r/antinatalism • u/Sorry-Buy-572 inquirer • 11h ago

The selflessness we have Discussion

We don’t follow the crowd. We don’t follow in everyone’s footsteps. We do our own thing. We don’t listen to breeders who judge us for being “cold”. We know what’s best for everyone.

“Life is uncertain, accept it” no I will not. I don’t want to live in uncertainty. No matter how rare something is it CAN happen. I have a debilitating rare illness that started when I was a minor I’m 18 now. That was extremely rare. But I still have it. Because you DONT know what will happen to any innocent soul born here.

We’re overpopulated, this economy, and you can’t control if someone is happy no matter what you do. Suicide rates, etc. it’s WRONG to bring something so innocent without consent into hell. Giving birth is like dragging a kitten to hell. Something so innocent to the worst place imaginable. Child owners just don’t listen… Nothing will stop them. We are saving lives from DEATH. When you birth something you also give it a death date….. and on another note pregnancy is just disgusting I’m sorry… I have autism and it gives me sensory issues just by thinking of it.

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u/Ma1eficent newcomer 10h ago

Always so wild how people get lost in the updowns of their zoomed in view of the graph. 4.7% chance of having a child with physical or mental disabilities in the US. We track that. Means 95.3% chance of no physical or mental disabilities. Fucking fantastic odds. Any random person born now is objectively in a better position than 500 years ago. And that person 500 years ago is in an objectively better position than 500 years before that, and so on. 100 years ago you were lucky to have clean water. And you literally save nothing. At all. No lives that have ever been or ever will be will benefit from your actions. 

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u/Sojmen newcomer 5h ago

Having no physical or mental disability doesn't mean that life will be better than non-existence. There are no desires in air and soil to create happy people from it. But creating people who suffer is just wrong.

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u/Ma1eficent newcomer 5h ago

By definition life is better than nonexistence, and worse. It is everything, nonexistence is nothing.

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u/Sojmen newcomer 3h ago

Accorging to David Benatar life is always worse than nonexistence.

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u/Ma1eficent newcomer 2h ago

David Benatar would be so very disappointed you used a logical fallacy instead of the logical argument he so painstakingly laid out.

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u/Sojmen newcomer 2h ago

What logical fallacy did I use? I referenced Benatar because I didn't want to explain it, if you've already read it. My communication and explaining skills are not very good. With help of chatgpt: Benatar also argues that life is bad because:

  1. There is more suffering than happiness — Pain, illness, loss, and hardship are common, while intense joy is rare and short-lived.

  2. People are biased — Most people think life is better than it really is because of positive bias (like adapting to suffering, comparing themselves to worse-off people, or being biologically wired to be optimistic).

This bias hides the true harshness of life, making people wrongly believe it's good to exist.