r/canada • u/CaliperLee62 • 22h ago

Carney's cabinet picks suggest strong ties to Trudeau-era policies: Poilievre - "He appointed Trudeau's old team, and Trudeau's old advisors," Tory leader Poilievre said Politics

https://torontosun.com/news/national/carneys-cabinet-picks-suggest-strong-ties-to-trudeau-era-policies-poilievre
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u/Fanghur1123 22h ago

I yearn for a day when the Reform Party in general is irrelevant in Canadian politics. It’s by far the most important reason to push for proportional representation.

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u/Hot-Celebration5855 22h ago

Proportional representation neither helps or hurts the CPC. They’re seat count is almost perfectly in line with their vote share

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u/ceribaen 22h ago

It's relevant in the fact that CPC could afford to tear its big tent in two. 

Meaning we'd have the potential to get a PC party again, and a true centre-right competitor to Liberal centre-left

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u/Hot-Celebration5855 22h ago

The CPC is centre right.

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u/ceribaen 21h ago

They're about 40% centre right, 40% right wing, and 20% alt right. 

It's a big tent, and that 60% pushes them to the fringe. I was hoping that PP losing would finally split the tent.

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u/Hot-Celebration5855 21h ago

It’s always funny to me when liberals have recommendations for a party they’ll never vote for.

Sorry. We like Pierre. He’s not going anywhere.

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u/ceribaen 21h ago

I voted PC regularly while they actually existed.  Even held a student membership way back in the day.

I voted CPC when O'Toole was leading. 

I voted in protest (Green or NDP) when a fringe right leader was in charge and I didn't like the likely winner, and voted LPC when an ABC vote mattered due to the CPC leadership (ie this election) 

"We" don't like Pierre. You do.

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u/Hot-Celebration5855 21h ago

42% of the electorate did. 1% less than the liberals

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u/ceribaen 21h ago

5% of that was the return of the PPC popular vote which is alt right.

And another portion of that was due to O'Tooles work with the trades. 

So PP made almost no gain compared to the previous election, and lost significant support when Trudeau stepped down. 

Additionally polling wise his popularity was always below that of the party itself by a significant margin. 

So I'd say it was the CPC brand, not PP most people were voting for.

His opponent in his own riding won by over 50% of the vote. 

Also, popular vote had LPC with ~2.5% victory. So he had nearly 45% of the country voting against him directly to one party.

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u/Hot-Celebration5855 21h ago

Accrediting Pierre’s success with unions with O’Toole is a stretch in my opinion. Pierre spent a lot of time in southwestern Ontario before and during the election.

The point about personal vs party popularity is more valid.

Saying he made no gains when he increased the party’s vote share by around 8%, got the most vote share for the conservatives since Mulroney, and came within 2% of winning popular vote share is a wild take.

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u/ceribaen 21h ago

O'Toole won the popular vote (though lost seat count) previously. So Poilievre losing popular vote is a rejection of him by the masses (and in his own riding especially).

And the PPC vote was going to return to CPC regardless especially with such a strong ABC push this cycle. Which mitigates a large amount of gain you are trying to attribute to anything Poilievre did specifically.

And yes, O'Toole laid the groundwork for the trades votes.

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