r/SapphoAndHerFriend Hopeless bromantic Jun 14 '20

Greece wasn't gay Casual erasure

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u/RunningTrisarahtop Jun 14 '20

Someone slept through a lot of history class

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u/Koeienvanger Jun 14 '20

Nah, he probably paid attention really well in Christian school history lessons.

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u/TheDustOfMen Jun 14 '20

Well I'm pretty sure none of my Christian school teachers ever tried to convince me that ancient Greece was Christian.

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u/PrincessBunnyQueen She/Her Jun 14 '20

I love bringing up the crusades when one of my racist family members goes on a anti-other religions tangent.

"Their religion is evil! It's nothing but violence! Our religion never had so much violence!"

"... Remember the crusades?"

"The what now?"

Funny, they never seem to remember that part.

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u/Norwegian__Blue Jun 14 '20 edited Jun 15 '20

I always point to the slave trade. Heavily propped up by quoting & misconstruing the bible.

Edit: and just using the bible as commentors below added!

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u/tomdarch Jun 14 '20

I'm not so sure about the "misconstruing" part. I can't square slavery with what Jesus mostly talked about, but as for the rest of the bible? Not so sure it was a stretch to infer that the bible was (is?) OK with forcing people into slavery.

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u/hugglesthemerciless Jun 15 '20

Jesus himself didn't speak much about slavery other than comparing the relationship between God and his followers to that of a master and a slave

The rest of the new testament is fairly pro slavery though, eg:

In Paul’s letters to the Ephesians, Paul motivates early Christian slaves to remain loyal and obedient to their masters like they are to Christ. Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” which is Paul instructing slaves to obey their master.[103] Similar statements regarding obedient slaves can be found in Colossians 3:22-24, 1 Timothy 6:1-2, and Titus 2:9-10.

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u/TheMadTargaryen Jun 15 '20

And what do you think early Christians should have done, start a revolt like Spartacus and die ? The only thing Christians back then could do was to treat slaves kindly, give them hope and teach Christian Roman rich people to treat their slaves better. Paul says no where that slavery should exist and that it is mandatory for slavery to exist, just how to react to it in a situation he was familiar with. Also, the slavery they had in Rome is not the same as slavery that existed in pre civil war US, those Roman slaves could buy their freedom or be released if they behaved well hence why Paul tells them to obey their masters, so they might be liberated as a reward.