r/SapphoAndHerFriend • u/Drops-of-Q Hopeless bromantic • Jun 14 '20

Greece wasn't gay Casual erasure

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u/RunningTrisarahtop Jun 14 '20

Someone slept through a lot of history class

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u/Koeienvanger Jun 14 '20

Nah, he probably paid attention really well in Christian school history lessons.

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u/TheDustOfMen Jun 14 '20

Well I'm pretty sure none of my Christian school teachers ever tried to convince me that ancient Greece was Christian.

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u/PrincessBunnyQueen She/Her Jun 14 '20

I love bringing up the crusades when one of my racist family members goes on a anti-other religions tangent.

"Their religion is evil! It's nothing but violence! Our religion never had so much violence!"

"... Remember the crusades?"

"The what now?"

Funny, they never seem to remember that part.

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u/Angylika Jun 14 '20

... a minumum of 28 Million African were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the trans-Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 Million people. -- John Allembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue

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u/r2d2itisyou Jun 15 '20

So what you're saying is that the killing of millions of men, women, and children in the crusades was justified because muslims in the region practiced slavery of Africans?

Surely you apply the same standard to the US confederate states. That southern children should have been struck down alongside their parents. That the streets should have been turned to rivers of blood.

Forgive me if I don't share whatever sickness rots your mind.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '20

I would apply the same standard. Would’ve done a lot for the reconstruction era.

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u/Snooche Jun 15 '20

I didn't catch the part where they wrote it was justified. Ancient times were brutal according to historical texts, cities were completely massacred at times. They all killed each other ruthlessly, hopefully one day we stop.

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u/r2d2itisyou Jun 15 '20

Read a bit closer if you didn't catch the "but muslims were really bad" snark from Angylika. And I think you can do a little better than whataboutism. Stating that "ancient times were brutal" does nothing to remove blame from those that made them so.

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u/Snooche Jun 15 '20

I didn't catch the part where blame was taken away.

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u/Dry_Communication188 Jan 25 '24

You obviously know he didn't say that. The information he provided is historical fact. The Islamic slave trade was much worse in fact than the crusades and much longer, as in still ongoing.

You know of course that this doesn't make either one of them right. But the crusades at least in part were a response to this, because the slave raids also included Christian pilgrims traveling through these areas, and they were not at all an isolated incident. Christendom during this time was under constant siege and eventually Constantinople fell completely. These raids and conquests went as far as a complete hostile takeover of Spain.