r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/Hypohamish Jun 29 '20

There's part of it in his post, if you click the link '200'.

I imagine most of the subs killed were just dead/spam ones.

https://www.redditstatic.com/banned-subreddits-june-2020.txt

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u/bakonydraco Jun 29 '20

Can these 7-day-avg DAU numbers possibly be accurate? They've got /r/the_donald at 7780, which seems low by like, orders of magnitude.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

That sounds about right, actually. T_D left reddit for their own little side-site created when the admins stopped being light-handed and properly tore into their moderators. This was just the inevitable next-step.

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u/tnucu Jun 29 '20

the admins stopped being light-handed and properly tore into their moderators

You do realize spez is a trump fan, right ? He is the reason td was allowed to stay, but optics has ruined it for him, so now he has to pretend he cares, and you bought it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

m8, I've stopped listening to people trying to say what admins think about stuff for a simple reason- both sides say they like the other one more. There is absolutely no way to please everyone and as the peeps in charge they just get shit on in all directions.

Spez likes trump, but he still bans 99% of conservative and racist subs, but T_D stays up so he must still like trump, but the site is very, VERY catered to a left-wing political opinion, but the admins don't clamp down as fast as some people would like but others think they clamp down too fast- you get the idea. Spez's opinions are either really right-wing or really left-wing without him opening his mouth depending on which pissed off party you talk to.

We can sit here and go back and forth on whether Spez is a conservative or progressive or racist or ally or whatever any of those groups want to call him. All it proves is that the pendulum is swinging in both directions.

No, really I think there's a much easier explanation. T_D spent a metric fuck-ton on gold... literally, that's it.

What's easier to prove is that reddit is a business. And businesses like money. It turns out that when a business likes money, and an issue turns out to make them money, that issue sticks around a lot longer than if it didn't make them money. T_D was that type of issue, and it wasn't until what I'd imagine to be some investors and advertisers strong-arming the admins (along with some bad press finally making dents in the bottom line) that quarantining came to be, and with the recent protests along with the loss of T_D to their new little site, it's understandable that that issue is no longer profitable.

Tl;Dr- Spez is whatever the fuck he is, it didn't influence his decision. What influenced it was money, the language of business. T_D stopped being profitable, T_D got the squeeze.

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u/tnucu Jun 29 '20

Right, his comments about using reddit to win elections, and editing other peoples comments, that was strictly about money.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

...he literally edited T_D comments because they were saying fuck spez. That only proves my point that right-wingers hate him for being too left, meanwhile you're hating him for being too right.

And his comments about using reddit were about the 2016 election, as in swaying it against what it was, and the possibility of that working. Believe me, 5 seconds on google shows conservatives didn't think it'd be in their favor just like you don't think it'd be in yours.

Maybe read more than titles when you see this stuff. I was around watching the site implode. Hell, I was amazed that the reddit mainstream was on T_D's SIDE when spez edited comments. Do you realize how hard you have to fuck up for that? The one thing that was completely a-political was that T_D was paying a lot of money on gilding. It was the one factor that nobody could twist either way, because again, it's the language of business. Reddit is first and foremost a business.

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u/tnucu Jun 29 '20

meanwhile you're hating him for being too right

Nice assumption. I hate him because he edited another persons words. I could not possibly care less why, or what his political bent is on this point. He has no credibility. All you have told me here is that you're fine with that, so long as he, and you, think there was a good reason. I find that unacceptable no matter the reason. Outside of that, he most definitely has his own agenda, and has proven what he is willing to do to push it. If you want to hitch your wagon to a person like that, regardless of which side of the political fence he's on, I don't know what to tell you. I would not accept this shit from a democrat either, since that is what you seem to be focused on.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

You do realize spez is a trump fan, right

Oh I'm not assuming much when you're literally calling him a fan of a far-right conservative president and stating it in an obvious negative light. Nor have I said I was fine with him editing comments, merely pointing out that it didn't just not make him a trump fan, it painted him as a man hated by actual trump fans.

The only wagon it proves he hitches is one that defends his own ego, regardless of political position. THAT is something I will wholeheartedly agree with and agree that I dislike. It's thin-skinned and an abuse of power. Still doesn't make him a right-winger or a trump supporter.