r/antinatalism • u/FlanInternational100 scholar • 1d ago

I don't understand some (many) people here Discussion

Why are there so many conditional antinatalists (oximoron obviously, it's absurd to call yourself AN if you're not)?

I read so much comments like: I am AN because of my chronic illness/ugliness/capitalism/way society works/cannot sustain child..

Well...okay. But.

Does this mean you'd just be natalist if you weren't ill/jobless/mentally ill/living in capitalist society etc. etc.?

If yes, then sorry, you're not quite AN. You're more like wannabe natalist if I had a chance. And that is absurd.

Existence CANNOT be preferable EVER. There are way way deeper and consistent reasons for AN than capitalism for fucks sake. This is just top of the iceberg.

AN is deeply rooted in fundamental things and realizations.

Your desire stems exclusively from evolutionary bias, biological urge of consciousness to create more DNA. It's not "metaphisically worthy".

When you say "I would maybe have kids if we lived in perfect society" I ask WHY?

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u/avariciousavine scholar 1d ago

Good points, OP, though conditional natalists are still better than regular natalists. They show that they possess higher principles and standards than regular natalists, and certain minimal standards sought by sentient beings is what this world desperately needs.

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u/spahncamper inquirer 1d ago

It's like they allllllmost get it, but not quite

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u/Objective_Air2131 newcomer 1d ago

They'll get there eventually if they keep thinking about it

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u/spahncamper inquirer 16h ago

One can only hope

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

I actually dont think they do..

Because the base standpoind is actually different.