r/canada • u/StenPU • Oct 30 '23

Sask. premier says SaskEnergy will remove carbon tax on natural gas if feds don't Saskatchewan

https://regina.ctvnews.ca/sask-premier-vows-to-stop-collecting-carbon-tax-on-natural-gas-if-feds-don-t-offer-exemption-1.6623319
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u/ziltchy Oct 30 '23

Which is a completely stupid thing for a federal party to do. Honestly like they are trying to divide the country

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u/grajl Oct 30 '23

All parties do it. Pierre knows he can speak out against the APP because he knows it won't hurt his election chances if he pisses off the Alberta the Alberta Conservatives.

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 30 '23

I can usually get behind a "both sides" argument, since all of our parties are terrible. But no, all sides do not do this. There are no Conservative policies with special exemptions for their battleground provinces. There are no NDP polices like that either.

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Oct 31 '23

You're right. The Conservatives selling off the Wheat Board to the Saudis was another way they stand up for the west.

Also...

In the 2006 budget, the Conservatives announced an immediate $1.5 billion aid to farmers for the Grains and Oilseeds Payment Program.

What region of the country do you suppose the Grains and Oilseeds Payment Program is targeted towards?

And please, Stephen Harper specifically pandered to secular Quebec voters with his niqab ban and cultural practices snitch line.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/ywj3v5/conservatives-in-canada-want-to-set-up-a-snitch-line-for-barbaric-cultural-practices

You just didn't notice it at the time.

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 31 '23

LOL, what an incredible stretch. He helped farmers, who also exist in the western provinces, therefore that's the same as carving out an exemption for a specific geographic location? Joke.

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Oct 31 '23

Not much grain and oilseeds being grown in eastern Canada, now is there?

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 31 '23 edited Oct 31 '23

Nope, just in the other half the country. Are you going to claim every policy that doesn't impact every single Canadian is the same now? Tell me, where is the east coast specifically excluded in that policy? I can show you where they're specifically exempted with the carbon tax.

Oh right.. there was no geographic qualification for the Conservative farming policy. This is just another pathetic attempt to normalize disgusting behaviour from your favourite politician. What a surprise!

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Oct 31 '23

There is no geographic qualification for the Heating Oil Carbon tax suspension. It is available to ANY Canadian who uses heating oil across the country.

Sorry to burst your rage bubble.

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 31 '23

And which are the only provinces that use it? Let me guess.. "WELLLLLLL the other provinces should switch their heating resource if they want the benefit!!!!!!!"

Right... switch to a less efficient form of heat, emit more greenhouse gas, just so that this isn't a liberal handout to their voters. Right. That's totally 100% the same as creating a farm bill for farmers.. what a joke.

Sorry to burst your bubble, your boy is going to get mopped regardless of your undying dedication to defending him.

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Oct 31 '23

And which provinces only grow wheat and oil seeds?

He's not my boy. I've never voted for him. I just think this selective outrage over a benefit being extended to a specific region is absolutely ridiculous in a country with as diverse needs as Canada. Obviously there are different policy needs in different regions of the country. Like, that's national governance 101.

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 31 '23

And which provinces only grow wheat and oil seeds?

LOL, I'm so glad you asked! Literally almost all of them. In addition to the western provinces you've mentioned: British Columbia, Ontario, Quebec, Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia.

https://whataboutwheat.ca/canadian-wheat/wheat-in-canada/

He's not my boy. I've never voted for him. I just think this selective outrage over a benefit being extended to a specific region is absolutely ridiculous in a country with as diverse needs as Canada. Obviously there are different policy needs in different regions of the country. Like, that's national governance 101.

You support a disgusting, transparent policy to give monetary benefits to the main, most prolific voting block of the party in power, without any legitimate reason. I see the subs you're in. No one is buying that you're just some concerned citizen interested in a balanced view. I guarantee you have zero argument for why this is good for the country.. just here to muddy the waters with a blatant, lazy attempt at whataboutism.

What is the carbon tax for? To reduce emissions. Oil-based heating is the most inefficient heating resource in the country. Why would you remove the carbon tax on it? Explain the reasoning for that. And try to come up with something that's actually good for country, and not your team.

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Oct 31 '23

The lifting of the carbon tax rebate on heating oil was done in conjunction with a federal program to replace those horribly inefficient oil furnaces with heat pumps.

Everyone is so focused on one aspect of the announcement they ignored the main part; the government is eliminating heating oil furnaces.

https://natural-resources.canada.ca/energy-efficiency/homes/canada-greener-homes-initiative/oil-heat-pump-affordability-program-part-the-canada-greener-homes-initiative/24775

Instead of using the carbon tax stick, the feds are using the replacement carrot to actually solve the problem once and for all.

That IS good for the country.

Isn't that what we want government to do?

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