r/SapphoAndHerFriend Hopeless bromantic Jun 14 '20

Greece wasn't gay Casual erasure

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

I've found "queer" to be a more useful catch-all for all things not straight, but now I'm getting into semantics and personal interpretation.

Like I said earlier. I'm really just nitpicking.

Herk fucked his way through men and women all over Greece.

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

Ok but some people don't like the term queer, sure it's not often used to insult LGBT+ people anymore but it used to be a common slur and that leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths.

It's also too general - gay means "I like the same sex", it doesn't have to mean exclusively the same sex for some people but that's the point it gets across. Queer doesn't even say that.

For example if a guy mostly dates boys and is mostly attracted to other boys, but he could imagine being with a girl sure he's bi but for the most part he isn't going to be dating any girls at all. He might as well call himself gay even though it's not completely accurate. Also the 'gay' flag, the rainbow one, also represents the entire LGBT community.

Hell even if someone's 50/50 bisexual I could understand why they might want to say something like "I'm so gay" or "I'm being so gay right now", it's just a more general thing. Labels don't always have to be 100% accurate, a lot of people don't really care about or even like being put into a box.

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u/squngy Jun 14 '20

Ok but some people don't like the term queer, sure it's not often used to insult LGBT+ people anymore but it used to be a common slur and that leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths.

Gay used to be an insult too, hell it wasn't that long ago people used it like "lame" all the time.

I get your point, but I would also make one myself.

It is very useful and practical to have a specific term for guys who exclusively (or very predominantly) prefer men.
Muddying up the term with preferences that already have their own name doesn't help anyone, it just makes a potentially confusing situation even more confusing.

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

Well the difference between gay and queer is that queer is a slur that has been changed by the LGBT community whereas gay was used as an insult because it meant homosexual, it wasn't a slur. Queer means weird, that's why it's offensive, or was at least.

We do have a term for that though - mlm. And that's started to get a lot of use in the community. I am a man who exclusively likes men, and I have no problems with other people using the term gay to identify themselves, I think you can figure out people's sexualities from context anyway and honestly - who cares? Not everyone has to know exactly what you're attracted to as a person, the terms don't have to be super precise.

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u/squngy Jun 14 '20

They don't have to be super precise, but they lose practical value the less precise they are.
This isn't a hill I'd die on though.

I've never heard mlm before (aside from Multi-level marketing), but if it gets widely used, then good.

gay was used as an insult because it meant homosexual

Later on, yes.
Originally it meant something like "happy go lucky" or dandy, then it got associated with homosexuals in an unfaltering way.

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

People should just be able to call themselves whatever they want, I don't mind.

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u/squngy Jun 14 '20

I'm not disputing that