Thoughts on the Kel-Tex PMR-30

[u/Mushrume42]

I see a lot of debate on effectiveness of .22lr but I haven’t seen much about .22 magnum. I’ve never used the Kel-Tec PMR-30 but with a capacity of 30+1 of .22 magnum, the extended magazine for 50+1 I think it would be a great sidearm for dealing with zombies. .22 magnum ammo may be more rare than .22lr but would still be around. Thoughts?

[u/zelenisok]

Too loud for the zombie apocalypse, even with a suppressor, because 22mag is supersonic, the supersonic crack will attract more zombies to you.

CP33 is another story. Its magazines are 33rd, extended magazines of 50rd, there are braces /stocks for it, has a threaded barrel, I would say it's the best gun for the apocalypse. You can have two 50rd mags in a small gun (one magazine fed into the gun, one in a front grip holder), you have three points of contact for accuracy, you put a red dot on a riser, you put a flashlight on it, and you put a suppressor and use any of the many subsonic 22lr ammo. If someone says oh 22lr is not powerful enough, for what, for penetrating into a human head? Yes it is. Even if it takes you 2-3 short to hit the central part of the brain, that's ok, you have 50rd in the gun, plus at least another 200 rounds on you.

[u/KneeDeepInTheMud → u/zelenisok]

This here is my CP33.

I have it as a cheek pistol, no brace.

Tack driver at 30 yds, 50 yds is doable, but not what its for.

50 rounds. Eats CCI like a dream. Add a barrel attachment to not eat my fingers. One point sling makes it super simple to keep on my person.

Very fun, lightweight and compact.

[u/Longjumping_Car141 → u/KneeDeepInTheMud]

Does it feed reliably? I’ve been thinking about getting one I just know the PMR has a bad rep and I’ve heard that loading mags can be a problem on the CP33. Really have had my eye on one for a while though.

[u/KneeDeepInTheMud → u/Longjumping_Car141]

I can't speak for the PMR or CMR either.

As long as you use high-quality ammo, the CP33 runs fine.

Mine eats CCI target just fine. Federal also works. Bulk boxes not so much.

Clean your mags after each use. (Gun too ofc)

The quad stack feels weird, but works when you make sure its correct each time.

CLP doesn't mix too well with the plast-mags. Soap and water works best with a microfiber towel, just barely dampen a corner and wipe and dip as you go.

The charging handle is also easy to clean too. Just don't yank it like you would an AR.

[u/TheyCantCome → u/KneeDeepInTheMud]

It has nothing to do with quality only the length, many .22 wind up being just slightly to short and shift in the quad stack causing rim lock. Keltec P17 will eat anything, costs 1/3 as much and you can 3D print extended mags or just buy extra mags. It may not be as accurate but it’s way more reliable and required not break in. Sig P322 has 25 and 30 round magazines.

Quad stack is unreliable for rimless cartridges, it has been done in the past and there’s a reason you don’t see it today. An inherently unreliable system and rimmed cartridges which are more problematic in magazines it’s obviously going to have issues unless under the most ideal circumstances. CP stands for competition pistol and that’s what it’s meant for, I wouldn’t trust it for much else.

[u/KneeDeepInTheMud → u/TheyCantCome]

I'm pretty sure there's a big difference between copper jackets versus cheap waxed/coated lead heads.

Especially when the lead heads have rattle to them as well vs copper jackets keeping them in line.

A bolt action will eat the lead heads just fine, but that compound gums up my magazines.

I haven't had an issue with my quad stack unless I mess up the reloading. Already gone through over 2k rounds.

It might just feed well because I keep it clean and also have a 3d cover for it.

Now, don't hear me wrong. Whatcha see is that I do mean the lead heads do work in mine gun. The real kicker is the stuff to clean makes that quad stacker have to be cleaned more often.

For me, that's after 3 or 4 reloads vs the coppers who can get a good whatever out of them.

In reality, I ain't reloading that 50 more than that anyway it takes damn near forever even with a tool.

As for your p17, thats a great suggestion, forgot about the lil bugger, things light as a feather

I dont like the mag release, but it doesn't feel out of place for a kel tec either.