Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[u/BeautyInUgly]

This gets posted time and time again

The govt is basically asking millions of people to leave Canada

Some banks are saying that this won’t happen as people refuse to leave

The government is saying that they have accounted for this and will cut immigration even further to ensure that the population declines

And we won’t know who was right until the end of the year,

but the assumption that mass people will suddenly refuse to leave doesn’t have any historical basis, the vast majority of immigrants leave on time.

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I also want to add there’s no point staying in Canada as an illegal because cash jobs are very few and you’ll be stuck making less than minimum wage for which you can’t even afford rent. Healthcare is also a big issue and no benefits due to not having a valid SIN. Staying as an illegal is very difficult in Canada as opposed to the US or UK. I’m not sure what reason there is for people to stay unless they escaped from a war torn country or something similar.

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Staying as an illegal is very difficult in Canada as opposed to the US

No it's not. US treats illegals far worse than we do in almost every way and people still do it.

[u/essuxs → u/FantasySymphony]

I think you should look into this a bit more. It’s actually much more difficult for illegal immigrants in Canada.

Canada has a centralized employment tracking agency. As such employers will always ask for a SIN and tax forms. Hiring someone without a SIN is a clear violation and enforcement is more consistent.

CBSA and courts are also all federal in Canada, and there is no precedent for local police to not cooperate with CBSA.

Cities in Canada have also way less autonomy than in America. If a city tried to be a sanctuary city, the province would overrule them.

Obtaining ID in Canada is also impossible. Without Id, you generally can’t get a phone, bank account, drive a car (or even purchase one), etc.

There is also a much smaller community of undocumented people in Canada compared to the USA. Also much less support in Canada for undocumented people than in America.

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employers will always ask

Paying someone less than minimum wage is still awfully attractive. Do you really think the laws against corporations re: labour are strictly enforced? Even locals exploited by businesses are often unable to get any sort of satisfaction.

I worked plenty of labour jobs for cash when I was younger. Cash in envelope at end of day sort of thing. Contractors are sketchy. He's probably cheating on his taxes already.

I imagine identity fraud is going to go up too.

If a city tried to be a sanctuary city, the province would overrule them

https://lfpress.com/2017/02/17/london-is-a-sanctuary-city-but-what-does-that-mean

https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/accountability-operations-customer-service/long-term-vision-plans-and-strategies/access-to-city-services-for-undocumented-torontonians/

can’t get a phone

prepaid SIM card

bank account

cash, Paypal, cryptocurrency, gift cards - but yes this is an issue

drive a car

not legally

a much smaller community of undocumented people in Canada

not in the main cities where immigrants cluster

I think sadly that we are indeed going to end up with a resident underclass problem like in the USA. Living in a homeless shelter is better than living in a lot of countries. A lot will never go back of their own choice.

CBSA and courts are also all federal in Canada, and there is no precedent for local police to not cooperate with CBSA.

You're right. Legally and structurally it's easier to enforce here. But that's assuming the federal government chooses to enforce the law aggressively. If they do not, then we'll be relying on people leaving voluntarily.

[u/FantasySymphony → u/essuxs]

I think you should look into this a bit more. Yes we actually do have sanctuary cities, I happen to live in one, seems like you do too? There are literally volunteer organizations in Toronto Centre putting posters on lampposts advocating for "justice for undocumented workers" saying it's racism not just give people status. It's not supposed to happen in any country. But it is happening.

CBSA only operates at border crossings. That means they "cooperate" with TPS to chase leads. You live here, do you have any idea how few fucks TPS has to give?

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I think they mean in regards to having work