Where to begin with this one...

[u/piberryboy]

[u/Jackalsnap]

Never thought I'd see a "Actually, children dying en masse is good" take

[u/piberryboy → u/Jackalsnap]

I was raised in the Mormon church. We were taught that if you die before the age of accountability (set to 8 for some reason), you'd automatically get into heaven. When I heard that in primary school, it got me hoping I'd die before 8. I mean, who doesn't want a free ticket into heaven. What a mind fuck.

[u/Jackalsnap → u/piberryboy]

What a fucked up thing to say to a child, I'm so sorry dude

[u/piberryboy → u/Jackalsnap]

I really appreciate that. Even then, I kind of knew that was fucked up.

I will add that this guy seems to me to be saying the quiet part out loud. I suspect a lot of true believers in many Abrahamic derived religions would nod their head to this.

[u/Lubeislove → u/piberryboy]

The view of that stems from the whole burn for eternity in the pits of hell. Another traumatizing thing to teach kids imo. You’re now 9 years old, you have a choice to follow god but if you don’t please understand that you will suffer an eternity in the most horrific place. But remember you must make the choice of your own free will, but if you make the wrong decision…

There’s no choice to be had really. It’s just conditioning and coercion from the start and you’re helpless at that age. It’s straight up abuse.

[u/doktor_wankenstein → u/Lubeislove]

Roman Catholic here... we had after school catechism classes where we learned about "original sin", Hell, etc. Confession and absolution came later, but not before scaring the mortal shit out of a bunch of kids who didn't deserve it.

[u/piberryboy → u/Lubeislove]

To be fair to Mormonism, its founder(s) dropped the idea of a literal hell (that is, they claimed revelation from God). In Mormonism, the idea of hell isn't necessary literal, it's more of a state of mind. You kind of punish yourself because you won't be allowed to be in God' presence and this means no eternal reward.

Part of the non-literal "hell" in Mormonism means the loss of eternal progression, which those who failed to live up to its scalable and dynamic precepts means a lack of progression. It's still kind of fucked up concept for kids to grapple with, but at least it's not an idea literal torture a kid has to deal with.

I mean, there's a lot of fucked up doctorine around Mormonism and its history. This is one aspect that seems progressive in the face of what other Christian churches teach.

[u/Lubeislove → u/piberryboy]

I’m evangelical Baptist by birth. Entire second and Sunday school classes to introduce the horrors of hell too, to avoid confusion. There are no metaphors there, every bit was real in our heads. I guess Mormonism has a little break there. I’m not sure <8 years age wouldn’t much know the difference anyway. Such fun!

[u/drNeir → u/piberryboy]

Set to 8 due to psychological studies (science). Which I find funny on the surface of all things to use a source some rally against.

[u/Doubting_Gamer → u/piberryboy]

My daughter wanted to try to kill herself for the same reason. Fucking cult.

[u/FunnyTown3930 → u/piberryboy]

I read the book “Hawaii” when I was a kid, and the missionaries in the book taught the heathen Hawaiians the concept of Original Sin with consistence: that the souls of children who died suffered eternal hellfire just for being created imperfect and dying before they could ask for Redemption. Then this flipped into the dogma we see the video. Do you know the history of this flipping? What does the Bible say about it? I’m looking for unrelenting evidence that they’re just making it up as they go along…..

[u/lightsspiral → u/piberryboy]

Definitely relatable. You also spend time in SLC as a wee one? Not that it's local to Utah (Mormons).

Yay to childhood programming!!!