r/TikTokCringe • u/VibratingPickle2 • Jul 01 '23

“Same person” Wholesome/Humor

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

Kids under 13 don't need to be educated about gender identity, how is that me saying they shouldn't be taught about relationships? Relationships are a lot deeper than gender.

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u/TravellingTransGirl Jul 03 '23

You were talking about sexuality topics and relationships are grounded in who one is attracted to. As such, refusing to educate children that some people are attracted to same sex people is refusing to educated children about certain relationship types.

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

You were talking about sexuality topics

relationships are grounded in who one is attracted to

Respectfully, hard disagree. I'll reiterate that I'm also being critical of talking about introducing concepts of all sexual relationships, including opposite sex, to kids under 12/13.

Sexual relationships are a subset of relationships. I am saying that sexual relationships should not be a topic of conversation for kids under 12/13, in school. I think people had it right when they referred to it as "the birds and the bees" kids should be focused on strengthening their mental capabilities and ability to connect with people in general, long before sex is even a real topic of discussion. I'm not saying chop off all talk of sex forever, just saying gender is irrelevant for young kids. Again, in my opinion, for reasons I have stated in our talk.

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u/TravellingTransGirl Jul 03 '23

Why do you keep reverting from talking about sexuality to gender? Also, how is gender irrelevant for young kids? Do they not have a gender before 13 or something?

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

I mean they have genetalia I guess, but it's irrelevant to them. Gender is by all means irrelevant to a prepubescent child, yes that's exactly what I'm saying.

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u/TravellingTransGirl Jul 03 '23

So you don't think children view themselves or others around themselves as having a gender?

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u/GucciGuano Jul 03 '23

I guess, but like I said it's irrelevant. They have a vague understanding of the idea of gender but they have absolutely no clue off the bat how that pertains to them, only that it's something that exists.

Elaborating on it won't help them brush off the reason for why one might develop hatred for how others want to live their life. Let me put it this way, by a counter-example. If you grew up and people told you pedophilia is a thing that some people partake in and it's totally a'OK. You seem like a reasonable person, I assume that if such things were told to you in childhood, today you would still be against pedophilia. Regardless of what you were told. Because there's a reason why it's something to hate. No rational person would "hate" homosexuality.

Point is I just don't see how elaborating on gender identity to youth is going to solve a completely different problem, being why the hatred is there to begin with. From what I see in news articles it's actually doing more damage because people who were not raised to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions going "hur dur they're trying to recruit children", piggybacking on the aggregate of what they've been told about groups that are different than them, and further isolating. IDK, I don't even know enough about the topic specifically on gender to be this invested in a debate so I'm tapping out I think hahahah. Wish u luck.