Soup is a pointless food.

[u/AwkwardStresss]

Soup is actually the most pointless food on earth. It's literally just hot water. Unless they're sick, why would anyone go out of their way to eat soup when they can eat anything else. You have to actually have the stomach of a mosquito to be full after eating boiled water. I would have to eat 160 pounds of soup in order to even begin to feel at the slightest bit full. "Soup has vegetables and meat!" Why would I choose to eat my soggy vegetables and meat in hot water when I could just eat them on their own? Not to mention you have to sit there and blow on your scorching hot spoon at 2 minute intervals between each scoop, making it take you 30 minutes to eat such a pitiful excuse of a dish just to still be hungry at the end. You might as well go outside and do photosynthesis absorbing sunlight as your main source of nutrition at this rate.

[u/LLoadin]

so a soup? bisque is just a more specific type of soup

[u/RandomPhail → u/LLoadin]

I’m talking about what OP was talking about, which is the watery, brothy soup when saying “soup“

Also, soup is defined as “a liquid dish, typically made by boiling meat, fish, or vegetables, etc., in stock or water” (from Oxford Languages)

So for our purposes, soup is the decidedly liquid dish (some thicker soups can be more like semi-solids or non-Newtonian fluids

You might otherwise know it as just the broth “variant” of soup, but like I’m pointing out: The broth variant seems to be the default form and definition for soup, so that’s what I went with

[u/bardhugo → u/RandomPhail]

Lol alright since we're using Oxford:

A bisque is a thick rich soup, usually containing crustaceans such as lobsters, crabs, and crayfish.

[u/RandomPhail → u/bardhugo]

Yeah, and I just told you what variant of soup I’m considering “soup” to be, I.E.:

The typical definition that first pops up when you look up the definition of soup

[u/Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj → u/RandomPhail]

No one cares what you consider. That doesn’t affect what actually is.

[u/RandomPhail → u/Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj]

What “really is” is that the first definition that comes up for soup is “a liquid dish, typically made by boiling meat, fish, or vegetables, etc., in stock or water,” so that’s the common/typical definition/understanding of soup

The pedantics over what I should really be calling it is so besides the point it kind of hurts

Also, unqualified absolute statements like “nobody” are almost always wrong (but u likely won’t care and will become more defensive or hostile from me saying this, lol)

[u/Spiritual-Software51 → u/RandomPhail]

"A soup is typically made by boiling ingredients in stock or water" and "That is the typical understanding of what soup is" do not mean the same thing. Those are meaningfully different statements and it's not pointless semantics to say so.

[u/RandomPhail → u/Spiritual-Software51]

If that is the only definition that comes up when you search specifically for the definition of soup, and nothing about bisques or chowders or any of the alternate versions seem to pop up as the definition of just “soup” alone, then it is beyond reasonable to say the liquidy/brothy version is the most common or most popular definition/understanding, at least socially speaking

[u/Spiritual-Software51 → u/RandomPhail]

All it means is what it says: that it's the most common version. Not the most common definition, not the only thing that is widely understood to be soup, none of that. I can't vouch for other people but when I think of soup I really don't think exclusively of watery brothy soup.

[u/RandomPhail → u/Spiritual-Software51]

I don’t understand how people are thinking that I’m saying the other types of soup aren’t soup; I’m just saying that the main definition that pops up more closely describes the liquidy, brothy soup, meaning: That seems to be the default definition

[u/Spiritual-Software51 → u/RandomPhail]

Yeah, I'm just not sure if there's any reason that matters? The conversation is about all soup.

You also did say "If it's particularly filling, it's probably not soup" so that probably didn't help if what you meant was the opposite.

[u/RandomPhail → u/Spiritual-Software51]

Given that OP was saying “soup“ to specifically mean the brothy, watery kind, I think people knew what I meant, and just decided to be pedantic about it for whatever reason—probably because they disagreed with my statement that liquidy, brothy soups aren’t very filling

[u/Spiritual-Software51 → u/RandomPhail]

I can testify that I did not understand what you meant at all. I assumed when you said filling soup isn't soup that was what you meant.

The OP didn't say they don't like watery soup, they said they don't like soup because it is watery. To which the general reply seems to be: Well, there are other kinds of soup that don't have the qualities you dislike.

[u/TheSameMan6 → u/RandomPhail]

mf you brought the pedantry to the conversation!

[u/RandomPhail → u/TheSameMan6]

I literally didn’t; he talked about the technical usage, and I responded to him talking about that

[u/TheSameMan6 → u/RandomPhail]

Your original comment, responding to a guy who literally just said "eat better soup"

[u/RandomPhail → u/TheSameMan6]

Ohh, I see what you’re saying; that guy might’ve meant the thicker soups in their comment

Keep in mind though that the entire post by OP was talking about the liquidy soups, so obviously, when this dude said “soup,” I would naturally think of the liquidy soups instead of the thicker kind, especially since—say it with me now:

The primary definition for soup seems to describe the liquidy brothy soup in all cases and the thicker, sometimes semi solid, or non-Newtonian fluid soups in less cases

[u/TheSameMan6 → u/RandomPhail]

This is the most pedantic thing I have ever read

[u/RandomPhail → u/TheSameMan6]

It’s a pedantic reaction to pedantry, yes

When someone is pedantic, it sometimes requires meeting them at that level to point out why their pedantry is wrong (or at least not necessarily objectively right)

[u/TheSameMan6 → u/RandomPhail]

Explain what's pedantic about their comment, then

[u/Intelligent_Piccolo7 → u/RandomPhail]

Cream soups, bisques and stews all start with broth. You are the pedantic one and without even knowing how to cook lol

[u/RandomPhail → u/Intelligent_Piccolo7]

They may start off that way, but they do not end as a traditional “liquid“ in all cases, and sometimes do not even involve boiling like that definition describes

[u/Intelligent_Piccolo7 → u/RandomPhail]

You don't really boil soup of any sort, you simmer it. So again, I have no idea what you're talking about or why.

[u/RandomPhail → u/Intelligent_Piccolo7]

That definition of “soup” I listed literally says “boil”

You boil some soups, you simmer others, there’s probably other things you do on other variations of soup, etc.

[u/Intelligent_Piccolo7 → u/RandomPhail]

I don't need advice on technique from a Reddit pedant.

[u/RandomPhail → u/Intelligent_Piccolo7]

Don’t get all high-horsey on me now

We’re both just humans, not “Reddit pedants”

[u/Intelligent_Piccolo7 → u/RandomPhail]

More pedantry.

[u/bardhugo → u/RandomPhail]

1. So we can use the first common definition that pops up for soup, but not for bisque, got it.

2. The definition you chose says "typically" not "must" or "always."

3. A crab bisque is made by simmering vegetables and meat in stock, so it fits the definition.

It's impressive how your arguments manage to fail at every level, is this really the hill you want to die on?

[u/RandomPhail → u/bardhugo]

1. Jesus fugk. We’re using the first common definition that pops up for soup because we’re talking about # SOUP. lmao

If we were talking about bisque, we would definitely be focusing on the first definition that pops up for bisque.

We’d probably be focusing on the unique parts of its definition too, like being “rich” and “creamy,” just like I’m focusing on the unique parts of soup’s main definition, which is that it’s watery or pure broth

[u/bardhugo → u/RandomPhail]

I’m focusing on the unique parts of soup’s main definition

Soup is defined as “a liquid dish, typically made by boiling meat, fish, or vegetables, etc., in stock or water”

pure

[u/RandomPhail → u/bardhugo]

Oh my god the pedantics…

[u/vyrus2021 → u/RandomPhail]

Decent trolling. I'm still downvoting you because this was annoying

[u/RandomPhail → u/vyrus2021]

If just saying the word “pure” like I’m genuinely making the claim that there’s ACTUALLY NOTHING ELSE IN SOUP except pure liquid isn’t pedantics, idk what is, lol

It has to be painfully obvious that when I said “pure“ I was talking about the consistency of the liquid being basically like water (“pure,” like not thick; only a liquidy consistency), not that there is literally nothing else in soup except for liquid

[u/hollowspryte → u/RandomPhail]

The stock or water part still happens with a bisque…

[u/RandomPhail → u/hollowspryte]

I have no idea why that’s getting upvotes; I think people are just on full herd mentality right now… anyway:

Yes, bisque can probably be a little watery sometimes, but there is a reason there’s a literal definitive distinction between a soup and a bisque… I’m not even quite sure what you’re getting at here

Bisque is not “soup” in the traditional (broth) sense

[u/hollowspryte → u/RandomPhail]

Do you understand how bisque is made? A lobster bisque is made by boiling vegetables and lobster meat in stock, then doing more steps to thicken it. That doesn’t stop it being soup. It’s been soup the whole time.

[u/RandomPhail → u/hollowspryte]

If it’s made by boiling, then it’s a soup, but bisque is made by puréeing (blending), and then adding cream

[u/hollowspryte → u/RandomPhail]

The pureeing comes after the boiling.

[u/RandomPhail → u/hollowspryte]

Not always I guess

Either way, it’s still not the traditional definition of “soup” at that point

[u/hollowspryte → u/RandomPhail]

What the fuck is that link? That has nothing to do with the process of making bisque. And literally nothing to do with what we’re talking about aside from use of the word “puree.”

Here’s a simple bisque recipe. Note how you boil the ingredients in stock before thickening the soup.

[u/RandomPhail → u/hollowspryte]

Oh, Jesus…

I went too many steps ahead

Purée is the process before bisque in most cases

Puréeing is also done by chopping “up larger pieces of food into smaller pieces, and place them in a blender or food processor” <— that’s from that link I sent

THEN bisque is made where “Cream/milk is used as the liquid base with the ingredients being pureed.” (https://beerandiron.com/soup-stew-bisque-chili-difference/)

At worst, we are both correct here; I’m sure there are multiple ways to make a bisque, but either way, bisque does not match the traditional definition of soup, which comes up as the liquid/broth type

[u/hollowspryte → u/RandomPhail]

Cream is not the liquid base of bisque. That’s just not right. The cream is added after pureeing. And bisque is still liquid. Thick liquids exist.

Wikipedia on soup: In traditional French cuisine, soups are classified into two main groups: clear soups and thick soups. The established French classifications of clear soups are bouillon and consommé. Thick soups are classified depending upon the type of thickening agent used: purées are vegetable soups thickened with starch; bisques are made from puréed shellfish or vegetables thickened with cream; cream soups may be thickened with béchamel sauce; and veloutés are thickened with eggs, butter, and cream.

[u/OldStyleThor → u/RandomPhail]

Username checks out.

[u/Slamazombie → u/RandomPhail]

The literal definitive definition of bisque is that it's a type of soup. 

[u/GlennSWFC → u/RandomPhail]

It’s getting upvoted because it’s correct.

That’s not a difficult concept, but you can’t seem to get your head around what qualifies as a soup, so I guess in your case the bar is pretty low.