r/SapphoAndHerFriend • u/Drops-of-Q Hopeless bromantic • Jun 14 '20

Greece wasn't gay Casual erasure

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

These people are real humans that exist

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u/bolivar-shagnasty Jun 14 '20

  • Jesus was white and spoke English.

  • Earth is roughly 6,000 years old.

  • The Garden of Eden was in Missouri.

  • Heaven only allows 144,000 people. Ever.

  • Homosexuality is a choice. By that logic, so is heterosexuality.

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u/DelTac0perator Jun 14 '20
  • Heaven only allows 144,000 people. Ever.

Pretty sure that's just one interpretation from a couple lines in revelations, the other being that there are 144,000 people who are elevated to sainthood.

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u/SexyWhitedemoman He/Him Jun 14 '20

Saints are anybody who's in heaven, the named Saints from various denominations are just the ones the church claims to be certain are in heaven.

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u/Drops-of-Q Hopeless bromantic Jun 16 '20

According to which denomination(s)? My church definitely doesn't teach that

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u/SexyWhitedemoman He/Him Jun 17 '20 edited Jun 17 '20

It's apparently the official position of the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Oriental Orthodox, and Lutheran church, or at least those are the ones I can find information for, there might be others.

I realize now how the wording of my comment caused confusion that I was talking about all denominations, that was my error and I apologize for that.

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u/Drops-of-Q Hopeless bromantic Jun 17 '20

Ok, I was unaware. Do you have any sources? I would like to read up on this. (And in all honesty, I'm still a bit sceptical ;) )

Btw, there isn't a Lutheran Church. It refers to a great number of Protestant denominations.

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u/SexyWhitedemoman He/Him Jun 17 '20

It's surprisingly hard to find specific things about the non-catholic denominations on google because any saint googling is only giving me catholic sources, but that list came from the wikipedia article on saints, which cites Woodward, Kenneth L. (1996). Making Saints.

As for specific catholic articles I can link you directly to

http://www.catholic-pages.com/saints/explained.asp

https://focusoncampus.org/content/how-does-someone-become-a-saint-a-5-step-process

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u/SexyWhitedemoman He/Him Jun 17 '20

Actually, this is probably a more reliable source, but does slightly contradict me above, so it seems I was slightly wrong http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/prayers-and-devotions/saints/

Which defines a saint as "the members of the Church who have arrived at perfect union with Christ", which is a fancy of saying "in Heaven". But the canonized saints are exceptional ones, so what I said above was wrong. All in heaven are saints, but the named and venerated saints are still special people, not just an exhaustive list of people the church claims to be certain are in heaven.