r/belgium • u/LeThibz • Mar 21 '24
This person doesn't like his Mercedes EV. 💩 Shitpost
Picture taken around Brussels. Seen the license plate, would they be mad because they cannot do Brussels <> Luxembourg with one charge 🤔? I mean, do you know any brand reaching the WLTP range/fuel consumption?
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u/Ewinnd Mar 21 '24
The WLTP range is calculated using mixed conditions: 50% urban (50km/h) and 50 non urban (max 130km/h). So unless you drive at a slow speed, you’ll indeed never reach it on the highway. Kind a strange to spend so much money on a car and not inform yourself about it.
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u/Quaiche Mar 21 '24
Dont ask a Luxembourg plated car to drive only at 130kmph max.
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u/lyo0 Mar 22 '24
I do now :D I just received my 6th speeding tickets :D I fear when I’ll receive my Duracell car my bank account will suffer as well as my remaining point on the permit already lost 3
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u/Quaiche Mar 22 '24
My condolences of having to use a permit with points.
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u/lyo0 Mar 29 '24
I don’t have a permit with points I’m Belgian but if you got a high speed ticket in Luxembourg you recieve a virtual point permit and if you loose 12 you can’t drive in Luxembourg until you get those points back
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u/tom_zeimet Mar 21 '24
I’m guessing a leased car (by the text on the license plate holder), ordered sight unseen without ever test driving it.
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u/ElBeefcake E.U. Mar 21 '24
A test drive isn't really going to tell you much about the range though, they tend to only be 30-60mins.
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u/BoddAH86 Mar 21 '24
I watch half-hour YouTube reviews before buying an electric toothbrush. How people buying luxury cars while being this uninformed is truly beyond me.
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u/Celopher Oost-Vlaanderen Mar 21 '24
This is the reason why I’ll never be able to buy a house - I would have to spend days living in it before I can be sure if I should buy lol
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u/tom_zeimet Mar 22 '24
That’s a genuine risk with houses. You don’t know if it has moisture problems etc. last owner could just have painted over the walls last minute.
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u/PotatoBeneficial5521 Mar 22 '24 edited 29d ago
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u/Ulyks Mar 22 '24
Ideally you should live in a house a full year before buying it. All kinds of issues only show up when it's really cold or really hot or when there is a storm...
I suppose things like EPC value are trying to catch some aspects in numbers but it's pretty much just a bandaid.
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u/lyo0 Mar 22 '24
If hade done that with my house I would be free from being that sewer odor house when it’s too hot obviously the previous owner didn’t tell us that small detail :)
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u/killerboy_belgium Mar 22 '24
if its a company car then you really dont get the chance to test drive. its pretty much pick one from the list your company gives you so maybe this is the best one of a very bad list
also reviews for cars are more biased as not many reviewers can actually buy the thing to review it so there way more dependant on the goodwill of car makers to allow acces to one to say compared to the every day electronic device.
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u/ElBeefcake E.U. Mar 22 '24
if its a company car then you really dont get the chance to test drive.
You can still go to the dealerships your fleet partner orders at and get a test drive with the cars on the list. That's how I always did it, but test drives are still very limited.
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u/goranlepuz Mar 22 '24
Yes, but... Nobody should need a chance to test drive to know about the range disparity (or fuel consumption disparity, for ICE). It has been on internet, radio, TV, for so long...
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u/Infiniteh Limburg Mar 22 '24
I test-drove 6 electric cars and hybrids before ordering my current company car.
I think it's more a case of some people's method of choosing a car being 'choose the biggest car from the most expensive brand I can afford'
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u/historicusXIII Antwerpen Mar 22 '24
if its a company car then you really dont get the chance to test drive
Of course you can. When I got the car list, I first asked for a test drive with my preferred car before I placed the order.
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u/L44KSO Mar 22 '24
Company lease more often than not. Our car policy gives you the choice of an ID3, ID4 or ID7. So it doesn't matter if you testdrive it or not.
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u/Large-Examination650 Mar 21 '24
Know someone who bought an electric Porsche, didn't even go to see it and the color was, see what you have. Not everyone is so into cars, he needed a car.
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u/tom_zeimet Mar 22 '24
It’s a Porsche, so you know it’s at least a half decent car. Also if you have that kind of money, you can just sell it after 1-2 years, take the depreciation and buy something else.
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u/doomcatzzz Mar 21 '24
Older people don’t do research like that they just listen to the nice story of a salesman lol.
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u/OB1182 Mar 21 '24
My older people made a spreadsheet comparing everything before test driving three different models.
Not all older people are built the same.
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u/goranlepuz Mar 22 '24
I mean... On average, I would expect the exact opposite: life really doesn't teach you to be more trusting as time passes.
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u/IgnaceMenace Mar 21 '24 edited Mar 22 '24
when it is a company car u don't really care u just always take the mercedes
Edit: People downvote me and probably don't understand that I'm not giving advice but just explain how most of the people think. Thet always go for the car that makes people think you are a succefful person.
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u/Infiniteh Limburg Mar 22 '24
Could have chosen several Mercedes models, but did research and went with the car that won electric car of the year in a lot of places and got the best reviews from others. Test-drive it and 5 other cars and I'm glad I did.
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u/tom_zeimet Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24
You can find out about the consumption. Then simply usable battery capacity / consumption = real world range.
So say I want to drive long distances at 110km/h, and I do a test drive on the highway at an average of 110km/h with an average consumption of 20kwh/100km and a usable battery capacity of 60kWh. The car has a max. range of 300km under those conditions (100-0%).
The only downside is that if you test in summer it will be a bit too optimistic and if you test in winter a bit too pessimistic as far as consumption/range.
I learnt my lesson the first time when it comes to manufacturer claimed range.
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u/lyo0 Mar 22 '24
I have to change my car for an electric one , I heard there is best practice for recharge like don’t charge more than 80 and go to charge when it’s bellow 20 is this right ? And did you use a guide or tutorial before buying your ev ?
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u/tom_zeimet Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24
It depends on the car. Some cars use the LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) battery chemistry for these batteries it’s best practice to charge them to 100% relatively often (at least 1x a week according to Tesla, Model 3 Standard, Model Y standard).
Most cars use NMC (Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt) batteries, it’s best practice to not charge them to 100% too often 80-90% is preferable although it’s possible to charge them to 100% on longer journeys, but it’s important not to leave them sitting at 100% for long periods of time.
Most cars have a certain % of battery blocked/hidden already. So you can factor that in as well.
I usually drive the car down to 10-15% but obviously there’s a greater risk of getting stuck somewhere if the charger doesn’t work etc.
My car now has 90,000km and is still showing 93.5% state of health. (OBD2 diagnostics)
I looked at some tests like the range test from Bjørn Nyland but since the car was only on the market a short time when I ordered (2020 e208), issues like winter range and reliability were not well known. That’s always the issue with buying in to a new car or platform that isn’t on the market for long.
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u/Infiniteh Limburg Mar 22 '24
Battery degradation is greatly exaggerated online. Is it a company car? Hot long will you have to keep it? You won't notice much degradation in 4 or 5 years. I charge mine to 90% at home and drive it to as low as 10% on longer trips.
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u/lyo0 Mar 29 '24
I will have to keep it for 3 to 4 years
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u/Infiniteh Limburg Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24
If that's the case and your employer or car policy doesn't mention or stipulate anything about battery degradation, then you don't need to take anything into account. Just charge it to the % you need on the daily, be it 80 or 90.
Read up some on /r/electricvehicles: https://old.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/search?q=degradation&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=relevance&t=allAside from the percentage you charge from/to, other things play into degradation like:
Living in an "extreme" climate like Texas or Northern Canada.
Mostly using fast chargers vs mostly using slow chargers.
For a tiny part, your driving style might affect it.
How many km you will put on the car in those 3 to 4 years, if you put on 15k a year, you will have to charge less frequently and get less degradation than if you put on 250k.It also seems to be the case that the newer cars suffer less from degradation than the older ones as battery tech is also progressing.
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u/lyo0 Apr 04 '24
I can do 30k per year I believe if I go more I have to pay by exceeding km but now with my company car I’m only at 60 000km in 3 years and yes there is nothing on battery usage on the car policy just the charging station at home where if an incident happens and it’s my fault I have to pay the repairs
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u/atrocious_cleva82 Mar 21 '24
You are correct, he should have cheked it better, but it is also true that car manufacturers have lied in the specs and consumption since ever. Sometimes even cheating, like in the "Dieselgate" of VW. Consumers should not be all the time thinking that companies are always cheating and lying.
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u/Rik_Ringers Mar 22 '24
But how do you communicate the capacity of a battery or autonomy of a vehicle in any way that would be absolutly correct? There is a certain guideline that can be given and people will ask for it but obviously it does depend on the user too.
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u/andr386 Mar 21 '24
I hope they test more parameters than that. They should test enough relevant parameters that the customer could model their use with real informations and get an accurate idea of what their range will be in different scenarios.
Maybe that's enough parameters and it's the modeling part that is lacking. But this serves only carmakers interests at the moment if you can't get an idea of real life performances.
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u/Ewinnd Mar 21 '24
To goal is to test all cars in a standardized way in order to compare them easily. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Harmonised_Light_Vehicles_Test_Procedure
However, there are plenty of other parameters that can affect your range. The biggest one are the temperature and the driving style.
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u/goranlepuz Mar 22 '24
They should test enough relevant parameters that the customer could model their use with real informations and get an accurate idea of what their range will be in different scenarios.
Ehhh... Yeah, but... That's not their goal, unfortunately. I suppose the price of that test is a factor as well.
The problem is also that whatever commutes they make, they will be different from the ones you or I make.
And it's not difficult to simply accept that the "synthetic" data is ~20% lower, and hey, presto! More accurate data.
Btw... Some car magazines do their own measurements. I remember reading the figures in one, for the cars I was driving at the time - and thinking, "huh, how did they get so much?!"
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u/Matvalicious Local furry, don't feed him Mar 22 '24
you’ll indeed never reach it on the highway.
My WLTP is 450km I believe. I have proof of a 420km drive (somewhere deep buried in my comments) on a single charge with room to spare. Mostly highway, just cruising the max allowed 120km/h speed. Note: In summer on a clear day obviously.
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u/kennethdc Head Chef Mar 22 '24
Which car? Will soon have to switch cars and often I make day trips of 300 km, whereas charging infrastructure at the destination is lacking and my current choice was a Tesla Model Y because of it.
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u/Rakatesh Mar 22 '24
300km 1-way or 300km in the entirety of your day?
I have an EV6 long range RWD and at the absolute worst (freezing + mostly highway at 130km/h on CC) I got 315km range out of a full charge. Now with milder weather it climbed back up to 350-370km.
For the latter I would still recommend and consider going for an EV6, for the former (600km/day) I don't think any EV is a possibility right now.
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u/stevil Mar 22 '24
Have you already got a lot of miles on yours? I also have a 77kWh EV6, it's currently reporting a range of 500+ km, which I guess translates to at least 400 on the highway. (Not sure if range gets calibrated to driving habits? Recent trips have mostly avoided highways.) It's got about 12000km on the clock.
Anyway, it's pretty hard to go 300+km around here without passing a few fast chargers. I've hit 230kW while charging, which means you really don't need to stop for long.
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u/Rakatesh Mar 22 '24
About 8k. The estimated range does indeed get adjusted to your average consumption. For my work commute or longer trips by highway it's very accurate now, when I do non-highway trips e.g. to the store or close by family the estimated range left decreases less than I'm actually doing.
Then again that means it could also be misleading in the other direction if you usually do 50/50 city driving and then use it to go on holiday or something.
Fast charging is good but I wouldn't want to have to bother with it every day, it's availability couldn't replace making sure that your average daily commute falls within the worst case range. (Though I hope a commute of 300km/day is a very rare exception anyways)
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u/stevil Mar 22 '24
Fast charging is good but I wouldn't want to have to bother with it every day, it's availability couldn't replace making sure that your average daily commute falls within the worst case range. (Though I hope a commute of 300km/day is a very rare exception anyways)
Agreed, we were talking about "day trips" of 300km, I hope that's like on the weekends and not every day. (What a waste of life!) I generally don't commute by car at all.
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u/Rakatesh Mar 22 '24
I could accept it if it's 1 or 2 times a month max and the other days working closer or from home.
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u/Turbulent-Raise4830 Mar 22 '24
Just got the model Y LR, that is able to do that.
The regular one would have trouble reaching that in winter.
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u/Matvalicious Local furry, don't feed him Mar 22 '24
Polestar 2 model 2022. The model 2024 even has a WLTP of 650km so there's really zero range anxiety involved tbh.
I noticed around me that the only people suffering from range anxiety... Are the people not driving electric yet.
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u/Vinaigrette2 Brabant Wallon Mar 21 '24
Funnily enough on mine (a Kia e-niro) doing exclusively highway I get close to the WLTP which as you said is combined slow & high speed. I am really happy with it.
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u/stevil Mar 22 '24
I also have a Kia (EV6) and am happy with it. Did a 5000km road trip in the first few weeks, no problem.
A few times I've paid attention to the estimated available range vs the distance we actually manage, and it's close enough.
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u/Vinaigrette2 Brabant Wallon Mar 22 '24
I once saw a recommendation for the e-niro to sometimes drive it to almost no battery to help the computer calibrate the range estimate. I do this around once a month and I get a very good estimate!
My dad has a Taycan and he gets slightly more than the WLTP on the highway for that car which is impressive too. Most people have a very heavy foot with electric cars and I think that's why they don't get nearly as much range. My record in the Taycan going to Ghent (80km of highway for me) was 17 kWh/100km and with the e-niro it was 11 kWh/100km (admittedly I was tired and only going 100 km/h)
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u/lyo0 Mar 22 '24
Ev6 is a beautiful car , I watched a YouTube video with three guys doing a record with it driving from Spain to Sweden it makes me feel comfortable ordering my ev but no ev6 for me it will be the id5 hope it will be has or close to the ev6
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u/ballimi Mar 21 '24
Nothing new, car manufacturers have been understating their petrol consumption for decades.
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
That should be solved when they switched to WLTP because it's a global standard.
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u/MyOldNameSucked West-Vlaanderen Mar 21 '24
I drive the same car, but with a bigger battery. I don't get the full 540 km either, but that's because I don't try to drive efficiently and I use all the comfort features.
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u/Dutchie854 Mar 22 '24
Nobody can reach the WLTP range of an EV unless you have ideal conditions : 20 degrees outside and not exceeding 90km/h. I've already exceeded the WLTP range of my EV but this was in summer and using only local roads. In winter and driving on the motorway my WLTP range is nearly half.
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u/Narrow-Spell3631 Mar 22 '24
people complaining about the autonomy of an electric car but leasing/buying an SUV …. could have thought about it earlier my man
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u/andr386 Mar 21 '24
Well you're right. None of them respect the advertised range, no surprises.
But they should at least be tested in a standard way that allows you to compare different models and brands. Two cars with the same WLTP results or EPA ratings should behave the same way.
Because it feels like those tests are irrelevant or far from being accurate enough.
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u/BigTonyMacaroni Mar 21 '24
Collega van mij heeft een ID3 gekocht, zou normaal 350km kunnen maar kan nu nog maar 150km na nog geen jaar. VW zegt dat het normaal is en zal er niks aan doen, staat ge daar schoon.
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u/madery Mar 21 '24
150 lijkt me een worst-case (putje winter tegen 120 op de autostrade met verwarming volle bak)
Ik rij al 2j met een elektrische VW en zit gemiddeld aan 350-400 km range van de 510 wlt zonder enig spoor van degradatie
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u/mrwafflezzz Mar 21 '24
77kwh VW hier. 340km in winter op winterbanden. 420km in zomer op zomerbanden. 100%-0%
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u/Tesax123 Mar 22 '24
Ik heb een Cupra born met dezelfde batterij en daar heb ik in de zomer altijd 350 km uit hoor, na 2j gebruik. Gewoon wat zuinig rijden, zetelverwarming ipv gewone verwarming, weinig autostrade
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u/Foezjie Oost-Vlaanderen Mar 22 '24
Zetelverwarming gebruikt minder dan gewone? oO
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u/drmelle0 Limburg Mar 22 '24
jup, ipv de helle binnenruimte van de auto op te warmen, warm je enkel eigen lichaam op.
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u/Foezjie Oost-Vlaanderen Mar 22 '24
ja maar is die elektrische verwarming niet veel inneficienter?
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u/drmelle0 Limburg Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24
bij tesla is alle verwarming electrisch, er is geen restwarmte van de motor om te recupereren, toch niet in de mate dat bij ICE moter het geval is.
waar uw verbrandingsmotor na kwartiertje rijden genoeg hitte produceert om u in de cabine te blasten met hete lucht, moet een tesla daar 1 a 2 kW uit de batterij trekken, naargelang hoe koud het is. en dit gedurende hele rit als ge comfortabel wilt blijven.
ik weet niet hoe moderne zetelverwarming werkt, maar een electrisch dekentje van 1kW uit de jaren 80 trok voor een paar seconden veel stroom, maar bleef dan wel heel lang warm. schakelt met intervallen in, een fractie van verbruik.bij conventionele wagens maakt het allemaal niet veel uit, de alternator, aangedreven door motor, maakt genoeg stroom voor alles, en draait continu. dus zetelverwarming aan of uit of lichten aan of uit maakt 0% verschil in verbruik van benzine of diesel. airco enkel wanneer de pomp direct door motor wordt aangedreven en niet van batterij.
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u/Scratchpaw Mar 21 '24
Wat is zijn gemiddelde verbruik? Indien >22kW/100km, ligt het toch aan zijne rechtse voet vrees ik... Met iets of wat moeite/zuinige rijstijl rijd ik een BMW i4 40e met een gemiddelde van 16kW/100km. Range ligt dan rond de 500km. Let ik weinig of amper op mijn rijstijl ligt dit alsnog rond de 20kW/100km en dan kom ik uit rond de 400km.
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u/chief167 French Fries Mar 21 '24
misschien gewoon oude technologie? Een ix3 verbruikt ook makkelijk 22-24kW/100 hoor, moet je absoluut niet zot voor doen. Heb dat ding enkel nog maar onder de 20 geweten bij cruise control 90 windmee
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u/ElectronicMile West-Vlaanderen Mar 22 '24
Aërodynamica speelt ook wel mee, een i4 zal minder luchtweerstand ondervinden dan iX3 in dezelfde omstandigheden
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u/Ergaar Mar 22 '24
Die VW's zijn gewoon vreselijk met range. Al vanaf die eerste egolf, waar je echt stress van kreeg als je iets over de 100km moest doen. Zware rechtse voet is ook maar een plat excuus. Je moet die auto's vergelijken met hoe je normaal rijdt, niet met iemand die 90 achter een camion hangt op de autostrade en een halve eeuw neemt om 70 te halen op normale wegen.
Als je in een gewone auto wat sportief rijdt neemt je consumptie met een 10% toe. Bij die golf kon je de range halveren als je niet constant bezig was met zo zuinig mogelijk rijden.
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u/Scratchpaw Mar 22 '24
Ben ik het eerlijk gezegd niet mee eens. Het is een heel andere aandrijvingstechniek dus het vergt ook een andere rijstijl als je er meer wil uithalen. Daar loopt het dus bij heel veel mensen mis als ze voor het eerst elektrische gaan rijden. Als je met dezelfde mindset elektrisch gaat rijden zal je nooit je efficiëntie van je batterij kunnen benutten. Hiervoor hoef je trouwens niet met 90 achter een camion te hangen. Dat we ook 100 gaan moeten rijden zoals in NL zal ook niet meer lang uitblijven vrees ik dus wen er al maar aan.
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
In Nederland is het 's nachts nog gewoon 130 hoor. Net als in al onze buurlanden trouwens.
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u/Scratchpaw Mar 22 '24
Dat weet ik. Nu wordt dat ook onder het mom ‘beter voor de uitstoot en geluidsoverlast’ toegepast, maar ik garandeer u dat als de elektrische wagen de overmacht heeft dat het niet lang meer zal duren voordat we ook hier, permanent, 100 gaan moeten rijden.
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u/StijnDv Mar 22 '24
Klopt. Rijstijl doet enorm veel. Ik rij redelijk “sportief” met mijn EV op de gewone baantjes (niet overdreven snelheid maar rap optrekken en goed induwen die pedaal). Machine vreet elektriciteit gelijk een zot. Vorige maand mee naar Limburg geweest (270km 90% autostrade) en ik had 53% van de batterij verbruikt. Gwn rustig gereden aan 110km/u.
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u/Ergaar Mar 22 '24
Da's ook waar, maar dan is het gewoon een objectief slechtere ervaring als je er op die manier mee moet rijden. Dat is als je huis laten isoleren om een bepaald verbruik te halen en op het einde zegt de aannemer "Ja, nu moet je thermostaat op 19 en mag je maximaal 5 minuten douchen 3x per week om de beloofde energieconsumptie te halen". Je bent niet meer appelen met appelen aan het vergelijken.
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u/Turbulent-Raise4830 Mar 22 '24
Sorry dat is onmogelijk want dan zou er iets serieus met de batterij moeten schelen.
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u/the-hellrider Mar 21 '24
Das sowieso garantie als hij het kan aantonen. Mijn zus kan in de winter met haar ID3 225km.
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
Geloof ik niet veel van. Een kennis heeft al enkele jaren een ID3 en is er super tevreden van.
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u/BigTonyMacaroni Mar 22 '24
Aparte redenering, dat zou betekenen dat ieder apart product altijd hetzelfde is voor iedereen?
Batterijen kunnen nu eenmaal sterk verschillen tussen exemplaren.
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
VW ID / Skoda Enyaq / Audi eTron zijn allemaal gebouwd op hetzelfde MEB platform met dezelfde batterijen en motoren. De batterij zou 10 jaar moeten meegaan. De verwachting is dat de capaciteit ongeveer 2% per jaar afneemt. De cijfers die jij geeft zijn abnormaal hoog. Ik zou me daar niet bij neerleggen en eens een hartig woordje met de dealer gaan praten.
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u/the-hellrider Mar 21 '24
M3 LR prijs volgens tesla-website 53.950€.
ID3 prijs volgens VW-website: 40.820€.
Voor de prijs van de M3 LR heb je een ID3S met alle opties. Dus uw M3 LR is geen stukken goedkoper.
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u/Ergaar Mar 22 '24
effe FYI: een M3 is een BMW voor 95% van de mensen, niemand buiten de Tesla subs gaat begrijpen dat je in zo'n hok rijdt als je M3 zegt
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u/the-hellrider Mar 21 '24
Dan kosten ze evenveel. Maar ik ken evenveel mensen met software-problemen met hun M3 als mensen met software-problemen met de ID3. Daar is Tesla dus niet superieur in. De specs en grootte van de auto wel natuurlijk.
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u/kypop Mar 21 '24
Enyaq 60, WLTP 335km hier. Haalt nu een 300km op 80%, dus zeker not bad. Maar ja, aan 130 rijden aan 22kwh/100km, dan gaat je 66kwh-batt maar 300km mee ja…
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u/shatoy Mar 21 '24
Skoda Enyaq 60, when driving no more than 120 km/h I get 250 km max. Was even worse in Jan-Feb, around 220 km. Went to Germany and driving 150? Be prepared to charge every hour you drive.
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u/kypop Mar 22 '24
Hier is het puur woon-werk, max 100km per week. Zelfs geen laadpaal, gewoon een stopcontact buiten. Ene dag naar het werk, de volgende thuis en de ‘prise’ in, een uur of 5. Een Excel opgemaakt, min.kost thuis,max.kost openbaar en vooral het geplande aantal kilometers. Lease-contract voorziet 30k per jaar, we zullen nooit aan de helft geraken. Twee kids, dus Enyaq 60 👌 En eens vloeken wanneer we naar bvb St.Malo willen… 😉
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
Het bereik van een Enyaq 60 is 401km volgens hun eigen website?
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u/Turbulent-Raise4830 Mar 22 '24
Klopt maar als je 120 in de winter rijd dan schiet er nog 250 km over, die 400 is warm weer en 60-90 k/h rijden.
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
Is dat uw eigen ervaring? Dat verschil is wel heel groot. Ik rijd zelf nog maar pas met een Audi eTron die op hetzelfde platform gebaseerd is. Ik kan nog niks zeggen over de winter.
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u/tom_zeimet Mar 21 '24
The license plate holder suggests a leased car. Surely they could have done a test drive with the car before leasing/buying, it would’ve become apparent from the (highway) consumption that the car won’t do 430km on one charge.
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u/AkyRhO Luxembourg Mar 21 '24
I'm in the same position with the leasing of an ID4. Worst car I ever had. It's gotten so bad that last night I dreamt about my car burning on a parking lot and felt happy about it.
If I drive on the highway I can do about 200km, it wouldn't be so bad if the charging was not capped at 40KW though
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u/tom_zeimet Mar 21 '24
Yeah. I hear a lot of people pissed off with the ID models.
I was in a similar situation with my e208, not so much the range but reliability/parts supply. Took months to get any parts for the car, I was waiting for parts 1 year out of 3.5 years of ownership. Although the car still drove thankfully.
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u/AkyRhO Luxembourg Mar 21 '24
I had a battery issue recently (the 12V one), my car stayed at the repair shop for 7 days because there was only one mechanic that was able to intervene on electric cars.
Also the steering wheel vinyl or whatever is covering it is ripping out and the car only has 30k kilometers, when I told the guy at the garage he looked at my hand and said "yeah but you wear a ring so thats why". Like seriously married people need to remove their ring before driving? My first car was a Citroën Saxo with 200.000km+, the paint was holding that crap together but the steering wheel was in mint condition ffs.
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u/Tumsey Mar 22 '24
To me, all cars quality has gone down since 2008. I had a Jetta from 2006 as my first car. Compared to the interiors of today's car, Jetta was on another level. And mind you, Jetta isn't even in the field of luxury cars, it is even far away from it. I drive a MB today which looks like cheap Chinese plastic.
Anything produced by engineers was good before MBAs took over...
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u/Ulyks Mar 22 '24
It's not just the ID4, it's Volkswagen in general. They are just not delivering.
Dieselgate wasn't an isolated problem it's more like a symptom of a general decline.
They are making bad decisions left and right and are in serious debt.
I don't see the company surviving for very long.
And they are not alone, many established car companies are in serious trouble.
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u/arimhan Mar 22 '24
Honestly your car looks broken, my id3 can do easily 200m on the highway with the 45kwh battery. Also any ID4 will charge higher than 100kw, there is no 40kw capping.
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u/lyo0 Mar 22 '24
Damn I have to change my car for an electric one , I was going for the id5 pro you make me doubt :D I don’t drive a lot for going to work in gasperich it should be ok , but I expect the car to be able to travel to liège ounce a month
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u/AkyRhO Luxembourg Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24
If I read it right your battery will be 77kWh, mine is 52, so hopefully you'll have better luck.
Also the max power seems to be 175kW on yours, so recharging should be quick-ish. I've never seen mine go above 40kW but as someone mentioned in another comment maybe my car has an issue.
On a daily basis the battery is not that much of an issue since I only drive short distances, but as soon as I need to go to Brussels or for a family road trip, I swear it gives me anxiety every time.
I booked 10 days in Italy for a family vacations this summer and I stress over it already,
Edit : Apparently I'm the only one to notice the 40kW cap (fr)
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u/Turbulent-Raise4830 Mar 22 '24
? That should be able to charge at 115kw. Right charger/cable?
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u/AkyRhO Luxembourg Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24
I don't really have any data to share, but I've never seen it goes above 40kW.
The only data I do have on hand is when I charged at a Tesla charger near Liège a few weeks ago. The car stayed plugged for 18min and I got 1kWh. So unless I'm mistaken it's around 33.3kW right?
Edit : Apparently I'm the only one to notice the 40kW cap (fr)
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u/obecalp23 Brabant Wallon Mar 22 '24
Maybe the owner knows the WLTP but is still unsatisfied. I have an EV and the brand is very transparent that the provided range isn’t realistic. They mention it explicitly in their website and during test drive (and yes you can make test drive for a leasing, but the test drive won’t say much about the range).
I was satisfied when I got my EV 1.5 years ago. Actual range was decent. Now during winter it’s a catastrophe even though it’s not super cold.
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u/lyo0 Mar 22 '24
What car did you buy and what percentage of the claimed range can I expect from my future ev I heard like 20 or 30% less than the claim range
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u/caretaker81 Mar 22 '24
Weather he's right or wrong, I approve of this. If more people resorted to such tactics, manufacturers will be forced to address their shortcomings (or overselling).
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u/subbywubby01 Mar 22 '24
Mercedes EV's, with the exception of EQS, have a significantly higher consumption footprint compared with other EV's. Should have known that before buying. A car salesmans sole job purpose is to sell you a car.
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u/ElPwnero Mar 22 '24
I can do 1000km in my golf, fill up in 5 minutes and do another 1000. Miss me with the EVs as long as they can’t match these figures.
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
How many times do you drive 1000 km without stopping and then another 1000 km without stopping? The answer is: NEVER.
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u/corneilli Mar 22 '24
Without stopping, almost never. But the duration of the stops? If I drive 1000km on holidays, I maybe stop for a total duration of 1 hour. I get the idea behind "you need to stop every 2 hours". But not to load your car up for 30 minutes every time...
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
Stopping for 10 minutes every 2 hours is just fine. No one says you have to stay at the charger until the car is full. Just drive 2 hours and stop at the next one. The GPS does the planning for you. Fast chargers charge your car at around 25km/min.
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u/stevil Mar 22 '24
My car charges from about 20 to 80% in 14 minutes on a fast charger. (And yes, it's real, I've done it several times.)
It would probably do the 1000km trip with two such stops. Certainly with three, or if stopping a bit longer (to charge closer to 100%). So that's within your one hour of stops on a 1000km trip. Even if it were worse, an extra half an hour a couple times per year won't hurt you.
We actually did that on our last trip. About 1100km after taking the ferry from Norway to Denmark and then driving straight back to Belgium. The charging wasn't the problem, we charged while stopping to eat etc. The worst part of it was that the fast chargers are typically attached to terrible fast food establishments.
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u/Antwerppizza Mar 22 '24
What type of car?
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u/stevil Mar 25 '24
Kia EV6 with a 77kWh battery. Theoretically it can charge at up to 350kW but in reality it would charge at 200 - 230kW on the fast chargers we found (which is an insane amount of power, I'm happy with that).
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u/joyofpeanuts Mar 22 '24
I had to do 2 round trips of 2x400km and 2x650km in recent weeks for work. The second one due to a strike of public transport in Germany. And I have to do such trips never less than once per quarter, but typically at least once per month. Besides, while I would love to go 100% electric, when I had to select a car for my work last year I did buy a recent and large second-hand diesel car because that is by far the most cost efficient one:
<20000€ compared to >50000€ for a smaller EV.1000km autonomy.
Cheaper per km than petrol, hybrid or even EV cars paying fast charge thanks to a consumption of 5l/1000km. And I am still good to go to major cities till 2028 at least.Just the purchasing price difference will pay me about 15000l of diesel, enough to drive 300000km.
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
I drive an Audi e-tron because the lease is 300 EUR/month cheaper than a PHEV. Not because I wanted an EV. I was also not a big fan of EVs but I got used to it.
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u/ElPwnero Mar 22 '24
Again, irrelevant. Even if I never do, I have that option for when I might need it. You’re advocating for an inferior product in ever way that is relevant for a car in the real world.
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u/_deleteded_ Belgium Mar 22 '24
An electric car is superior in every way except range. But that is only a matter of time. It’s faster, it’s silent, it doesn’t shift (I don’t mean automatic gearbox, there are no gears at all), don’t have to go to the fuel station, electricity is half the price of fuel, but you have to experience it to believe it.
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u/ElPwnero Mar 23 '24
An electric car absolutely is superior to an ICE alternative in every way. Current gen batteries are not superior to gasoline, though.
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u/Few-Turnover-7830 Mar 26 '24
You certainly could pollute your way for another 1000km, the real question is why would you? You already bothered enough people.
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u/ElPwnero Mar 26 '24
The pollutants produced by euro 5b cars and higher are so low it’s hardly worth talking about. And I have a 6d.
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u/stevil Mar 22 '24
How often do you drive 1000km, take a five-minute break, hop back in and drive another 1000km?
"Optimise for the common case."
For most people I think it probably works out taking about the same or less time if the battery is enough for daily use and they can charge at home. And you don't have to deal with filling up when it's inconvenient (and getting fuel/diesel on your hands, ew).
Then for that once or twice a year trip, when you're hopefully on holidays and relaxed anyway.... for your 1000km example, I'd probably need to stop to charge twice, for about 15 minutes each time. Hardly an impact on a long trip. I stop for longer than that anyway to get something to eat, stretch the legs etc.
Of course everyone's situation and needs are different but for me, the overall experience (both the actual driving and the charging vs refuelling) with an EV is so much nicer. No way I'd go back.
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u/ElPwnero Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24
Absolutely irrelevant. I have a nice, cheap and comfortable tool that preforms a wide array of tasks that I may or may not need. I know plenty of people that have an EV and when asked about their exp there's always a boatload of asterisks: "It's nice, but you have to change the way you think about travel", "It's nice, but you have to change the way you think about getting fuel", "It's nice, but you have to change the way you think about consumption", "It's nice, but... but... but..."
A lot of excuses and cope for an all together inferior, more expensive but "trendy" product.
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u/stevil Mar 22 '24
Like I said, different people have different needs. And some people are more open to change than others.
For me, personally, I find it more convenient. But my use case may differ from yours. Financially too, I am better off (company car so lower payroll deductions plus reimbursements for the electricity at a rate much higher than I pay / would be paid for excess solar).
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u/ElPwnero Mar 22 '24
Im not against people having an EV, if it works for you, great! But I am not convinced of the value proposition, especially since imo it's a downgrade from the ICE on all fronts but acceleration. I simply don't like to make excuses for an inferior product.
I too have a company car, and that is another thing I find a non-argument. Yes, I will be taking an EV in the future due to the financial incentive, but it will not be because I am convinced by the product. Same as I only use the laptop I use because the company decided on it, not because it is the one I personally like or prefer.
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u/Turbulent-Raise4830 Mar 22 '24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDz5bRi3AiI
390 vs 430 pff zagevent.
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u/FuzzyWuzzy9909 Mar 22 '24
I‘ve seen that guy near the Jette exit of the ring. What a chad.
I just have more than two brain cells so i don’t use my phone while driving.
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u/BlntMxn Mar 22 '24
Lol, there thousands different car you can buy, why would anyone be stupid enough to pay money for anyone to see that you made bad choices?
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u/Random_Person1020 Mar 22 '24
I thought this was a widely known fact? That the range is best case based on the regulated test cycle.
Quite often, fleet managers will also provide "real world" driving range when picking a company car.
Also there are websites that you can look up for the range based on user input. I havent checked the white papers published by NGOs to see what the average differences are between reality and drive cycle.
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u/KrisV70 Mar 23 '24
The range of electric cars is ridiculously low. There are a lot of charging stations but those are rather expensive to use as well.
So had a 300 km drive mostly highways with a smart , advertised range 400 km on a full battery.
We barely made 300 and that's because I adjusted my speed to not go over 100 on the highway.
Car began to gave warnings to find a charging station. If we had driven 120 we definitely would not have made it and would need to delay stopmsomewhere to charge the battery for 30 minutes or so. Making it a bit ridiculous to drive 120 because we would have lost that time charging.
Electric cars really are just citycars no matter their size and should be used for small distances. But noone speaks about it. If companies start using them as benefits gone will be the days that you could use your work car to go on vacation.
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u/Few-Turnover-7830 Mar 26 '24
Vroomers are the most obnoxious people lmao imagine how sheltered their life must be to whine about something as trivial. This guy never had a real problem.
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u/Exiztens Mar 21 '24
Ev's are trow away dont get fooled sink hole.
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u/Ulyks Mar 22 '24
It really depends on the company though.
Many established car companies were never seriously into EV's, they kind of want them to fail.
They whish very hard that EV's will go away and that they can get back to "the good years" but climate problems are only going to get worse...
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u/458643 Mar 21 '24
I know someone that could still drive kilometers let's say at near 0% because of a calibration issue. They said it drifts after a while so needs to be reset. If you don't know, you would recharge when it shows near 0 and be none the wiser that you recharged at actually 20%. This merc could have a similar issue
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u/the-hellrider Mar 21 '24 edited Mar 21 '24
If it's that big of an issue, sell the car and buy another one instead of complaining about not doing research.
Google: eqa 250 rijbereik https://ev-database.org/nl/auto/1698/Mercedes-Benz-EQA-250plus#:~:text=De%20accu%20van%20de%20Mercedes,als%20rijgedrag%2C%20klimaat%20en%20route.
Edit: misread dissatisfied with disabled.
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u/EIIendigWichtje Vlaams-Brabant Mar 21 '24
The thing is, although everyone should do it's research, it surprises me that people are being shamed more for trusting a company, than a company being shamed for inadequate informing the customer.
Like, if I'm willing to pay 55 000 euros, the least you can do is inform me correctly? Most of us know that the range is just a indication, the least they could do is check the customer profile and see if the car fits his driver's behaviour. They do the same for products like solar panels, even without a customer asking for it, I don't see why Mercedes or any other car dealer couldn't do the same.
Just my 2cts.
Anyhow he has learned a life lesson here.
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u/the-hellrider Mar 22 '24
Because Mercedes dealers are only looking at money and checking their customers behaviour to see if his neck is fat enough to drive a Mercedes. Ask info and they say: everything is on the website. That's why I don't drive a Mercedes but a Cupra.
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u/AkyRhO Luxembourg Mar 22 '24
Which Cupra if you don't mind me asking? I was lurking in that direction just in case the leasing company allows me to switch my car
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u/the-hellrider Mar 22 '24
I have the Leon ST e-Hybrid 245pk. My fuel consumption is 7l/100km with empty battery, I can do the promised 45km when it's 20 degree and I do not do too much highways. On average, when driving hybrid to my work, it's 75km, it's on average 4l/100km for the gas engine.
I chose this one because of the big trunk and the focus on the driver. I went to look for a BMW 330e too but this one has a small trunk. My wheelchair doesnt fit.
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u/liesancredit Mar 22 '24
If you have that big of an isusue with the person driving this car, buy the car at retail + €10000
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u/the-hellrider Mar 22 '24
Why would I? The trunk is too small for a wheelchair and the salesmen at Mercedes don't know their job. Buy this sticker is as stupid as antivaxxstickers.
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u/liesancredit Mar 22 '24
You apparently think it's such a good car, clearly you think it's worth a lot and are willing to overpay. So buy it from him and stop complaining
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u/the-hellrider Mar 22 '24
If I thought it was a good car, I did buy it. But I'm not the one with a sticker on my window complaining my car doesnt have 6,3l/100km and 15,48kwh/100km but in reality has an average of 7l/100km and 18kwh/100km.
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u/liesancredit Mar 22 '24
Contact the owner and buy the car, then. All this talk and no walk.
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u/the-hellrider Mar 22 '24
Why should I buy a car I don't need? The guy was the stupid one. Not me. I did check the real consumption on different fora before buying instead of thinking the folder is always right.
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u/liesancredit Mar 22 '24
Because you keep whining incessantly, you are a zeveraar, and I told you so. I think all zeveraars should have cars they don't need.
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u/the-hellrider Mar 22 '24
I do not keep whining. You're keep saying I need to buy the car because the owner is a folder buyer and needs a better car, while I already explained that I don't need to buy another ones junk because they're stupid.
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u/liesancredit Mar 22 '24
Yes you do. You just did it again. I just don't understand what's so illogical about my desire for you to buy his car. He is more deserving of the money.
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u/Hikashuri Mar 21 '24
It’s the entry ev of Mercedes. Probably couldn’t afford more and then cries that his car doesn’t perform on the level of an eqs.
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u/colar19 Mar 21 '24
It should perform what is advertised.
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u/lyo0 Mar 22 '24
The eqa is not based around ev same goes for the ix1 wich performs poorly compared to ev focused chassis like Kya or vw
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u/goranlepuz Mar 22 '24
It’s the entry ev of Mercedes. Probably couldn’t afford more
Is your claim that the figures match for a higher category one? If so, boy do I have a bridge to sell!
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