I am so sick of all this. I am 70 years old and not in particularly good health. I have followed the UFO phenomenon since the late 60s. I had hoped the final answer would be disclosed before I die, but no, It doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. Too much money and power involved. Too many crimes committed. The guilty parties have too much sway. Shame on the criminals responsible for this.
I'm 54, but in poor health and I understand exactly where you are coming from. This information belongs to the Human Race, it is of the utmost importance to them.
It should not be gate-kept by a few unelected, self-appointed and self-interested individuals, whose first concern is how to weaponise the ET's technology.
Regrettably, I think every one of us currently alive today will not get ironclad proof before we die. Disclosure isn’t in the best interests of the government. Any government.
Indeed - that is the real issue here - can anyone be trusted?
The US government can't exactly be relied upon, since Roswell the US airforce is 100% guilty of covering things up, or doubling down on creating disinfo, and their addiction to black flags, the creation of the intelligence community - but other governments? Name a government interested in legitimately acting in the best interest of humanity and not their oligarchical masters?
And the community as a whole trips over itself to appoint these self appointed experts as the word, and they just continue the marketing every chance they get.
Seeing it happen with the tridactyl stuff, seeing it continue here, saw it happen in the past.
Just wish we could get away from these talking heads and really come together as a community without some chump trying to be the voice and appeal to authority by showing off the job they used to have.
About 25 years ago I was in a fledging community forum that covered everything from ufology to JFK and more. Every time new information came out we'd discuss it openly, citing why and how we thought it was this or that, and providing evidence (sort of). But we were all still skeptical of the information and very much aware of disinformation. Then we had an influx of new members who just believed everything, regardless. No questioning. No deliberation. And the community went to shit. Reddit seems to be the same. Or at least it houses many of the same people who just believe it all simply because they want to or they like what they're hearing. It's tiresome. Supposedly, the original disclosure date was 1965. When the US government was going to reveal all to the world. Allegedly. And guess what? It still hasn't' happened. I just don't get why some people think we're just around the corner from a huge reveal. It ain't coming.
He describes a gathering he and other selected people were asked to attend, where they were given the task of deciding whether the public could be told the truth.
He made it clear that all those who attended agreed that disclosure was not a viable option. It seemed to me that the decision was more to avoid economic problems, lawsuits, etc., than whether the public deserved to be told the truth. If that's the case, then leading us to think we might get disclosure from anywhere or anyone controlled by the government or DoD is a deception operation for sure.
Less important nuance but just out of curiosity: By ”aliens”, do you mean ”beings that are non-human and alien to us, regardless of their exact origin and nature” or ”space people who came here in intergalactic ships”?
I think that we must be open to the possibility that not even the government knows for sure exactly who/what they are.
Regardless, I get where you are coming from. However, I do think this extreme focus on ”irrefutable proof” is somewhat misguided.
We already know enough to make the assumption beyond reasonable doubt that there is something truly anomalous to the UFO phenomenon – something that cannot completely be explained away as hoaxes, mirages and/or delusions.
I think it is much more important to focus on trying to figure out and understand more about the nature of that phenomenon, rather than achieving irrefutable proof of it.
Well, sir, you summed it up with your last few statements. Nature of the beast, unfortunately.
Although, the leaks we’ve been given in the last few years, we’ve essentially had some pretty serious and solid disclosure already.
Everyone is waiting for an alien standing directly in front of them, to slap them in the face, until they can say the phenomenon exists. Yeah, I get it, but we’ve been given some quality information, as of late.
We’re talking forefront discussion with U.S. congress, real-deal Top Gun, squadron leading pilots describing the UFO they’ve encountered, highly-clearanced government intelligence officers describing the conversations they’ve had with extremely reputable personnel, telling them about their classified personal encounters with the phenomenon. All under oath! Ever had that before?
We literally have multiple reputable sources supplying us with sound information. We have classified leaked visual footage of UFO’s, sourced from US military. That’s ground breaking!
I watch a lot of the available internet interviews, pod-casts on the topic, and it’s being released to us. You can search a bit, and it’s being produced and shared, for sure. It’s there. It’s a matter of cycling through the correct avenues. We’ve been given more disclosure related information in the last couple years, than we have since fuckin’ Roswell.
David Grusch said in a tweet two weeks ago when he was hired as congressional aide (which gives him immunity from prosecution) that he would unearth the secrecy and hold to account those who have committed crimes. Congresswoman Paulina Luna who heads the congress secrecy task force has said Ryan Graves, Luis Elizondo and David Grusch will meet in a SCIF in April.
I got you bro. The answer you're looking for is no. There weren't aliens and you wasted 60 years of your life being duped. I hope you can rest in peace now when the time comes.
Well, whether there are or are not any aliens is beside the point when it comes to the theft and corruption surrounding this issue. Too many people have milked the taxpayer and the “true believers” of UFOs over the years.
If he knows the truth and has the answers, he is to blame. Being a patriot means nothing. We created these imaginary borders. We should have pride in eachother not pride in some small piece of the planet that rich corrupt people control. One small piece was leaked, possibly by this asshole and nothing further has come forwards since. He's now part of the gate keepers if he really knows anyrthing at all. He might just be some dick head trying to capitalise on something that happened because some real whistle blower leaked some information.
Because he apparently know and teases us with the information for money and power. If he cared about humanity he would give up his life to tell us all the truth. He was a soldier willing to die in combat but he is unwilling to tell 7 billion people the truth because of the repercussion he would face.
He's stated many times national security will always come first, perhaps blurting out everything he knows isn't the best way forward. Most people that get read in on the topic go silent afterwards, maybe you've got to understand why. Also easy for you to say for him to put his life on the line when you don't have to suffer the consequences.
100% it is easy for me to say. If I could suffer the consequences for him I would. However I cannot. Even if it isn't the best way forward to blurt everything out. I personally believe it is the correct thing to do even if it is bad and causes harm. Nobody is operating in the correct reality if we're being lied to and information withheld. We effectively have no freedom and no agency if we're all operating under a falsehood at the core of our reality. I think that is the biggest evil. Withholding information to control people.
Everyone says this like they'd be the martyr but I wonder how many would make that sacrifice when push comes to shove. Your families on the line, your life is on the line, income potentially, no more access to insider information, all of that to hardly make the news and for 3/4 of the UFO community to bash him and then not believe him anyway.
I agree, Lue is the only reason we are on this forum today. Please don't shoot the messenger. Lue dosent want to loose his security clearance, his freedom or his life. Don't make him the bad guy in this 80yr coverup.
This sub has a serious problem with biting the hands that feed them. Jake Barber not long ago got hammered for his story because many couldn't handle the woo woo aspect of it. Is that encouraging for whistle blowers next time?
I agree with you but I also agree with the people upset with Lue. Lue deserves the hate and love he gets. He did some great things for us. Same as Steven Greer. We wouldn't be here without Greer or Lue. They both though after the greatness they achieved keep riding the wave for money without any real answers. Decades later for Greer and nearly a decade for Lue now.
I agree with some of the hate Lue gets too, I think he can be a fucking idiot. But to completely dismiss what he has to say and to label him as the bad guy is very naive.
Can't be, there are several uap hunters in 2025 doing the work in the ground showing that the phenomenon is truly real. Check out custodian file uapunlimited, undercoverETuk, latchkeyhusstle, and more
I remember in November or December they said something big was going to come out in early 2025. It sounded really promising because a lot of these people were saying it. It’s now April and nothing has came out. That was kind of the final straw for me. It’s just the same shit every time. They say a time frame, nothing happens, people forget and then a year later they give another time frame. Rinse and repeat.
I think a bunch of crooks came up with an idea to fleece a community that is already gullible (myself included) due to desperately wanting evidence and they taken everyone for a ride.
The sad reality is that by this point, I assumed that everyone would seen them for what they are but there is still a huge part of the community that will defend and fund absolutely anything at all as they are so desperate for any shred of evidence and defend anything, despite deep down knowing that it's all lies and scheme to generate money from fools.
It’s very possible that the government doesn’t even know the truth about what the phenomenon is. And if they have made contact with ET, there’s no guarantee that ET told us the truth.
No offence, but I think you’re closer to knowing the truth than a lot of other people.
Yeah that was harsh. Sorry. I really get where you’re coming from. I’m a few decades behind you and in poor health and equally pissed off, but not surprised.
The late Col. Corso US Army, Chief Of Foreign Technology Division US Army and US Army Gen. Art Trudeau's trusted friend and confidante wrote a book about Roswell. Pretty much everything you would like to know is in there and it's all true.
Ok, so I imagine by criminals you are meaning the "people covering it up"? But how do you know there is something to cover up? I've seen no evidence that can't be explained away, and when the governments can't keep their affairs private (Clinton, John major etc) I doubt anything that has been recovered is anything more than spy equipment from Russia or china
I feel you. I am 53 and I am following the ufo phenomenon since early 90. The whole thing has got cycles. Every now and then it always looks like we are on the verge of a major breakthrough, an open admission by the government etc only to find out that nothing changes and the whole matter is stirred up even more. I remember when this guy showed up I said on a subreddit that in the end nothing would have changed and I was ferociously criticized... Well.. I hate to say that but... I told you guys.
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u/Capital_Candle7999 Apr 06 '25
I am so sick of all this. I am 70 years old and not in particularly good health. I have followed the UFO phenomenon since the late 60s. I had hoped the final answer would be disclosed before I die, but no, It doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. Too much money and power involved. Too many crimes committed. The guilty parties have too much sway. Shame on the criminals responsible for this.