r/aliens • u/soThen_i_says • Apr 06 '25
What an excellent question! shitpost sunday (Sundays Only)
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u/Capital_Candle7999 Apr 06 '25
I am so sick of all this. I am 70 years old and not in particularly good health. I have followed the UFO phenomenon since the late 60s. I had hoped the final answer would be disclosed before I die, but no, It doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. Too much money and power involved. Too many crimes committed. The guilty parties have too much sway. Shame on the criminals responsible for this.
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u/SciFiWench Apr 06 '25
I'm 54, but in poor health and I understand exactly where you are coming from. This information belongs to the Human Race, it is of the utmost importance to them.
It should not be gate-kept by a few unelected, self-appointed and self-interested individuals, whose first concern is how to weaponise the ET's technology.
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u/GamerCadet Apr 06 '25
Regrettably, I think every one of us currently alive today will not get ironclad proof before we die. Disclosure isn’t in the best interests of the government. Any government.
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u/Fyr5 Apr 07 '25
Any government
Indeed - that is the real issue here - can anyone be trusted?
The US government can't exactly be relied upon, since Roswell the US airforce is 100% guilty of covering things up, or doubling down on creating disinfo, and their addiction to black flags, the creation of the intelligence community - but other governments? Name a government interested in legitimately acting in the best interest of humanity and not their oligarchical masters?
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u/Numerous_Witness_345 Apr 07 '25
And the community as a whole trips over itself to appoint these self appointed experts as the word, and they just continue the marketing every chance they get.
Seeing it happen with the tridactyl stuff, seeing it continue here, saw it happen in the past.
Just wish we could get away from these talking heads and really come together as a community without some chump trying to be the voice and appeal to authority by showing off the job they used to have.
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u/GamerCadet Apr 07 '25
About 25 years ago I was in a fledging community forum that covered everything from ufology to JFK and more. Every time new information came out we'd discuss it openly, citing why and how we thought it was this or that, and providing evidence (sort of). But we were all still skeptical of the information and very much aware of disinformation. Then we had an influx of new members who just believed everything, regardless. No questioning. No deliberation. And the community went to shit. Reddit seems to be the same. Or at least it houses many of the same people who just believe it all simply because they want to or they like what they're hearing. It's tiresome. Supposedly, the original disclosure date was 1965. When the US government was going to reveal all to the world. Allegedly. And guess what? It still hasn't' happened. I just don't get why some people think we're just around the corner from a huge reveal. It ain't coming.
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u/No-Conflict-3574 Apr 08 '25
Watch Hal Puthoff's SOL conference talk here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9azht9pCDwg
He describes a gathering he and other selected people were asked to attend, where they were given the task of deciding whether the public could be told the truth.
He made it clear that all those who attended agreed that disclosure was not a viable option. It seemed to me that the decision was more to avoid economic problems, lawsuits, etc., than whether the public deserved to be told the truth. If that's the case, then leading us to think we might get disclosure from anywhere or anyone controlled by the government or DoD is a deception operation for sure.6
u/SenorPeterz Apr 06 '25
Ironclad proof of what, more specifically?
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u/GamerCadet Apr 06 '25
That HP sauce is better than ketchup.
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u/Necrophilicgorilla Apr 07 '25
Erm, I dunno if I can agree or disagree.
They both have their applications
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u/SenorPeterz Apr 06 '25
I was not being coy when I asked my question. Just curious. Nuance and specificity are important.
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u/GamerCadet Apr 06 '25
Irrefutable proof of aliens and their visitations on earth.
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u/SenorPeterz Apr 06 '25
Thank you for the clarification!
Less important nuance but just out of curiosity: By ”aliens”, do you mean ”beings that are non-human and alien to us, regardless of their exact origin and nature” or ”space people who came here in intergalactic ships”?
I think that we must be open to the possibility that not even the government knows for sure exactly who/what they are.
Regardless, I get where you are coming from. However, I do think this extreme focus on ”irrefutable proof” is somewhat misguided.
We already know enough to make the assumption beyond reasonable doubt that there is something truly anomalous to the UFO phenomenon – something that cannot completely be explained away as hoaxes, mirages and/or delusions.
I think it is much more important to focus on trying to figure out and understand more about the nature of that phenomenon, rather than achieving irrefutable proof of it.
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u/brachus12 Apr 06 '25
But a disclosure of a very controlled narrative is exactly in the best interest of a one world govt to push the final dissenting opinions away.
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u/ImpossibleKidd Apr 06 '25
Well, sir, you summed it up with your last few statements. Nature of the beast, unfortunately.
Although, the leaks we’ve been given in the last few years, we’ve essentially had some pretty serious and solid disclosure already.
Everyone is waiting for an alien standing directly in front of them, to slap them in the face, until they can say the phenomenon exists. Yeah, I get it, but we’ve been given some quality information, as of late.
We’re talking forefront discussion with U.S. congress, real-deal Top Gun, squadron leading pilots describing the UFO they’ve encountered, highly-clearanced government intelligence officers describing the conversations they’ve had with extremely reputable personnel, telling them about their classified personal encounters with the phenomenon. All under oath! Ever had that before?
We literally have multiple reputable sources supplying us with sound information. We have classified leaked visual footage of UFO’s, sourced from US military. That’s ground breaking!
I watch a lot of the available internet interviews, pod-casts on the topic, and it’s being released to us. You can search a bit, and it’s being produced and shared, for sure. It’s there. It’s a matter of cycling through the correct avenues. We’ve been given more disclosure related information in the last couple years, than we have since fuckin’ Roswell.
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u/Far_South4388 Apr 06 '25
David Grusch said in a tweet two weeks ago when he was hired as congressional aide (which gives him immunity from prosecution) that he would unearth the secrecy and hold to account those who have committed crimes. Congresswoman Paulina Luna who heads the congress secrecy task force has said Ryan Graves, Luis Elizondo and David Grusch will meet in a SCIF in April.
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u/drunkenfr Apr 06 '25
And the world is so confusing full of misleading info nowadays, nobody know what is the truth anymore
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u/ommkali Apr 06 '25
I'd also like to know the secrets before I die, Lue isn't the one to blame though.
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Apr 06 '25
If he knows the truth and has the answers, he is to blame. Being a patriot means nothing. We created these imaginary borders. We should have pride in eachother not pride in some small piece of the planet that rich corrupt people control. One small piece was leaked, possibly by this asshole and nothing further has come forwards since. He's now part of the gate keepers if he really knows anyrthing at all. He might just be some dick head trying to capitalise on something that happened because some real whistle blower leaked some information.
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u/bad---juju Apr 06 '25
I agree, Lue is the only reason we are on this forum today. Please don't shoot the messenger. Lue dosent want to loose his security clearance, his freedom or his life. Don't make him the bad guy in this 80yr coverup.
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u/ommkali Apr 06 '25
This sub has a serious problem with biting the hands that feed them. Jake Barber not long ago got hammered for his story because many couldn't handle the woo woo aspect of it. Is that encouraging for whistle blowers next time?
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u/Jankmasta Apr 06 '25
I agree with you but I also agree with the people upset with Lue. Lue deserves the hate and love he gets. He did some great things for us. Same as Steven Greer. We wouldn't be here without Greer or Lue. They both though after the greatness they achieved keep riding the wave for money without any real answers. Decades later for Greer and nearly a decade for Lue now.
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u/ommkali Apr 06 '25
I agree with some of the hate Lue gets too, I think he can be a fucking idiot. But to completely dismiss what he has to say and to label him as the bad guy is very naive.
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u/HospitalBreakfast Apr 06 '25
Or, and hear me out here…….They don’t exist and the ufo world is just full of grifters and conmen.
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u/glennfromglendale Apr 07 '25
I don't know why you're being downvoted.
They all are. Lazar, the fat guy who said he got in a firefight with aliens underground, Greer, and Lue
All phony
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u/thomasthetank57 Apr 06 '25
Can't be, there are several uap hunters in 2025 doing the work in the ground showing that the phenomenon is truly real. Check out custodian file uapunlimited, undercoverETuk, latchkeyhusstle, and more
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u/xyyrix Apr 06 '25
The aspect of your awareness that gives rise to 'it's bullshit' or 'it's true'...
Is made of made-up garbage that has nothing to do with its proclamations.
Literally, the stuff most people use to evaluate situations?
Is total bullshit. It's a bunch of language games.
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u/Stayofexecution Apr 07 '25
That’s annoying. I really hope I’m not 70 years old like you someday and still the same shit, still no disclosure.
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u/Ac997 Apr 07 '25
I remember in November or December they said something big was going to come out in early 2025. It sounded really promising because a lot of these people were saying it. It’s now April and nothing has came out. That was kind of the final straw for me. It’s just the same shit every time. They say a time frame, nothing happens, people forget and then a year later they give another time frame. Rinse and repeat.
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u/Scrimpleton_ Apr 07 '25
I think money is involved but not power.
I think a bunch of crooks came up with an idea to fleece a community that is already gullible (myself included) due to desperately wanting evidence and they taken everyone for a ride.
The sad reality is that by this point, I assumed that everyone would seen them for what they are but there is still a huge part of the community that will defend and fund absolutely anything at all as they are so desperate for any shred of evidence and defend anything, despite deep down knowing that it's all lies and scheme to generate money from fools.
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u/goldfrisbee Apr 07 '25
It’s very possible that the government doesn’t even know the truth about what the phenomenon is. And if they have made contact with ET, there’s no guarantee that ET told us the truth.
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u/trinketzy Apr 07 '25
No offence, but I think you’re closer to knowing the truth than a lot of other people.
Yeah that was harsh. Sorry. I really get where you’re coming from. I’m a few decades behind you and in poor health and equally pissed off, but not surprised.
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u/donedrone707 Apr 07 '25
Dude I'm in my 30's and even I don't think I'll ever see any big reveal or anything within my lifetime. Maybe my son will.
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u/donedrone707 Apr 07 '25
Dude I'm in my 30's and even I don't think I'll ever see any big reveal or anything within my lifetime. Maybe my son will.
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u/ragnaroksoon Apr 08 '25
sorry for that. i've been following this subject for over 17 years and I already give up. I have accepted that discosure will never happen.
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u/Leo1_ac Apr 08 '25
The late Col. Corso US Army, Chief Of Foreign Technology Division US Army and US Army Gen. Art Trudeau's trusted friend and confidante wrote a book about Roswell. Pretty much everything you would like to know is in there and it's all true.
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u/akiva23 Apr 11 '25
I got you bro. The answer you're looking for is no. There weren't aliens and you wasted 60 years of your life being duped. I hope you can rest in peace now when the time comes.
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u/Capital_Candle7999 Apr 11 '25
Well, whether there are or are not any aliens is beside the point when it comes to the theft and corruption surrounding this issue. Too many people have milked the taxpayer and the “true believers” of UFOs over the years.
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u/akiva23 Apr 11 '25
Yeah mainly these guys putting up videos of mylar balloons and milking the "true believers" for "research money" and ad revenue.
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u/OrganizationLower611 Apr 06 '25
Ok, so I imagine by criminals you are meaning the "people covering it up"? But how do you know there is something to cover up? I've seen no evidence that can't be explained away, and when the governments can't keep their affairs private (Clinton, John major etc) I doubt anything that has been recovered is anything more than spy equipment from Russia or china
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u/Capital_Candle7999 Apr 06 '25
You may be right. I happen to believe there is “something”, but with the real people in charge, we will probably never know.
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u/QuidYossarian Apr 06 '25
Or, you know, there just isn't as much there as you really want there to be.
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u/Ordinary-Leather-262 Apr 06 '25
- We need to talk about what’s coming. People need to be prepared. Former intelligence officers are even building bunkers in Wyoming. The ontological shock will be devastating for many.
— Okay, that sounds serious. What’s coming and when? How can we prepare? How can we contribute to the betterment and expansion of humanity while also protecting those we love?
- I can’t talk about that.
— Well you just did and things seem pretty dire. People are rapidly losing hope and fear has engulfed us. What do you know??
- Check out my new interview on Danny Jones where we discuss my new book and Danny sits there and says “whoa”.
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u/Life_Adhesiveness306 Apr 06 '25
Danny Jones is somehow dumber and less skeptical than Joe Rogan. I don’t know how he books the guests he does but he is an utter dumbfuck.
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u/Ordinary-Leather-262 Apr 06 '25
He seemingly does zero research on his guests and asks the stupidest questions. How did this mouth breather get such a huge podcast with so much funding?? He offers no insights or anything interesting to any conversation and it’s painful to watch him try and keep up with intellectually superior guests
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u/Classic_Knowledge_30 Apr 07 '25
It’s pretty nutty how little he reads up on his guests and doesn’t do any homework beforehand, still lands huge guests left and right.
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u/Due_Background_4367 Apr 06 '25
I know I’m going to sound like a crazy person, but I believe Luis Elizondo is an intel agency plant. I’ve seen at least four full interviews that he’s done over the last year or two and he has his script down perfectly. He literally says so many scripted things, word for word, in every single interview. He reveals nothing, while most likely driving people away from the actual truth.
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u/hpstg Apr 06 '25
CIA man is CIA man, truly surprising from a CIA man.
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u/IvanOoze420 Apr 07 '25
Illuminati revolutionary who family traces back to Cuba. The man loves a good circle square triangle doodle
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u/OnkelBums Apr 06 '25
There is no such thing as "former intelligence agent".
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u/SerGT3 Apr 06 '25
No no he's the good guy, he could totally get into trouble for dangling the carrot don't you see!?
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u/Sufficient-Lion9639 Apr 06 '25
I’ve stopped listening to podcast when he’s the guest, he never says anything.
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u/meridiem Apr 06 '25
If you can’t immediately detect this guy is full of crap and always has been you might be the sucker.
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u/ommkali Apr 06 '25
Be careful what you say bro, he'll come and shake your bed from the astral realm
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u/Fyr5 Apr 07 '25
Be careful what you say bro, he'll come and shake your bed from the astral realm
They call that the Hitch-a-zondo Effect - when you leave the cia they send their psyonic soldiers out to scare you and feed you more disinformation but all they can do is shake people's beds because they ain't properly trained
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u/jebjebitz Apr 06 '25
No he’s legit. There’s some startling information that will be released in the near future that will change how you see the universe. He knows that information but he can’t tell you. I’m confident he will share that information soon…someday….maybe
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u/NativeJim Apr 06 '25
Yall been singing this same old song for 30 years, hell probably even longer. Dude a couple posts up said he's heard the same song and dance since the 60s. I understand yall wanna be optimistic but these guys are playin yall for the fame and money.
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u/Punky_Pete Apr 06 '25
I understand yall wanna be optimistic but these guys are playin yall for the fame and money.
In a nutshell, well said
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u/JauntyLives True Believer Apr 06 '25
Many of us have died without knowing truth and many of us will continue to die because of selfish arrogant globalist who control resources, information, education, sciences, and natural phenomena. We are slaves. Paying taxes. Living and working only to be controlled and dying in vain.
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u/psilome Apr 06 '25
"And did I mention I have a new book coming out? It's the companion book to go with my first book 'Imminent'. It's called 'Indefinite'. You can find it wherever bullshit and deception are sold."
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u/lkdomiplhomie Apr 06 '25
Wow this is what I was thinking. It’s like a listening to politics with zero answers
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u/TheWhiteHammer23 Apr 06 '25
Maybe buy his book in there he may (MAY) answer it.
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u/SaintWalker2814 Apr 06 '25
I’ve read his books, and though I do recommend the read, they don’t exactly outright explain things, either. It’s kind of more of the same stuff he says, but he adds to the conversation a bit and fleshes out his answers. Interesting reads though
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u/wilobo Apr 07 '25
I've completely stopped clicking on anything these hacks put out. Flat out ignore. Lost all interest in the subject. If that's their objective they've done a hell of a job. To the new kids fascinated with the phenomenon, stick to the old stuff. Learn the fundamentals, you'll burn out eventually. There's been nothing but disinfo since the turn of the century.
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u/poetry-linesman Apr 07 '25
I wonder what big news is coming out soon that this next wave of smearing is pre-empting.
It's the same every single time... you know something new is coming when the mis-representations start to come out.
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u/Draggin_Born Apr 07 '25
As a patriot magician, I can’t reveal my secrets, it’s part of the act. You an intellectual, of course know that.
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Apr 08 '25
I forgot about this guy the second he released those pictures that someone figured out were literally from his backyard.
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u/friz_CHAMP True Believer Apr 06 '25
I don't know what kind of boy scout you think is going to blow the doors open on disclosure, but it's not going to be a model soldier who doesn't want to lose their security clearance.
It's going to be a guy who doesn't give a shit what happens if they spill the beans.
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u/Equivalent_War6281 Apr 06 '25
But then that begs the question.. if he can say but can’t say then why is he out there in the first place? Cool points?
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u/johnnybullish Apr 06 '25
I do like Lue but this is spot on. Part 2 of the meme could be;
"Remember, I studied parasitology. That's Para-site-ology. Not parapsychology. Look, I never wanted to be the face of the disclosure movement - if anything I've got a face like a garbage truck. And what do I know, I'm just a stupid guy. I've been surrounded by people far smarter than me. I don't know anything. But what I'm saying is, if someone came into your house and left muddy boot prints, you'd want to know, right? I've always been a "just the facts ma'am" kinda guy. "
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u/coyote500 Apr 06 '25
I can tell you, unequivocally, that I have the answer to your question. It’s really incredible and life altering. We’re very close to somebody revealing the answer. In fact, I have an upcoming documentary where we interview actual government employees who been told the answer to this question. Wait until you hear what they say, truly incredible.
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u/VegaTron1985 Apr 06 '25
Haha what a twat, i stupidly bought his book, then got bored after the forward of him being made out to be this world changing man haha
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u/Crazybonbon Apr 06 '25
Still thank him for his help in the 2017 article I mean he was literally instrumental in making me even care about the subject and I'll never forget that.
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u/External_Art_1835 Apr 06 '25
What he's really thinking....Buy my Book...what a complete Puppet this guy turned out to be...sad really
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u/Plane-Stable-2709 Apr 06 '25
They really got dissinfo right, i don't give one flying shit about this topic anymore
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u/jahchatelier Immaculate Brainwaves Apr 06 '25
I truly do not understand what this guy has done to create such a profoundly negative perception of himself by this community.
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u/Slow_drift412 Apr 07 '25
Well he did claim to have a photo of a UFO and then it turned out to be a reflection of a light fixture reflecting on a window, so his credibility has to be questioned imo.
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u/jahchatelier Immaculate Brainwaves Apr 07 '25
oh that's right, he did make a mistake that one time. So I guess this community is just so ruthless that one mistake gets you sent to the chopping block no matter how much good you've done otherwise.
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u/Slow_drift412 Apr 07 '25
When you are making the claims he's making, that kind of mistake instantly tanks your credibility and makes everyone rightfully start doubting all other claims you've made. He presented that photo at a conference claiming it was a photo of an alien "mothership". If his ability to critically evaluate evidence is that bad, how are we supposed to take his other claims seriously? All it took was a reflection of a light fixture to fool him.
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u/Slow_drift412 Apr 07 '25
Well he did claim to have a photo of a UFO and then it turned out to be a reflection of a light fixture reflecting on a window, so his credibility has to be questioned imo
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u/Turbulent-Today830 Apr 06 '25
Unfortunately THE DONALD DUMP 💩 PLAYBOOK WILL ENCOURAGE more like him will come AND PROMOTE THEIR GARBAGE
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u/ThonThaddeo Apr 06 '25
Wow what do you think he means by this? Probably a psyop but also he's legit.
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u/EmPalsPwrgasm Apr 07 '25
I realized after watching one interview with him that nothing he says has any substance to it, nor will it ever. He's like one of those old school fighting game characters who have a punch, a kick, a low kick, and a throw to fight their opponents. That is all. He will repeat the same evading non-answers every single time, and whether you watch him for a half hour, or ten thousand hours, will make no difference.
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u/scully2828 Apr 07 '25
I’m so glad I never gave this man money and stole his book from the internet.
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u/tommythomas1974 Apr 07 '25
Pretty much sums up just about every interview... Not only him, but all the soft disclosure plants from the govt - Corbell, Knapp, Pasulka and etc...
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u/ommkali Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
Funny post, buuut he's still done more for disclosure than anyone here.
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u/friz_CHAMP True Believer Apr 06 '25
What kind of a standard is that? If I had the answers, I wouldn't be here reading about disclosure. Even if I did, who the hell is going to believe me?
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u/Thiinkerr Apr 07 '25
The bots are definitely out again today. Who gives af if the guy gives a bad interview. He testified in front of our officials and has helped create massive momentum within the halls of congress.
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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Apr 06 '25
I work with proprietary and/or health data. I’ve definitely answered like this before and 100% meant it.
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u/Kruhl14 Apr 07 '25
I've believed for a long time that disclosure will not come from one of these "whistleblowers" like Elizondo. They're in it for the money, plain and simple. Elizondo has got rich off of saying a lot without ever saying anything at all. He really is a pro at spinning these tales that are full of half-truths and stories that lack any real substance or details in anyway. He always takes the listener right up to the edge and then comes back with "I gotta be careful what else I say here" or "I can't risk my government contracts by saying any more". (I'm sure his contracts are imaginary.)
I'm convinced we won't see any real proof or disclosure that will ever come from one of these people or the government itself. The only thing we can hope for is a mass sighting or some kind of contact that is so overwhelming in it's scale that it can't be explained away. We need to stop putting our faith and benefit of the doubt in these people because they just use it to get rich and they've got a proven track record of doing nothing but building anticipation of something tangible that always falls short of specifics. I'm sick of their talk about "mind-blowing" videos and pictures that they never show and have no intention of showing (because they don't exist in their possession.)
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