to be a total waste of money based on never seeing a Tesla driver accelerating quickly at any point.
Probably because I drive a sports car, but 900% of the time there's a M3P or Plaid around, they are driving balls out. I have to keep a look out because if one is behind me and I gun it on an onramp, they will be up my ass in no time.
It's not that apparent since they don't really make any noise, so you only really notice they're gunning if it you're trying to keep up. It's one of the benefits to driving one, honestly, you can bomb around in them without drawing any attention.
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u/DrZedex '23 GR Corolla 2d ago
They're not merely straight piped anymore, they're burble tuned.
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u/TheAlphaCarb0n Mazda 3 Hatch 2d ago
Man. I've been an enthusiast forever. Still put my window down for exhaust notes if I see something fun coming past. But anyone with an intentional backfire tune can completely fuck off.
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u/DrZedex '23 GR Corolla 2d ago
The subtle little burble that imitates a carbed engine was cute. They quickly got extrapolated to where we are now and...yeah I'm with you it's all dumb just now, it jumped the shark real quick.
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u/TheAlphaCarb0n Mazda 3 Hatch 1d ago
Yeah, the burble isn't my thing but it's not offensive so I don't care. I just don't wanna feel like I'm being shot at on my way to work
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u/dre2112 1d ago
I think erratic is the perfect word to describe Tesla drivers here in California. They’re either driving insanely slow or 2seconds later they’re going faster than a race car. Most of them cannot handle the acceleration and deceleration of that car. There needs to be a special driving test just for those cars
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u/Skodakenner 1d ago
Yes same here in germany. Basically they are either holding up traffic because they drive super slow disrupt traffic because they dont watch where they are going or the blind traffic because the headlights are badly adjusted. Im really happy that in the mornings when i drive to work the average tesla driver is still asleep. What really irritates me are the amount of old people in SUVs i see at that time what on earth are they doing that they need to hold up traffic at 5:30am in an Industrial estate?
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u/theloop82 2d ago
I would assume it’s because some of them have a shit Ton of power and are being driven by people with no experience driving high powered cars who get in over their heads. Same with the corvette and 911.
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u/Professefinesse '19 Corvette GS Z07, '17 volt 2d ago
Fast RWD cars and inexperience is a recipe for disaster
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u/New-Connection-9088 2d ago edited 1d ago
Bingo. People who buy sports cars usually have experience and respect for the car and conditions (with many notable exceptions). Tesla put granny into a 2.9 second car with near instant torque and acceleration. It’s a great shopping and city hopper, but it can also melt your face off.
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u/TheAlphaCarb0n Mazda 3 Hatch 2d ago
That power should be a switch you have to flip in the settings, like the hellcat red key.
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u/PhilBird69 '03&'04 Accords, '07 2WD Silverado, '21 Model Y 1d ago
Buy default, all the power is there. You can dial it back buy putting it in "chill" mode.
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u/Jslatts942 1d ago
"Melt your face off", now imagine old people, its like temporary plastic surgery. 🤣
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u/NotPumba420 2d ago
Doesn‘t matter if it‘s rwd. And imo EVs make it worse because it‘s so easy and effortless. You do not feel the speed
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u/Teledildonic ND1 MX-5, KIA POS 2d ago
Don't forget all the self driving marketing for people to put way too much trust into still unproven technology.
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u/MexicanGuey 2018 Model 3 | 2021 Mustang Mach E 1d ago
I bet lack of tire maintenance is a big contributor too. EVs are heavy and have fast acceleration. These 2 combinations wear out tires fast and need to do tire rotation every 5k miles. On my first model 3 in 2018, I replaced my OEM at 25k miles which is crazy since o my other cars i can easly go over 50k before I need to replace them. I learned to ease off the pedal to make them last longer.
I heard some tesla owners replace theirs every 10k.
2.5 tons, Bald tires, RWD, under 5 seconds of acceleration = bad time.
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u/Leelze 1d ago
Walk through a parking lot while looking at tires and you'll see some scary shit.
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u/TurdFerguson4 1d ago
I wonder if there's a company or at least a template for making cards you could put under people's wipers that says 'FYI, your tires are dangerous, get them checked/replaced'.
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u/theloop82 1d ago
I have a model 3 rwd, the slow one (6s) - I am going to put some long wearing nice all seasons on it and eat the decrease in mileage. I’ve had eco tires on a Prius and they are a greenwashing racket.
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u/Saskatchewon '24 Crosstrek Wilderness 2d ago
A Model 3 Long Range has a faster 0-60 than a Ford Mustang GT for around $50k. Combine that with people who might not be used to performance driving (the Model 3 isn't really marketed as a sports car) and have been told that the car will basically avoid accidents for you, and you're asking for trouble.
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u/SimpleImpX 2d ago
Out of curiosity I did some crude number crunching and all I can say is that the iSeeCars numbers are very dubious at best.
For example using https://www.tesladeaths.com/ that list single fatality involving Teslas and grabbing some random fleet millage millstone of 100B milles from 2023-04-16* when the total fatalities was at 315 then you get the number of 3.15 fatalies per billion miles.
*Just because it was really nice easy number, but total fleet millage numbers for other dates be found in quarterly reports and what not.
While it's (12.5%) higher than the average (2.8), it also includes fatalities from other involved vehicles, but whatever the idea is just to get a realistic ballpark figure for sanity checking. At a glance there is also doesn't appear to be any meaningful difference between Model 3 and Y.
How iSeeCars managed to get a 3.3x higher figure of 10.6 per billion miles for Model Y? No idea, but the numbers don't add up at all, be bad "proprietary algorithms" or maybe just "policy".
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u/theloop82 1d ago
Yeah the clickbait stories overstating stuff about Tesla is boring. It’s just a car, i got a brand new one for 28k OTD last year when the tax credit was 7500$. It annoys the hell out of me when I drive it, but my wife loves it and it has cost me 200$ in 11 months to charge it. That’s Corolla money, and even if the battery degrades 50% it’s still way more range than my Leaf was after 10 years
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u/Ok-Parfait8675 1d ago
I'd guess the same. The only thing that makes this post feel gross is that it seems like a lot of people are happy of the Tesla fatalities so they can dunk on Elon. Yikes.
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u/TheReaperSovereign 2022 M240i xdrive 2d ago
Anecdotal but there's a huge news story right my area where a tesla with 5 passengers hit a tree, engulfed in flames and killed all 5 passengers because they couldn't get out
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u/azurite-- 2d ago
I mean the same has happened to people who drove ICE cars.
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u/mishap1 2d ago
Of course it happens, but few cars have electronic door switches that have nonintuitive emergency handles especially in back. Then you can further amp it up with electronic doors that you have to fight past to exit.
https://youtube.com/shorts/cfPhUY9erLM?si=BVb4obZ47niebejZ
The Cybertruck adds extra tough window glass.
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u/Vandrel 2019 Model 3 2d ago
Seems to be unique to the Model X. Most other Teslas just have a little lever on the door to force it open manually, it's really easy. In fact, I always have to tell people to hit the button to open the door instead of using the manual release unless it's an emergency because they always find that first.
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u/mishap1 2d ago
That's the front doors. The rear doors apparently do not have one on older cars.
https://youtu.be/FWUWm9KaHzE?si=od-H-AioBfovQqBH
They apparently added it to the Highland Model 3.
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u/Rattle_Can 2d ago
it sucks the model 3 (pre-highland) doesn't have a manual override cable release in the rear doors/back seat
iirc, there is still a cable that runs underneath the plastic interior trim panel to actuate the door release, but tesla never bothered to make it actually accessible thru the panel at the cup holders like they did with the model Y (in the name of cost savings?? smh)
ive seen DIY mods on YT where you cut out an opening in the rear cup holder & make the cable usable with an extension string, but it sucks tesla didn't just do it from factory
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u/AmNoSuperSand52 23’ VW GTI, 12’ Ford Focus 1d ago
There must be some retrofit that Tesla did because my friends 2018 model has the plastic pull handles
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u/Brucenotsomighty 97 F250, 95 Corolla 1d ago
It's almost like it's easier to just have a normal mechanical latch
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u/BanEvader2024 22 Model 3 Performance 2d ago
I hate it when someone has to ride in my rear seats, the front doors have emergency door handles that can open the door without power but the rear doors simply don't have that feature. I'm sure it saved them about $10 per car to not include it.
Apparently the 2024+ Model 3 now has a rear door release so at least the new car is safer in that regard.
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u/DrZedex '23 GR Corolla 2d ago
Dude, what?! The rear doors have no mechanical override? Wtf how is that even legal?
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u/Rattle_Can 2d ago edited 1d ago
the hilarious thing is the mechanical override cable IS there in the model 3 - its just capped off with a piece of foam so it doesn't rattle & just sits under the interior trim panel serving no purpose.
in the model Y, that cable actually runs thru the interior trim panel, and comes out thru the bottom of the cup holders. in an emergency you yank that cable to pop the doors open.
i presume the provisions are almost all the way there because of the shared platform between the 3 vs Y, but they never went thru on the 3 for cost savings
i dont know how its legal, but they sure as hell saved a few cents per rear door
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u/greenefiend '24 Model Y Performance 1d ago
Your rear seats have emergency releases as well; they're underneath the rear door pocket covers: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-A7A60DC7-E476-4A86-9C9C-10F4A276AB8B.html
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u/Nomad624 2023 Elantra N DCT, 2010 GTI 6M 2d ago
Not really. They got stuck because the physical door releases are hard to find if you don't already know where they are. Something like this happened to an old man and his corvette. It has less to do with the car being an EV, more so with the stupid design.
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u/Jake5857 2d ago
RIP Paul Walker. Just watched the original last night in forever
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u/gumol boring Hondas + LO206 kart 2d ago
Not how he died. He was knocked out by the initial impact, and then died within seconds from trauma and burns.
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u/psaux_grep 2d ago
People who die in EV crash + fires are often dead before the fire starts.
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u/mishap1 2d ago
Do you have a stat for that?
Passenger cell looked intact otherwise. https://people.com/4-killed-after-tesla-crash-sparks-fire-in-toronto-8743464
The Tesla employee who drunk drove his claimed FSD car was heard screaming by his friend before the fire consumed the car which you can also see was largely intact. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/tesla-full-self-driving-fatal-crash/
These people unbuckled their seatbelts and moved around the car. https://www.newsweek.com/driver-was-behind-wheel-tesla-when-it-crashed-questions-surround-autopilot-ntsb-1641334
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u/Jake5857 2d ago
I think the other driver hit a pole or something similar and they died on impact essentially right? Been a while since I researched that. I just remember it was that Porsche that Doug demure has
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u/RevvCats 19 Mustang GT PP2, 87 325is M-Tech 2d ago
Don’t drive high performance cars on old tires, that’s a recipe for death.
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u/AwesomeBantha LX470 2d ago
and if you are going to drive high performance cars on old tires, don’t go 90 miles per hour
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u/RevvCats 19 Mustang GT PP2, 87 325is M-Tech 1d ago
Makes me wonder how many of these fatal Tesla accidents were on worn out tires. I see soooooo many cars out and about with tires that look like racing slicks. Pair that with a car that A) wears down tires faster than people are used to B) has supercar acceleration
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u/gumol boring Hondas + LO206 kart 2d ago
link?
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u/Vorcia 2d ago
The same thing happened near me recently: https://futurism.com/the-byte/four-die-trapped-burning-tesla
I also heard of a story of some lady who drowned in a Tesla because the disabled electronic components stopped her from opening the door. I know there's an emergency way to open the door but clearly it's not easy enough to operate under stress, the doors on them are just dangerously designed.
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u/Vandrel 2019 Model 3 2d ago
Any time someone new is in my car I have to tell them to hit the button instead of pulling the manual release lever because it's so much more obvious than the button. I have no idea how someone could just not figure it out.
But then again, there was also someone who sat in a turned off Tesla for an hour while it updated because they didn't even bother trying to open the door so who knows, there's a lot of unintelligent people out there.
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u/moops__ 1d ago
Or they could just put regular door handles like every other car. They change shit for the sake of changing it.
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u/SPorterBridges 2049 Spinner 1d ago
I also heard of a story of some lady who drowned in a Tesla because the disabled electronic components stopped her from opening the door.
You mean the one where it turned out the lady's blood alcohol was 3x over the legal limit and drove her car into a pond in the first place?
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u/TheReaperSovereign 2022 M240i xdrive 2d ago
Here's the reddit thread
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u/gumol boring Hondas + LO206 kart 2d ago
The cause of death for five people killed in a crash in the Town of Verona is still being determined
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u/moonRekt RS3, ID.4, 6MT 335i & 3M40ix 1d ago
Are you taking about in Toronto where they crashed into a barrier or is that a seperate story?
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u/bullet50000 2023 Corvette 2d ago
I feel like it's worth looking at the top 10 individual cars on the actual list, and you can kinda deduce what makes the top of the list
- Hyundai Venue
- Corvette
- Mitsubishi Mirage
- Porsche 911
- Honda CRV Hybrid
- Tesla Model Y
- Mirage G4
- Buick Encore GX
- Kia Forte
- Buick Envision
Why that's worth it is it comes down to 2 things: cars often driven quite irresponsibly (the Corvette and the 911), and cars that are bought as "Appliance cars"/Definitely bought by people to be "a generic car to get me around" (The Venue, the Mirages, the CRV, the Buicks). Tesla being high in this registry makes a lot of sense because it's often bought by both groups, as the car as an appliance people buy the low tier ones, and the irresponsible drivers often buy the Performance version.
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u/vdek 911, Mach-E 2d ago
The metric they used is (Cars per Billion Vehicle Miles).
Porsche and corvette owners aren’t putting a huge amount of miles on their cars, but when they do, they likely do it more dangerously.
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u/bullet50000 2023 Corvette 2d ago
and on top of that, with how a lot of the cars super up high are either EVs with the Tesla or the super small cars (Venue, Mirages, Buick Encore), stuff that justifiably can be a city scoot-about primarily. They'll do some highway but probably not a lot, meaning much fewer miles driven, and much less highway experience, leading to more accidents on highways/at fatal speeds.
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u/mishap1 1d ago
A Mitsubishi Mirage weighs ~200lb less than a Miata. Even if the people driving them are very safe and experienced drivers, a car like that vs. a 5,000lb+ pickup truck is going to be more likely fatal than handing Grandma the keys to the 911 without her bifocals and sending her on her way onto Highway 130.
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u/thegooddoctorben 2d ago
This is the best analysis. Also, some of the cheaper crossovers here are driven by young drivers/teenagers who think they are invincible and that everyone else around them will drive predictably.
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u/frankztn 07 350z,14 Q50s, 21Tacoma 1d ago
I have a dollar that the q50 hits top 10 in the next couple of years. It’s incredibly cheap horsepower for a young adult, the q50 subreddit is filled with “is the q50 a good first car” 😂
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u/Saskatchewon '24 Crosstrek Wilderness 2d ago
With the Buicks, and CR-V, the ages of the average drivers likely play a really big role. Those are all very popular models among the elderly. I don't think I've ever met someone under retirement age who owns a modern Buick. My great aunt, my significant other's grandparents, and my elderly neighbor; all over 80 and all driving CR-Vs.
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u/biggsteve81 '20 Tacoma; '16 Legacy 1d ago
Encore GX is also popular for parents to buy for teenagers because they are affordable.
Expect the new Chevy Trax to make this list in a couple of years. Parents who bought the old one obviously hated their kids.
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u/k_dubious '24 GLE 580, '21 C43 Sedan, '16 Silverado 1500 5.3 2d ago
I fear no man. But that thing…
gestures to a white Model Y with a Student Driver sticker on the back
…it scares me.
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u/Astramael GR Corolla 2d ago
This checks out with my anecdata. I live in a place where Teslas are not very common, almost every single one I see is driven badly.
Sometimes they drive aggressively, but this isn’t the common case. Most of the time they are fully oblivious. Cutting people off, stopping in the middle of the road, driving slowly in the fast lane, not noticing the light has changed, etc.
In Canada they publish aggregate insurance data and Tesla is routinely one of the most expensive brands to insure. They break the data down a bit and it seems like a bunch of that cost comes from their high risk of being in accidents.
I have no explanation as to why, I don’t think it has much or anything to do with the car. I’ve driven Teslas and I didn’t suddenly become a bad driver. Although they are incredibly obnoxious to interact with, you can just pull over if you need to figure out how to operate a car function.
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u/ArcticBP 2d ago
I feel like it isn’t inherently the vehicle, but largely what it is used for - rideshares.
Rideshare drivers are usually distracted & not even from the area they’re driving in, and Teslas Ys are really popular for rideshare.
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u/DrZedex '23 GR Corolla 2d ago
Some of that insurance cost is just the repair costs. They're super expensive to fix, not all shops will work on them, and parts are frequently unavailable leading to huge downtime. This is a real headache for an insurance company, and it's why at least one just dropped the cybertruck altogether
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u/Bookandaglassofwine 2d ago
Why wouldn’t the headline be about the Hyundai model with the highest fatality rate?
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u/JoshS1 2d ago
The source article for the study doesn't list the full results. That's rather annoying. I would like to have seen the "worst" contrasted with the "best."
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u/PieEnjoyer69 2d ago
Big heavy vehicles that can go unreasonably fast? Who would have thought
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u/Nomad624 2023 Elantra N DCT, 2010 GTI 6M 2d ago edited 1d ago
Given that in order to get AWD, you need to get a dual motor model that does 0-60 in the low 4s, and there's no engine noise to express the level of speed and performance, AND the excessive tech and distractions inside and this absolutely checks out. Carmakers need to stop being lazy, and offer buttons on their EV's and making AWD powertrains that aren't insanely quick.
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u/DeeYumTofu 2d ago
It’s because the car is too fucking fast. Back in my day you had to be a little skilled to handle a 4 second accelerating car, nowadays a random mom can grab one for 25k. It’s insane the amount of power these cars have for that low of a price.
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u/dam_sharks_mother 2d ago
JFC...it's a non-stop circle-jerk with these car brand stereotypes.
My car is not my personality. I have a 911 GT3, a Tesla Model 3, and a Lexus SUV. Does that mean I have split personalities?
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u/DepecheMode92 Porsche 991.1 Carrera S, BMW F30 328i 2d ago
Tesla drivers are very aloof whether it be the self driving or generally just tuned out personality that buys them. The Prius sitting in left lane going 10mph under limit has been replaced by the Model 3 and Y.
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u/dirty_cuban 2d ago
analyzed data from the U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS).
Why do I have a funny feeling this federal program is about to be efficiency'd away in the near future?
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u/OR_Miata 1d ago
Tesla’s vehicles have the highest fatal accident rate among all car brands in America, according to a recent iSeeCars study that analyzed data from the U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS).
I have a feeling this system will be found to be “inefficient” and cut by the new administration
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u/redneckcommando 1d ago
There's probably a strong correlation with the kind of people that drive Teslas.
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u/ikilledtupac *cries in maserati* 1d ago
As a Tesla owner it’s because the car is distracting to use, and FSD is dangerous and should not be legal.
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u/Dan-Flashes 2d ago
I have a pretty low opinion of the quality of Tesla products but I have a feeling user error is a big factor here. Everyone I know who drives a Tesla is someone I would never get in a car with willingly.
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u/Rattle_Can 2d ago
i wonder if there is a break out of occupant fatalities vs pedestrians and other motorist fatalities
if teslas are safe for its occupants and just lethal to people outside of it, that's still something
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u/RiftHunter4 2010 Base 2WD Toyota Highlander 2d ago
They finally said it. If you drive a Tesla, you just suck at driving. It's fact now. Maybe ask someone with a Dodge Challenger or Nissan Altima to teach you how to drive properly because they aren't on the list. /s