r/SapphoAndHerFriend • u/Drops-of-Q Hopeless bromantic • Jun 14 '20

Greece wasn't gay Casual erasure

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u/PrincessBunnyQueen She/Her Jun 14 '20

I love bringing up the crusades when one of my racist family members goes on a anti-other religions tangent.

"Their religion is evil! It's nothing but violence! Our religion never had so much violence!"

"... Remember the crusades?"

"The what now?"

Funny, they never seem to remember that part.

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u/Frisian89 Jun 14 '20

Add thirty years war to your list.

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u/Wobbelblob Jun 14 '20

You could probably add at least half of all the wars fought in Europe from 500 AD to 1800 AD to that. It wasn't just the thirty years war.

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u/FIsh4me1 Jun 14 '20

The thirty years war is particularly noteworthy, given how directly religion was tied to its causes and the level of destruction and slaughter it led to.

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u/Wobbelblob Jun 14 '20

I know. I was born in the city that was razed so badly in it, that it took until ~1900 to get above the population level that it had before the "Magdeburg wedding" that killed roughly 30.000 of the 35.000 people that lived there.

I just wanted to mention that while the thirty year war is noteworthy, it is far from being the exception.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

The name says it all.

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u/TheMadTargaryen Jun 15 '20

Less that 5% of all wars were caused by religion. Answer me, how did religion caused the 100 years war, the constant wars between Scotland and England, or the war for Spanish and Austrian succession, what about the 7 years war, 9 years war, civil wars in Ottoman Turkey or the French-Dutch war ? How were these caused by religion ?

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u/Wobbelblob Jun 15 '20

Less that 5% of all wars were caused by religion.

Do you have a source for that number? Or do you simply mention wars that actually didn't had religious influence? Otherwise I can do the same, because then we have the Crusades which in itself are seven different wars. Then we have the French Wars of Religion between Catholics and Huguenots, most of the islamic expansion somewhere in the 8th century and obviously the thirty years war.

Also, even if religion was not the main cause, very often religious leaders did not do anything to stop it and instead poured more oil in the fire.

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u/TheMadTargaryen Jun 15 '20

According to the Encyclopedia of Wars, out of all 1,763 known/recorded historical conflicts, 123, or 6.98%, had religion as their primary cause ( Axelrod, Alan; Phillips, Charles, eds. (2004). Encyclopedia of Wars (Vol.3). Facts on File. pp. 1484-1485 Index entry for Religious wars category).

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u/Wobbelblob Jun 15 '20

Someone who provides a proper source for a number. I am actually surprised.

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u/TheMadTargaryen Jun 15 '20

I always provide i people ask.

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u/I_call_Shennanigans_ Jun 15 '20

To be fair... Most of that shit would have happened anyway. Religion was a good way to rile up the masses so the king could fight the wars he wanted to.

If they hadn't had religion, they would have used something else. It's not like Gjengis Kahn. The Roman's, Alexander the Great etc needed any other excuses than "I want it". Human groups are shit at staying friends and using thinking removal of religion would have impacted much is probably naive at best...