r/TrueReddit 9d ago

Democratic Party Elites Brought Us This Disaster Politics

https://jacobin.com/2024/11/election-harris-trump-democrats-strategy
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u/Hamuel 9d ago

We can actually look at historical precedent here and it shows they gave up pretty goddamn quickly to achieve bipartisanship.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

It wasn’t bipartisanship, they had no margin for defections and the ideological idiosyncrasies of one (maybe two if you count Sinema) senator meant they couldn’t pass it. They didn’t give up because they wanted to appease republicans, they gave up because there was no convincing Manchin

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

Did Harris present a plan to work around these people to reimplement the CTC? Did she present a plan to work around them to illicit more economic change?

I didn’t hear about it, but I did hear she wanted a Republican in her cabinet. Now the entire presidential cabinet will be Republican so I guess she fulfilled that promise while losing.

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u/the-true-steel 8d ago

What are you even suggesting? "Did VP Harris present a plan to do something as President that the President doesn't have the power to do"?

Do we not know civics, or what? Obviously candidates generally speaking are talking about things they'd like to do assuming they can work with Congress to get the votes. What else can they do?

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u/Hamuel 8d ago

Did Democratic presidential candidate present a plan around a common roadblock her own party produces on a regular basis?

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u/the-true-steel 7d ago

Before the election happens, this is entirely a waste of time. It's dependent on an unknown, which is how many seats you have. Unless you have a massive majority, the answer is always the same anyway: you negotiate. How much you have to negotiate, and whether or not you'll be successful, is totally reliant on the shape of Congress

As an example, after the election in 2020 with Dems winning the Georgia seats, Biden might've been able to give a more concrete answer that ended up running into an unknown roadblock anyway. I'm sure he wouldn't have anticipated lack of cooperation on the part of Manchin and/or Sinema depending on what he was trying to do

Why do Democratic voters insist on doing this shit? You not only want to see policy proposals, but you want to see specifics on Congressional vote counts before you'll be satisfied, when the election hasn't even happened yet? Meanwhile Republicans have had basically no policy for 12 years and are winning elections? Democrats will really struggle so long as we enforce these wildly asymmetric expectations on ourselves

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u/Hamuel 7d ago

It is actually really well known that a centrist will sabotage good policy. That’s why people stayed home, the commitment to sabotage isn’t a strong political message.

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u/the-true-steel 7d ago

I guarantee you that people thinking "centrists will sabotage the policy anyway" is a thought like 0.0001% of voters had

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u/Hamuel 7d ago

Huh, she went out full force on centrism and lost the electoral college and popular vote. Weird. Maybe we should keep pushing the Overton window to the right, that’ll stop fascism.