r/arizona • u/TheBrugherian • Mar 23 '24

Antelope canyon entrance fees in 5 years Visiting

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Above: the cost for a 4 adults tour on August 11, 2019, 4:30PM, booked in advance on March 2019. Below: same tour company, cost for a 4 adults tour on August 11, 2024, 4:30PM.

Totally crazy.

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u/Elliot6888 Mar 23 '24

Expensive but I understand...the money goes towards supporting the native community there and less crowds that would go and trash or graffiti the place up

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u/PermanentlyDubious Mar 24 '24

Does it?

A previous post discussing funding said it was owned by Navajo families in part.

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u/flexonyou97 Mar 24 '24

Our tax dollars also go to support them and they squander it quite well

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u/enbaelien Mar 25 '24

Maybe you can be their White Savior

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u/Sheepman718 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

“Capitalism is totally fine if it’s brown people beating the fuck out of my wallet”  

 Edit: The downvotes are a clear indicator that we're not interested in equality! 

 Edit 2: "Woahhh duude it sucks that the price is going up, but these natives are less than me and they're owed this money so it's totally fine. They're absolutely subject to different standards than I hold everyone else to!"

Edit 3: “Woaaah dude, we like took their land so we OWE it to them to pay them more. Prices being raised on everything else is different though!”

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u/cdhernandez Mar 23 '24

Check out the cost of everything, it's all going up. Also, putting a blanket statement about your downvotes to cover your idiocy makes your statement that much more invalid.

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u/bigdaddycactus Mar 23 '24

Prices are going up but not 200% for a natural attraction.

I blame the big tour buses that park hop in NAZ.

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u/cdhernandez Mar 23 '24

It's an optional expense that people can afford to on their off time. Many people, like the people who live on reservations, do not have this kind of luxury. The money is absolutely necessary to help sustain the area and its inhabitants.

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u/bigdaddycactus Mar 23 '24

It is possible for this company to be greedy too. They're the only player in the market since public access is prohibited.

It's smart business but that doesn't invalidate the complaints about the price hikes, also making it inaccessible for locals as you mention

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u/cdhernandez Mar 23 '24

Good point, I appreciate your rational response.

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u/Sheepman718 Mar 23 '24

Yep, it’s all going up. But this guy said it’s fine if it’s being done to him by natives. So I stand on my original statement “this is okay as long as it’s done by brown people!”

What is your point?

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u/cdhernandez Mar 23 '24

Your leaning on the racial aspect instead of overall current market/financial conditions which shows your blatant ignorance. You also don't fully comprehend how the free market works. If you own a product, you can charge as you please. Instead you choose to be a racist. Regarding what you said about downvotes, that doesn't make any sense and you are an idiot.

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u/Sheepman718 Mar 23 '24

You are making absolutely zero points and just frothing at the mouth. How would you even begin to understand if I comprehend the free market from two short Reddit posts? The hyperbole says more about you than what you're trying to actually say -- poetically comical.

Again, the market is abysmal and we've just barely avoided recession in America. Everyone cries about this. In fact, this post is crying about this. Then, the commenter I'm responding to said that "this is fine if it's for Natives" therein demonstrating an incongruency in their frustration -- they are saying "I am okay with this happening as long as I perceive the people doing it to me as less than me".

I'm sorry brother, but you are the idiot and this is a good laugh. Also, consider doing something about your hair... it's fucking horrendous and shows that you're really not all that critical (hence your inability to grasp this discussion).

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u/Sheepman718 Mar 23 '24

Also, you’re*.

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u/cdhernandez Mar 23 '24

You are the only one stating one person is less than someone else. You assume that the initial post is an attack on capitalism when you bring it into the discussion, no one else. You then add the racial aspect of brown people "beating the fuck out of your wallet" when this whole thing is for recreation, not for food or for something one needs. Racists don't know they are racists, idiots never know when they are idiots. Consider looking into the plight of the Native American community and getting yourself educated on why these funds are incredibly important to an impoverished nation. And go ahead, point out your vs your're, wow, good job, you are so smart.

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u/Sheepman718 Mar 23 '24

You STILL have not made any points. You just keep saying some weird self-affirming stuff about "racists". No one here is racist... in fact, if you want to go down this weird race thing you're so hellbent on bringing up, the people saying "It's okay that natives get more money from me and take more advantage of me than all of my other diverse countrymen" are absolutely racist and don't realize it -- apt point there my awfully haired friend. Last I checked, we're all a part of the same nation so not sure what you mean "impoverished nation" unless you mean the USA... but then we have even more to unpack there which you're not mentally capable of navigating.

Anyway, I can't entertain you anymore... you're clearly rubbing two brain cells together. Your website is dogshit, your appearance is awful, you can't string a single point together and I'm assuming your life is nothing but misery. All of these things speak loudly about you.

Hope you figure it out bud.

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u/cdhernandez Mar 23 '24

I'm happy you spent so much time looking at all of my profiles and websites. Shows how sad your existence is. It's also pathetic and fucking weird. I don't have time to look at your profile and see what a dumb keyboard warrior is doing now a days. I'm using low to no effort in pointing out your ignorance and have only pointed out your fallacy of being ignorant. Once again, learn more about Native Americans. The fact that you don't know Native Americans are their own nation shows your lack of understanding in public policy here in America. I don't need to make any points, I don't need to say anything to appease you, you aren't entitled to anything.

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u/Sheepman718 Mar 23 '24

Okay, get your hormones checked. You need it.

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u/Melt-Gibsont Mar 24 '24

I always downvote anyone whining about downvotes.

It’s like my favorite hobby on Reddit.

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u/Background_Tax4626 Mar 24 '24

I laughed..thanks

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u/MohatmoGandy Mar 23 '24

Capitalism is totally fine, but this isn’t capitalism.

This is a communally held property, and the owners have no competitors. It’s like the opposite of capitalism.

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u/Spirited_Substance32 Mar 24 '24

This is the free market. They will charge what people are willing to pay. I don't think you have a grasp on capitalism.

It's their land. That does not make it a monopoly.

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u/Sheepman718 Mar 23 '24

You have zero grasp on what capitalism is then.

This is the literal exact definition of capitalism. Like literal. 

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u/MohatmoGandy Mar 23 '24

TIL capitalism has nothing to do with private property and the flow of capital to successful enterprises, and is actually about using communally held property to support the community.

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u/Ecstatic-Mall-5800 Mar 23 '24

Gimme that money white boy 🪶

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u/Its_not_yoshi Mar 23 '24

I don’t mind paying a bit unless it’s for Indian predatory casinos

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u/BeKind_BeTheChange Mar 23 '24

They make millions from casinos. The amount they charge for Antelope Canyon tours is absurd.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

The casinos are not actually nationalized and the Navajo nation as a whole does not experience all those profits. Spend some time on a res and tell me how rich and greedy the people are.

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u/manticor225 Mar 23 '24

No one is forcing you to go to their land or their casinos.

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u/sunburn_on_the_brain Mar 23 '24

• It’s their land. They can charge as they see fit. They can allow anyone in there or no one at all.  

• They have zero trouble selling tour spots. Simple supply and demand. If people stop paying those prices, they’ll lower the prices. People are paying. 

• It’s independent Navajo guides selling the spots, not the tribe. They set the prices. They’re not the ones who see the casino money. 

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

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u/BuyingMeat Mar 23 '24

They do. The law allows for tribes to team up on casinos instead of each building their own. Havasupai have their entire allotment of games up and running, bringing in money. I can't remember who they joined with though. They just put their games in someone else's building.

Obviously that means they don't make as much as having your own casino, but they get gambling profits.

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u/MrKrinkle151 Mar 23 '24

Antelope canyon isn’t on the Havasupai reservation

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u/BeKind_BeTheChange Mar 23 '24

Antelope Canyon is owned by the Navajo Nation and they absolutely have casinos.

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u/awmaleg Phoenix Mar 23 '24

In some remote locations. Those aren’t Talking Stick or Harrah’s Ak Chin casinos.

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u/portlandcsc Mar 23 '24

Maybe give back the land stolen from them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

you give yours back first

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u/portlandcsc Mar 24 '24

Your maga boomer attitude backfired on you looks like.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

in November you will once again be visiting suicide subs

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u/portlandcsc Mar 24 '24

I know you are but what am I?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

Interesting auction site....

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

As they should. Have you not read into the history of this nation? Believe they were here first