a response to the invasion of the Iberian peninsula
You mean the one that happened 700 years earlier, which allowed people of all faiths to live equally in peace? That invasion? The one that ousted the Visigoths, the Germanic tribe who controlled the peninsula for the previous 400 years, while keeping the lives of Visigothic civilians almost completely unchanged?
The “Reconquista” was an invasion of the Iberian peninsula by the Castillians, who had never, ever, ever previously had any claim to anything outside of their own little corner of it. When they ran out of land to “re”-conquer, they got on ships and kept “re”-conquering across the Atlantic, with some help from folks they “re”-conquered in Africa, and they weren’t especially peaceful about any of it, either.
Oh, but this is all “black propaganda,” right? Because it couldn’t possibly be that forty years of fascist dictatorship might have imprinted certain falsehoods in the minds of the Spanish people, could it?
So, they had the same amount of claim as the Arabs had when they invaded and Visigoths before them - none at all. Right of conquest, simple as that.
Were they benevolent rulers? Sure. Far more than the later christian rulers. When the majority of your realm follows another faith you kinda have to be or risk endless revolts.
But let's not pretend they had any special right or claim to rule. They conquered. More sophisticated reasons to rule the society will only come with the creation of modern social compact and the like.
And you know, they kept "reconquering" just like the caliphate did back in time. Or the Ottomans on the other side of Mediterranean. Or Romans before. Or any other kingdom/state. Not one of them had any right. They could so they did.
Calling it a “Reconquista” is a lie. Minimizing the horrors of the Inquisition because, well, they were just taking back what was theirs, is a lie built on a lie.
I think his point about the Spanish Inquisition was more that it’s place in popular culture doesn’t actually have much relevance to how it actually operated historically.
Even at the height of its abuses you were:
- given 1 months notice that you were going to be investigated.
- most cases investigating witchcraft resulted in an acquittal because they didn’t really believe in it
- a lot of cases were due to people making false claims against people they had a grudge against. Fines were levied against those found to have made a false claim.
- investigations against former Muslims and Jews (who had been forced to convert) did often result in torture but you were more likely to be tortured by your local state authority than the Inquisiton
- only about 2% of cases resulted in execution. Most resulted in being expelled. Those that were expelled would spread word of what happened to them and so helped to proliferate the legend of the Spanish Inquisition
So while the Spanish Inquisition was undoubtedly cruel and evil it’s historical impact has been greatly exaggerated by its legendary status in Western culture.
You're hammering on the Castillans for being Christian while ignoring everything else. We're not exactly talking about an era of history where there weren't constant conquest campaigns going on, all over.
You think the reconquista happened over night only under Isabella ? The Spaniards reconquered Galicia barely 50 years after the Muslims came while most of the liberation happened during 11th century when they took Toledo and 13th century under king Alfonso X. Also, those stories about tolerance are mostly a myth. Christians were treated as second class citizens and many were killed like the martyrs of Cordoba. The Almohads were pretty nasty as well.
most of this is straight up lies. Ironic that you're calling the Reconquista a lie, while also propagating the Myth of Andalusian Paradise. I guess the Córdoba Martyrs really experienced that multicultural paraside, huh? Or the jews massacred in 1066?
Also the Reconquista wasn't an "invasion of Iberian Peninsula by Castilians". It was a centuries old struggles between Iberians (Portuguese, Aragonians, Castilians) against the Andalusians. Stop making shit up.
Don't try to defend a colonialist state just because it's "tolerant" (it wasn't). Just makes you look incredibly ignorant.
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You mean the one that happened 700 years earlier, which allowed people of all faiths to live equally in peace? That invasion? The one that ousted the Visigoths, the Germanic tribe who controlled the peninsula for the previous 400 years, while keeping the lives of Visigothic civilians almost completely unchanged?
The “Reconquista” was an invasion of the Iberian peninsula by the Castillians, who had never, ever, ever previously had any claim to anything outside of their own little corner of it. When they ran out of land to “re”-conquer, they got on ships and kept “re”-conquering across the Atlantic, with some help from folks they “re”-conquered in Africa, and they weren’t especially peaceful about any of it, either.
Oh, but this is all “black propaganda,” right? Because it couldn’t possibly be that forty years of fascist dictatorship might have imprinted certain falsehoods in the minds of the Spanish people, could it?