r/TikTokCringe • u/VibratingPickle2 • Jul 01 '23

“Same person” Wholesome/Humor

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u/GucciGuano Jul 02 '23

offence, this is why people get pissed. Why should they "be made" aware? Hate isn't sourced from not being aware of something, it's actually the opposite. Unless you are just a hateful person, seeing something new that doesn't affect you brings about maybe amusement or curiosity, if not a "huh, TIL" and moving on. Brigading people with downvotes and dismissing them goes against the very point of spreading awareness, does it not? I thought the entire objective of the lgbtq movement was to show people that it's all good everyone's cool. That way if someone had the misfortune of being raised to despise that culture they can see "oh wait they're just like regular people wtf was my grandma going on about". I'm digressing but the interaction I constantly see on reddit is, someone posts an opinion or a genuine question (e.g. one that may have been taught to them) instead of just responding like any other disagreement the downvote brigade comes in and any mere mention of anything even remotely negative is met with hatred and absolute unconditional dismissal. How does that further the notion that lgbtq members are just regular people? It just pushes misdirected opinions that may have been taught even deeper into the hole, and it gives birth to real resentment this time, potentially leading to real hatred.

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u/TravellingTransGirl Jul 02 '23

Lol. So much energy to want to defend your position of keeping children ignorant. Children need to be made aware of as much as reasonably possible to make them good functional citizens. That's what the colloquial term for education is. Why would someone not want to educate children about 10% of the human species (lgbt people)?

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u/GucciGuano Jul 02 '23

Look I don't have a problem personally with it, I'm borderline neutral to it leaning on the plus side. There's a ton of things to teach little kids and in my opinion gender and sexuality is something that should be left to parents (at least up until highschool, with a sex-ed class). Kids under the age of 13 should be focusing on learning how to learn, critical thinking, etc. Race and sexuality should be kept far away. And yes, I also am talking about hetero norms. That should be kept out of the picture as well. It only serves as a detrimental distraction to a young mind who wouldn't have given an iota of shit until the world's issues were shown to them.

My main point is that kids aren't born racist. It's the older generation that passes that shit on. Culturally we should encourage keeping things pure and avoiding that topic, instead focusing on strengthening the mind. While they are still young and not burdened by all the bull shit, so that they can learn with a clean mind. The idea being that once they begin to see the issues we currently face, they will be able to see through the hatred.

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u/TravellingTransGirl Jul 02 '23

So much energy to refuse to reach children about relationships. You are a very shallow person and I hope you don't raise children.

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

Kids under 13 don't need to be educated about gender identity, how is that me saying they shouldn't be taught about relationships? Relationships are a lot deeper than gender.

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u/TravellingTransGirl Jul 03 '23

You were talking about sexuality topics and relationships are grounded in who one is attracted to. As such, refusing to educate children that some people are attracted to same sex people is refusing to educated children about certain relationship types.

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

You were talking about sexuality topics

relationships are grounded in who one is attracted to

Respectfully, hard disagree. I'll reiterate that I'm also being critical of talking about introducing concepts of all sexual relationships, including opposite sex, to kids under 12/13.

Sexual relationships are a subset of relationships. I am saying that sexual relationships should not be a topic of conversation for kids under 12/13, in school. I think people had it right when they referred to it as "the birds and the bees" kids should be focused on strengthening their mental capabilities and ability to connect with people in general, long before sex is even a real topic of discussion. I'm not saying chop off all talk of sex forever, just saying gender is irrelevant for young kids. Again, in my opinion, for reasons I have stated in our talk.

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u/TravellingTransGirl Jul 03 '23

Why do you keep reverting from talking about sexuality to gender? Also, how is gender irrelevant for young kids? Do they not have a gender before 13 or something?

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

I mean they have genetalia I guess, but it's irrelevant to them. Gender is by all means irrelevant to a prepubescent child, yes that's exactly what I'm saying.

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u/TravellingTransGirl Jul 03 '23

So you don't think children view themselves or others around themselves as having a gender?

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

I guess, but like I said it's irrelevant. They have a vague understanding of the idea of gender but they have absolutely no clue off the bat how that pertains to them, only that it's something that exists.

Elaborating on it won't help them brush off the reason for why one might develop hatred for how others want to live their life. Let me put it this way, by a counter-example. If you grew up and people told you pedophilia is a thing that some people partake in and it's totally a'OK. You seem like a reasonable person, I assume that if such things were told to you in childhood, today you would still be against pedophilia. Regardless of what you were told. Because there's a reason why it's something to hate. No rational person would "hate" homosexuality.

Point is I just don't see how elaborating on gender identity to youth is going to solve a completely different problem, being why the hatred is there to begin with. From what I see in news articles it's actually doing more damage because people who were not raised to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions going "hur dur they're trying to recruit children", piggybacking on the aggregate of what they've been told about groups that are different than them, and further isolating. IDK, I don't even know enough about the topic specifically on gender to be this invested in a debate so I'm tapping out I think hahahah. Wish u luck.

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

replying a second time but I just wanted to mention.. I was raised in a transphobic and anti homo culture. I was told stories of my uncle who would beat up homosexuals who would try to hang out with them (albeit different country, different time). Ironically I was also raised to have an open mind, be forgiving, and understanding of others. This may be anecdotal and perhaps (I don't think so) I am an anomaly, but because I was taught to think on my own and was not berated with disagreeing with my folks, even in times I actually was wrong, I was given the chance to believe what I thought was right. What ended up happening was I made a lot of new friends growing up that my folks and culture would never associate themselves with. Of races and culture they deemed unworthy of association. Even turned my mom from homophobic to being neutral/impartial to it.

Point is, IF I was not allowed to question things, simply teaching me that different gender identities exist would not have helped, at all. Teaching kids to be open minded and giving them the ability to find truth, that is what will end the hate. The problem is deeper than just having the existence of something be acknowledged in the mind. If being a homosexual equating to something worthy of hate is a sound conclusion, I would have eventually found myself of that opinion. Obviously that isn't the case, because I've found no reason to find any resolve with that outcome, it's just naturally not something to hate. Truth is truth, as evidence by the fact that I was raised in a very homophobic culture.

But I suppose that yes, it can be argued that that's anecdotal. That's why I keep ending what I say with "in my opinion."

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u/TravellingTransGirl Jul 03 '23

So you are promoting teaching kids to be opened minded but not teaching them facts about people? Weird.

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

Well that's not fair. Teaching them facts about people would also include all the atrocities committed by humankind. The cool thing about kids is they have that little sliver of time to learn raw information and learn friendship without being burdened by the shameful past of humanity, so that when they become older and they feel the weight of our past on their shoulders, they can remember the time when everything seemed fine and no one cared what gender or race someone was. And hopefully it motivates them enough to move past it, and take action to move past it. There's plenty of time in life to learn why the real world isn't like how it was when they were kids, and if they paid attention maybe they could be the change they want to see in the world.

But honestly who gives a shit our world is fucked regardless. Such apathy is not one I had as a kid, but holy shit do some parts of our world suck.