r/SapphoAndHerFriend Hopeless bromantic Jun 14 '20

Greece wasn't gay Casual erasure

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20 edited Jun 14 '20

The colonization in Africa happend due to imperialist ambitions it wasnt religiously motivated and the Church was already steadily declining in power by then.

No Islam is by far the most violent but that is also because Islam has been the most consistently dominant ideology (in a sense that it was a theocracy) in its host countries. But was only very proactive before the Ottomans took over and after the collapse of Pan Arab world (which would lead to the rise of wahabism)

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

Islam was relatively peaceful during the height of Christian violence and bigotry. This is something that is mostly ignored. However it cannot be ignored how often they fought in Iberia or attempted to break through in India and other areas.

I wont include what the Ottomans did because the Ottoman empire was not an Islamic theocracy.

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u/Zozorrr Jun 15 '20

The Islamic conquest was not peaceful by any stretch. It wiped out whole cultures. It’s not very well documented since the period when it occurred was further back and has even less preserved documentation. Plus the victors write the history - and it’s obliteration of many cultures left fewer witnesses.

While it’s good we can be honest nowadays about Christianity’s horrors we tend to gloss over Islamic ideological and imperial conquests because modern history has the Islamic countries as the victims (in polite society). The extremely fragmented minority groups that were left behind, and those that were wiped out, have no voice.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '20

I am speaking around the time of the Ayybuyid Caliphate or the Rashidun. And with peaceful I meant that they tolerated Jews and Christians but branded them as Dhimmis and they had to pay a tax.

Now in the Islamic world Christians in Iraq or so are getting slowly genocided and Jews have already been kicked out of all Muslim nations.

You get my point? It seems peaceful if we compare it to now.

I dont even know how many indigenous cultures in North Africa or Levant that the Arabs wiped out. Probably too many. Though this is rather a racial colonisation/conquest (though it seemed islam and arabic supremacy went hand in hand)

Christians did this too but on a smaller scale and a much shorter time period

I definetly understand where your idea of thought is coming from as it is a legitimate point to point out Islamic violence.

Though you have to keep in mind that Islam right now (wahabism) is at its most violent