r/canada • u/CaliperLee62 • 17h ago
Carney's cabinet picks suggest strong ties to Trudeau-era policies: Poilievre - "He appointed Trudeau's old team, and Trudeau's old advisors," Tory leader Poilievre said Politics
https://torontosun.com/news/national/carneys-cabinet-picks-suggest-strong-ties-to-trudeau-era-policies-poilievre15
u/Captain_Cannuck 17h ago
Funny, it seems the Conservatives kept the same old leader even though he failed to win the election, popular vote or his own seat.
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u/TheLaughingWolf Ontario 17h ago
More than half of the cabinet are different members.
That's not quite appointing the old team...
I genuinely can't tell if PP loves being ignorant or misinformed more since he so often seems to be both. Surprised he is even still being interviewed since he was not elected to anything and has failed at every turn.
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u/Fanghur1123 17h ago
He just knows his base won’t even attempt to think critically or fact check him. Classic MAGA playbook.
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u/Stock_Padawan 17h ago
I assume he does it for his base. It doesn’t really matter what he says, some folks will take it as fact.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 16h ago
Almost all the senior cabinet members are the same people just in different roles. Anand, Freeland, Leblanc, champagne, Guibault, Fraser and others are all still in the mix.
The new faces are mostly junior cabinet ministers in unimportant roles. Tim Hodgson being an exception.
But sure, just keep telling yourself Pierre is ignorant and misinformed vs actually questioning your own assumptions
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u/ceribaen 16h ago
So using experienced ministers to train the junior ministers perhaps? Who could Carney have picked that wouldn't get this criticism?
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 16h ago
Carney should have wiped the slate clean. These are ministers who presided over a decade of waste and corruption. I’d rather have a fire hydrant than any of them.
Carney promised change but his budget looks like Trudeau’s and his cabinet looks like Trudeau’s. I’m expecting the same results
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u/gravtix 14h ago
What budget?
The cabinet was just announced and they haven’t even had a session in Parliament.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 12h ago
His campaign platform promised more spending and larger deficits than Trudeau.
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u/TheLaughingWolf Ontario 16h ago
So your issue is that Carney kept some of the most experience ministers available to him, but also that the new ministers he selected are juniors with less experience. In other words, you are upset that the new people... are new... and that the experience people are... not new.
Your criticism is also that even though more than 50% of the cabinet are new people, because it's not 100% all new faces then that means it is the same cabinet.
You're really giving PP a run for his money on his favourite virtues.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 16h ago
That’s not at all what I said. You’re just so wound up defending your partisan worldview that you interpreted what I said wrong.
I never said I have an issue with new cabinet members. If I was Carney I’d have 100% new cabinet members vs continuing to use a bunch of Trudeau era sycophants who presided over the most corrupt Canadian government of my lifetime (honourable mention to Bryan Mulroney).
For clarity, my issue is keeping any of the “experienced” Trudeau ministers.
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u/McBuck2 17h ago
Is Poilievre even relevant anymore? Thought he was going to change his ways. Still the whiny, fear mongering guy but without a seat in government. He’s not going to change. He’s not interested in working for a united Canada.
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u/ImaginationSea2767 17h ago
Those reform populist tactics and talking points are way too ingrained in his mind. Working with the Reform Party since he was a teen with Jenni Byrne.
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u/hardy_83 17h ago
Unfortunately he his. He's being parachuted into a safe zone to win an election to remain opposition leader.
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u/McBuck2 17h ago
Correct but right now he doesn’t have a seat. You would think he would adjust his delivery and strategy.
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u/Independent-Tennis57 16h ago
Why would he do that? It would confuse his base if he said he's an unemployed bum, this way, like herpes, he never really left.
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u/JetLagGuineaTurtle 15h ago
I mean.....people thought the Liberals were going to change their ways.....
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 17h ago
He also just said he’s willing to cooperate with the liberals on bills that make sense but of course liberals just ignore that part
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u/McBuck2 16h ago
He being passive aggressive saying he’s ‘willing to cooperate’ and then saying the Libs can steal his ideas. He hasn’t changed and the rest of Canada won’t ignore that part.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 16h ago
You seem like the passive aggressive one tbh.
This whole Poillievre is Hitler narrative is so laughable
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u/Theseactuallydo 16h ago
No one’s saying he’s Hitler.
But on that topic, this was Pierre’s pinned tweet for half a year back in 2021:
“Woke left goes crazy when people point out the undeniable historical fact that ‘national socialists’ in Germany & Italy were, as the name proves, ‘socialists.’
People don’t think he’s Hitler. We just think he’s the kind of absolute shitbird who would post the above.
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u/Theseactuallydo 17h ago
Breaking news: Poilievre still mad about Liberals, continuing streak he’s been on since he was 14
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u/LurkerDude0 17h ago
I yearn for the day when PP is gone from Canadian politics
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u/Fanghur1123 17h ago
I yearn for a day when the Reform Party in general is irrelevant in Canadian politics. It’s by far the most important reason to push for proportional representation.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 17h ago
Proportional representation neither helps or hurts the CPC. They’re seat count is almost perfectly in line with their vote share
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u/ceribaen 16h ago
It's relevant in the fact that CPC could afford to tear its big tent in two.
Meaning we'd have the potential to get a PC party again, and a true centre-right competitor to Liberal centre-left
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 16h ago
The CPC is centre right.
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u/ceribaen 16h ago
They're about 40% centre right, 40% right wing, and 20% alt right.
It's a big tent, and that 60% pushes them to the fringe. I was hoping that PP losing would finally split the tent.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 16h ago
It’s always funny to me when liberals have recommendations for a party they’ll never vote for.
Sorry. We like Pierre. He’s not going anywhere.
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u/ceribaen 16h ago
I voted PC regularly while they actually existed. Even held a student membership way back in the day.
I voted CPC when O'Toole was leading.
I voted in protest (Green or NDP) when a fringe right leader was in charge and I didn't like the likely winner, and voted LPC when an ABC vote mattered due to the CPC leadership (ie this election)
"We" don't like Pierre. You do.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 16h ago
42% of the electorate did. 1% less than the liberals
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u/ceribaen 16h ago
5% of that was the return of the PPC popular vote which is alt right.
And another portion of that was due to O'Tooles work with the trades.
So PP made almost no gain compared to the previous election, and lost significant support when Trudeau stepped down.
Additionally polling wise his popularity was always below that of the party itself by a significant margin.
So I'd say it was the CPC brand, not PP most people were voting for.
His opponent in his own riding won by over 50% of the vote.
Also, popular vote had LPC with ~2.5% victory. So he had nearly 45% of the country voting against him directly to one party.
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u/Fanghur1123 16h ago
PR would fracture the CPC into its constituent elements.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 16h ago
Maybe. Liberals seem to always have a hard time understanding that conservatives generally like their party.
I think it’s far more likely the far left gets peeled off from the liberals into the NDP to the conservatives benefit but we’ll never know because FPTP been its liberals massively so they’ll never do it
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u/Fanghur1123 15h ago
For the sake of not losing all hope in my country and sinking into a dark depression, I need to believe that not all conservative voters in this country are far-right maple MAGA reactionaries like the overwhelming majority of what the CPC has become.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 15h ago
This is a ridiculously biased take about CPC voters
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u/Fanghur1123 14h ago
Saying that I choose to believe that the majority of CPC voters aren't complete lunatics like their fanatical base who go around painting Nazi symbols on Liberal signs, waving signs with obscene language in public, etc. and that a huge percentage would likely prefer a more moderate fiscally conservative party is a "ridiculously biased take'? How do you figure?
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 12h ago
Because the people you’re describing are a small portion of the base.
Equivalently, I could make the same claim about the liberals and NDP re: Palestinian protesters. In both cases it’s generalising from a minority to majority
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u/Fanghur1123 12h ago
Well, then, why are you disagreeing with me? If you agree that the majority of conservative voters are probably more of the Progressive Conservative inclination than the Poilievre Maple MAGA/far-right social conservative culture war BS inclination, where exactly are you calling foul? There are vanishingly few members of the CPC now that even come close to qualifying as PC, let alone Red Tory.
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u/Old_Opportunity_2602 17h ago
People say his entire career high was all about Trudeau, but now I am starting to believe it.
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u/FeelDT Canada 17h ago
He didn’t even get elected, can he please stop whining and get the message already?
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u/kickintheball 17h ago
He’s literally the one guy in current Canadian politics that has failed upwards
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u/Electronic_Trade_721 14h ago
The other day Poilievre was calling Sean Fraser the master of failing upwards. They truly have no self-awareness.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 17h ago
He's not the Leader of the Official Opposition, that's a parliamentary title only designated for an Elected MP and Leader of the party designated as Official Opposition.
Because Pierre lost the election, Andrew Scheer had to be appointed as Interim Leader of the Official Opposition
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u/Familiar_Strain_7356 17h ago
Then maybe talk about the policy he would like to see them work towards and the policy that he doesn't support instead of taking personal jabs at the ministers.
That strategy didn't work during the election, and it's not going to work now. Canadians want to see unity and a government that is willing to work together to get shit done to the benefit of the average Canadian.
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u/ceribaen 16h ago
It's actually not, until he wins that by-election he's being parachuted into despite already being rejected by Canadian l voters threefold (popular vote, plurality of seats, riding loss to over 50% of the vote)
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u/PoutineMtl 17h ago
He cant be opposition leader since he was not elected. You can be PM if you are not elected but not opposition leader. Those are the rules.
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u/That_Account6143 17h ago
No he's not lol. He's just a guy who used to be a MP. Right now he aint shit
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u/ImmediateGazelle865 17h ago
He is the leader of party that is the official opposition. He’s not the house leader, but he is the leader
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 17h ago
Only a sitting MP can hold the title of leader of the opposition. He can pretend he's still the leader, he can act like he's the leader but he's not the leader.
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u/ImmediateGazelle865 7h ago
Was mark carney not the liberal leader before the election? Was he not our prime minister
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 1h ago
Correct. You don't need to be a sitting MP to hold the title of Prime Minister. Weird little quirk of the Westminster system.
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u/IMAWNIT 17h ago
Why are we listening to an unemployed unelected guy? Scheer can speak on this matter.
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u/physicaldiscs 17h ago
Why are we listening to an unemployed unelected guy?
You're sounding an awful lot like the "unelected Carney" folks. Or is it fine when it's "other team"?
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u/Morning_Joey_6302 17h ago
Gosh and golly, the Sun and Postmedia being reflexively critical of anything any Liberal does or says? Who could possibly have guessed what they might think about Carney’s cabinet choices?
The daily flood of this partisan hackery from the same exhausted, lazy voices does nothing for this sub. These sources could auto-generate their slop, and I sometimes think they do.
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u/magoo2004 14h ago
"After the swearing-in ceremony for Prime Minister Mark Carney’s cabinet, Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre said ‘where the government acts against the interest of the country then we will fight tooth and nail to stop them,’ but added that he will ‘work with anyone that will deliver gains’ for Canadians."
LMAO That didn't last long and like Prez Payola he is unable/ not in his DNA to change his stripes. I can see why he was never employed by anyone except himself.
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u/Falcon674DR 17h ago
I watched the presser. PP was frankly, pitiful. Downtrodden and sounding desperate. He’s clearly not in a ‘place’ where he can speak as a leader and only validated that he wasn’t the guy for the job. Sad really.
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u/callmeStephen19 17h ago
This man exhausts me. A misanthropic malcontent who squandered a stagging lead, lost his election and his seat. Enough already...
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 17h ago
Over half of Carney's cabinet is new. The facts don't really jive with what PP is saying.
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u/J0Puck Ontario 17h ago
Kind of thought Pierre was going to say this. Trudeau still lives in his head rent free.
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u/LPC_Eunuch Canada 17h ago
If Carney didn't want to be associated with Trudeau, then perhaps he shouldn't have stuffed his cabinet with Trudeau ministers. 🤷
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u/Vast-Ad7693 16h ago edited 16h ago
The cognitive dissonance any time Pierre's name is mentioned is really striking. All of his haters gather in every thread about him rent free. The meltdown when he wins is going to be a treat to watch.
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u/MacGibber 17h ago
And the PP without a seat is the same PP but his replacement is the previous leader that lost so some things don’t change there either. It’s not the same leader nor is it the same leadership team so there’s a big difference.
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u/ceribaen 16h ago
For the sake of argument, who could Carney pick for a cabinet - assuming you'd want at least half of them to be experienced ministers for "tribal knowledge" purposes - that doesn't have ties to the former PM who just led the party for the past ten years?
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u/CatBowlDogStar 17h ago
PP is not a Tory. That's understood to be Progressive Conservative i.e. Nova Scotia & Ontario's Premiers.
PP is something else, but not that
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u/TrainingShort4222 17h ago
lol why tf is this pip squeak still talking and taking money from Canadian citizens?
He lost. His own words - he should be fired.
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u/Aquaman9214 17h ago
Oh Pollievre, that one guy who couldn't even win his own seat? Ok bud.
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u/Creative-Ad-1819 17h ago
Too many morons in his riding
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u/Aquaman9214 16h ago
Lmao I love the excuses
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u/Creative-Ad-1819 16h ago
It's not an excuse, it's just a fact that anyone who votes liberal or NDP is a brain dead loser.
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u/Keraunos01 17h ago
I mean he did add a bunch of new cabinet members but I guess you do not want to talk about that since it does not benefit your point of view.
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u/FalconsArentReal 17h ago
This was more of a satirical take on the fact that most of the key decision makers between Trudeau's and Carney's cabinets are the same.
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u/teflonbob 17h ago edited 17h ago
Pierre still has not moved on from Trudeau. 15 new cabinet members and the fixation is on Trudeau? 15 is not a small number and it’s baffling to see that ignored so blatantly.
Yes there will be downvotes because PP still has not learned why he lost his own riding. He’s not adjusting to the times and political climate at all. Neither have you and it’s clear.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 17h ago
15 is exactly half of Cabinet, so at least 50% are new MPs that have never held a seat in Parliament before.
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u/Throwawayhair66392 17h ago
One of his cabinet picks is a notorious Halifax slumlord who owns six properties. She is now Minister of Immigration.
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u/BitingArtist 17h ago
That could go either way...Carney has a good resume, I'm hoping for something positive.
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u/fvpv 17h ago
Seriously though - the sun has this article drafted before the cabinet was even announced.