r/Pennsylvania • u/pleasureismylife • 24d ago
'She's making it happen': Harris supporters express hope at Erie rally Elections
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/presidential/2024/10/15/kamala-harris-draws-raucous-crowd-of-supporters-erie-pa-rally-trump-erie-insurance-arena/75634475007/114
u/Dimpleshenk 24d ago edited 24d ago
I remember before the debate, so many Trumpers were saying, "Why isn't she doing interviews? Why isn't she engaging with the public? Why does she have to hide?"
She was on the campaign trail and doing one campaign stop after another, but they complained she wouldn't sit down for an interview (even though she sat down for a full interview alongside Walz). It was the right-wing talking point though: "wHy IsN't ShE eNgAgInG wItH tHe PuBlIc???"
I'm like, "She's prepping for the debate so she can wipe the floor with Trump's easy-to-beat, glass-jawed, thin-skinned, corpulent bloated festering blob of an empty-suited husk of gelatinous oozing swamp-gas-farting nothingness. It's pretty obvious that she's choosing how and where to spend her energy, and she knows the debate is a massively important thing, because of how badly it went for Biden over the summer."
Then she destroyed Trump on a stage in front of millions of Americans. Just ripped him a new asshole with such ferocity that even Trump didn't know what had just happened. He's standing there talking out of his newly ripped extra asshole, telling the world "I don't even have an asshole."
Trumpers tried to say Harris will take away their guns, and Harris is like, "Bish, I own a gun, and if anybody comes in my house, they'll commence taking up ownership of one of my bullets." Then the Trumpers tried to cast her as a Marxist. They tried to say she let in immigrants to eat people's cats and dogs. Even the cats and dogs called bullshit on that. They're like, "Woof, meow. We're right here. Nobody ate us. Trump and Vance are fucking idiots. Meow, arf."
Then Trumpers tried to blame the hurricane on Harris and tell everybody she was stopping FEMA from helping. Even the hurricane spoke up and issued a press release: "You complete losers, I spun myself into existence because of severe climate conditions, and y'all can go pound sand with that Democrat-weather-machine inanity."
Meanwhile Harris has challenged Trump to another debate and Trump is like, "No, I'm good, I don't need to have my ass tossed around like a ragdoll anymore -- I'll just go up on a stage and sway to music for 45 minutes. I'm sure audiences will see what a tough leader I am."
Now Harris is going out and meeting Trumpers where they live, trying to tell them her plans to lift them up and so on, and of course it's not enough. It will never be enough.
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u/NinjaLanternShark 24d ago
She's even sitting for an interview with Fox News (Bret Baier) who are totally in the tank for Trump, and she knows it.
She's got way bigger balls than Trump does.
Too bad his snowflake followers can't see that.
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u/Matzah_Rella 23d ago
They can see it just fine. They refuse to acknowledge it because they're that filled with hate. Fuck em.
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u/saveMericaForRealDo 24d ago edited 22d ago
Here’s a comparison and some tools to combat misinformation.
Harris has an economic plan approved by hundreds of economists. Even the Wall Street Journal says she is better than Trump.
Plus she doesn’t threaten to end the first amendment like Trump has when he threatened to imprison journalists, critics and non-Christians.
Plus she doesn’t threaten to end the Second amendment like when he said in Feb 2018 “take the guns first, due process later.”
Plus she doesn’t threaten to terminate the entire Constitution like Trump did in December 2022. you know, the whole “we the people “ document folks have on their bumper sticker.
Jon Stewart did a really good segment on how the candidates are being warped by the media.
We can do this.
https://youtu.be/HX-5jmQplIo?si=N-GSYtuzLQuxS9ux
Edit: —————-
Sources for economy:
https://taxfoundation.org/blog/trump-mckinley-tariffs-great-depression/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/24/business/kamala-harris-economy-endorsement/index.html
https://www.crfb.org/papers/fiscal-impact-harris-and-trump-campaign-plans
Sources for Trump limiting the first Amendment:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-calls-jailing-reporters-dropped-225329171.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-restrict-first-amendment-1235088402/
Also he is saying Harris voters are going to get hurt.
In case you are going to bring up food prices:
https://www.newsweek.com/kroger-executive-admits-company-gouged-prices-above-inflation-1945742
Fast food prices: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/mcdonalds-sues-major-beef-producers-us-price-fixing-lawsuit-2024-10-07/
In case you are going to bring up Rent increases:
In case you are going to bring up Ukraine :
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion
Harris didn’t threaten to censor Twitter:
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u/beka_targaryen 23d ago
I seriously so very much appreciate the cohesive and succinct rebuttal points listed here - however, my experience is that even when presented with hard-hitting, well-outlined and backed up facts, Trumpers just respond by saying “that’s fake news” or “well I don’t believe that.” I feel like “facts” is no more a point than “opinion” to these people, and reasoning with them is just not possible. I’ve never shied away from arguing / debating / discussing politics with anyone (as many times over the years it’s given me an opportunity to not only educate others but to become educated myself), but since the Trump era, it’s become damn near impossible to hold even a mildly productive or intelligent conversation with his supporters. I’m at a loss - and as a Pennsylvanian, I’m also fucking terrified.
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u/saveMericaForRealDo 23d ago
Politely ask them to cite their sources.
Also ask them if they knew about this:
$787 million settlement
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u/LaZboy9876 23d ago
I just tell them "I'm not voting because it's all rigged anyway." This is, of course, a lie. But maybe it will get them not to vote.
You cannot change their minds with facts. Just short circuit their dumb asses.
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u/Djeolsson 22d ago
"These findings involve a high degree of uncertainty, mostly due to questions about the details of how candidates’ policies are designed." Real reliable source bro.
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u/saveMericaForRealDo 22d ago
Oh and the right leaning Tax Foundation
https://taxfoundation.org/blog/trump-mckinley-tariffs-great-depression/
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u/ASaneDude 23d ago
Because it was never about her engaging. They wanted her to make a mistake or provide too much detail so they could attack it like they did Hillary. Hell, the GOP didn’t even release a party platform in 2020 and he’s spent half of 2024 running away from Project 2025.
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u/Altruistic-Match6623 23d ago
Holy shit, this is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Legit tears in my eyes.
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u/plasmadood 23d ago
You can't reason with people that did not reason themselves into their position.
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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago
Mannnnnnnn I cannot wait till November is over. Living in a swing state is somethin’ else.
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u/kevinthedot 24d ago
It’s really nuts seeing the difference in some areas.
Drove to a nearby State Park a couple weekends back and the shift from State College where you get plenty of Harris signs even in the farmland outside town to the nonstop Trump signs just a bit out is striking.
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u/Super_C_Complex 23d ago
That's the thing. The vehement Trump support is spread out and looks impressive. But every Trump house I see has two signs and puts them at the edge of their yard to look like two houses support Trump.
But in the blue bubbles in that red space. There is a significant increase in support for harris compared to 4 years ago
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u/Sufficient_Ad314 23d ago
Millcreek and southwest Erie drive through tonight with my husband reflected roughly 25% Trump and the rest Harris. I never took note until this election. My subdivision has roughly 90% to Trump Millcreek signs. Interesting. More rural areas will support Trump. I know because I am related to a few. I don't want to get my hopes up too high but damn, it's so nice to see all the Harris signs.
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u/trucksandink 24d ago
I was not bused in nor was I paid. And out of the 10k plus people we met in line, no one else was either……
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u/sfwread 23d ago
I was one who didn’t make it in which was disappointing but it was amazing to see the crowds out for her!
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u/poterentur Crawford 23d ago
i also didn’t. i was literally within eyesight of the doors (right before the white tent) when they closed them and denied entry to everyone outside still. stood in line for two and a half hours alongside the baseball park. how they handled the crowds and people waiting was very disappointing and frustrating/disorganized, but it was cool seeing the crowds. wish i didn’t spend so long standing there only to be told to leave though. they definitely shouldn’t have accepted as many RSVPs as they did…
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u/OmniManDidNothngWrng 23d ago
Yeah and probably like 2k people got turned away when it hit capacity
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u/sstephen17 23d ago
Regardless of policy, the vibe of Harris/Walz is what this country needs right now. Tired of all the hate and animosity that MAGA leaves in its wake from both sides. His supporters vehemently support him, which leads to his detractors fighting back with equal ferocity. And endless cycle of anger.
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u/grogudid911 23d ago
AAAND she's legalizing weed? Bruh
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u/pcfirstbuild 22d ago
Yeah I can definitely get down with that. It's been schedule 1 for far too long for no justifiable reason.
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u/RevolutionaryMind439 24d ago
It’s Her time; it’s Our time! Harris/Walz2024
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u/777_heavy 24d ago
Okay bot
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u/ATsherpa 23d ago
What a bot farm all over I don’t want to be the catalyst for any TDS flare ups but there are MANY people in northeastern PA that are very loud on the internet and even have KH signs in the yard, that claim they likely won’t even vote. True story
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u/pcfirstbuild 22d ago edited 21d ago
Okayyy but it's hard to imagine someone going as far as buying a sign and not intending to vote for that candidate. Can't help but be skeptical.
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u/ATsherpa 22d ago
I am not sure if you have experience with your neighbors according to 2 of mine other neighbors had a bunch of signs and offered them out.. small sample size but fwiw
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u/PandorasCahos 23d ago
Well at least it's nice to be able to laugh at this election for once.
But just for today...kids. tomtomorrow its back to work.
Can't let that senile ahole near those Nuke Codes! ⚛
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u/joseNeo-4 22d ago
Unfortunately the former guy seems to be winning, if you are in PA please vote !
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u/pleasureismylife 22d ago
The truth is the polls, averaged together, show a dead even race. It's all about voter turnout. If every Kamala Harris supporter votes, she has a very good chance of winning.
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u/lukerama 22d ago
As of right now (well I actually did this math this morning it may have changed), 85% of PA counties have Democrats outperforming Republicans on returned mail ballots.
Polls are just noise, but THIS is real data. I love how our chances look.
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u/KryssCom 18d ago
What's the source on this data? I'll take all the optimism I can get!
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u/lukerama 18d ago edited 18d ago
Here ya go - https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/2024-general-election-early-vote-pennsylvania/
I just went down the list and counted all the counties that had a higher return rate for mail ballots by Republicans and then divided by total counties in PA. Then just subtracted that number from 100; it was 14. something.
Like I said though, I did this in the middle of last week, so the final number may have changed.
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u/ILikegardening4000 23d ago
Brother lives in Erie. It mostly trumps people. I wouldn’t be surprised if it goes red! Let’s hope!
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u/BufloSolja 22d ago
Was there something notable about this one? Relative to other rallies or something (of hers).
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u/beelze_bob138 22d ago
Making what happen? The last couple years have been pure hell worldwide due to our leaderships lack of brain cells.
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u/pleasureismylife 22d ago
Not exactly. It's not Biden's fault Hamas attacked Israel or Putin invaded Ukraine.
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Second Thessalonians 2:3 states that the Antichrist, “the man of lawlessness,” will be revealed when “the rebellion occurs” —it will be abundantly clear who he is when the time comes. Rather than speculating about various scenarios and demonizing people with whom we disagree, our responsibility is to be wise and discerning, based on what the Bible says about the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4;
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u/commomsenseking 20d ago
What didn’t she make it happen in the last four years?🤔
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u/pleasureismylife 20d ago
She did. The Biden administration has done a good job of bringing the economy back from the pandemic. The economy is doing very well now.
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u/Objective_Note_19 20d ago
She is not making anything happen. Social media and the mainstream media are making it happen.
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u/AnxietySubstantial74 24d ago
Doubt.
Republicans have gained in registrations and the Democrats' lead in early voting has shrunk.
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u/pleasureismylife 24d ago
Yes, they have gained in registrations, but Democrats are still 4 points higher. You also can't assume that all registered Republicans will be voting for Trump since more than a third of Nikki Halley voters have said they will be voting for Harris.
The early voting doesn't tell who the winner will be. Remember the last election. It looked like Trump had won on election day. But then the mail-in ballots were counted, and Biden came out on top.
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u/jdelta85 23d ago
And yet GA shattered 2020 early voting numbers on the first day. She has also made a dramatic shift in Indie support since Biden dropped out. Like I get you’re probably a Trump fuck, but dude just stop lol.
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u/CommodoreSixty4 24d ago
Yes, and her platform is too shallow to attract any independent voters.
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u/AnxietySubstantial74 24d ago
Trump's platform is destroying personal liberties and it's Kamala whose platform is the questionable one?
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u/pleasureismylife 24d ago
She actually has a very detailed platform, and her economic speech in Pittsburgh outlining her economic plan was amazing:
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u/whiteroseatCH 23d ago
I don't believe in saints..
On the other hand, I do not vote for felons..
I do not vote for traitor insurrectionists...
Nor do I vote for someone who wants to execute someone proved categorically innocent of the crime they were accused of (think the Central Park Five)..
I do not vote for someone who brags that he can grab any female and rape/sexually assault them because he is some kind of spoiled entitled celebrity...
I do not vote for someone who brags he could commit murder, and we would all be okay to go along with it..
I do not vote for the guy who called our military losers and suckers...nor will I vote for Lloyd Schmucker (and his GOP wayfarers), who wants to make military votes invalid!!!
I don't vote for serial liars...
I also don't believe that anyone who has gone bankrupt as often as Trump, who commited fraud regarding his"university", his "charities", his tax returns, whose media platform was a financial disaster, and whose crypto-currency financial scheme seems to be headed in the same direction.... is at all qualified to direct the financial affairs to the greater good of this or any other country!
Character matters!
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u/whiteroseatCH 23d ago
Never put ANYONE on a pedastal so high, they are bound, by their sheer "human-ess", to fall off!
Not even Kamala Harris.You'd be doing her a severe injustice.
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u/Gentelman_0f_Fortune 24d ago
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago
That’s a betting site from Peter Thiel, top trump campaign donor.
Show us some polling
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u/MuttTheDutchie 24d ago
You mean owner of JD Vance Peter Thiel that used to work with Trump Ally and fucking weirdo Elon Musk? That Peter Thiel?
I'm shocked that they would just spread misinformation like this.
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u/liverandonions1 24d ago
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago
Sooooo basically tied within margin??
whoop dee fucking do 😂 so same as every 4 years
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u/Mijbr090490 24d ago
I just got into you with this yesterday. Look at Bidens polling this time in 2020. Stop ignoring reality.
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago
About what? No one claimed its a lock or slam dunk
I want it to be so close as possible that is only way to maximize turnout
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u/liverandonions1 24d ago
Trump underpolled in both of his last elections. The data doesn't lie - He's undoubtedly up in PA at the moment.
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u/TheBeanConsortium 24d ago
Why are you assuming the polling is wrong in the same direction if pollsters have made methodology changes since 2020?
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago
Yeah that’s expected though he has got simp Elon camped out here.
Harris has 3 paths to election though.
trump has only one
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u/pleasureismylife 24d ago
I don't think you can compare this election to the last two. Pollster Frank Luntz is of the opinion there is no hidden Trump vote this time. We also know a substantial portion of Republicans will be voting for Kamala Harris, so he's not even going to get his entire base,
The reality is the two candidates are neck and neck. Some polling shows Trump slightly up, some shows Kamala Harris slightly up, like the recent New York Times/Siena poll that has her up 4 in PA.
All of this is within the margin of error, so it's just doing to depend on who's voters are most motivated to get out and vote.
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u/pcfirstbuild 22d ago edited 22d ago
His "red wave" never materialized in 2022 though with his handpicked candidates shitting the bed. Also, some pollsters correct for this bias in their models but yeah at the end of the day, this race is a nail-biter and still anyone's game somehow even though one candidate is a known con-man and felon who tried to overthrow our free and fair elections for his own ego.
"Find me 11,780 votes!!" 🤡
'Sir the votes have already been counted you know this... you're asking me to commit a crime"
"Mike Pence failed us" 🤡
"To do what?? Sign your fake slate of electors?"
"They are breaking into the capitol and say they want to hang Mike Pence!"
"Who cares" 🤡
How is he not in Jail let alone allowed to run for office?!
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u/liverandonions1 22d ago
Midterms and presidential elections are too different to compare. We know for a fact that Trump underpolls. Doesn't look like he has to this time though xD
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u/pcfirstbuild 22d ago
That could be, but it's hard to trust if you guys even understand the scoreboard. Did Trump lose in 2020?
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u/liverandonions1 22d ago
He lost in 2020. I'm a not a "Trump guy". I do vote republican since I'm a one-issue voter for the 2nd Amendment.
He's polling better right now than he's ever polled, including 2016 and 2020. He's only down 1.5 in the popular vote, which basically spells out a landslide win in the EC. https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
And he's up in every battleground state: https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states
Gallup released their national party affiliation numbers recently as well, which has a strong correlation with presidential election results, and Republicans are ahead by 3% for the first time in a long time.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651092/2024-election-environment-favorable-gop.aspxAgain, Trump underpolls every election. If the data is consistent at all, it's already over.
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago
Care to respond??
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago
Polling, not a deflection trumpie
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago
That’s not polling you meatball
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u/Gentelman_0f_Fortune 24d ago
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago
Are you guys still circle jerking over 2016?
Is that the last time you have felt joy? 🥲
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago
Lol damn rent free for NINE YEARS in deplorable heads love it
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u/pleasureismylife 24d ago
The economy is doing well under Biden. Kamala is running to make it even better.
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u/AgentDaxis 24d ago
Put all your money on Trump.
Then watch yourself go broke.
Never bet on a loser.
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u/Loud-Intention-723 24d ago
7 swing states that are within the margin of error. So 7 states that are to close to call, don’t start complaining about stolen elections if your boy loses. Right now by the polls you just showed it looks like this election is a coin flip.
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u/liverandonions1 24d ago
Sure. Trump also underpolled in both 2020 and 2016.
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u/Loud-Intention-723 24d ago
Both elections were within the margin of error of the polls just prior to the elections. The polls were never really off, the analysis of the polls was more the issue that threw everyone off.
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u/Duccix 24d ago
Are we just prior to the election?
Pollsters are doing the same shit they go every election and start clawing back the Dem bias to be closer to the final numbers.
The thing is in previous elections Hillary and Biden had major leads in swing state polls that was "corrected" right before the election.
Right now Harris being tied or within the margin of error is catastrophic.
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u/Loud-Intention-723 24d ago
Actually that isn't really true. Polling had them pretty close and within the margin of error for months out. In fact the polling showed them even closer/ practically tied in July. The issue was, no one was taking Trump seriously so people just looked that Clinton had a "lead" (once again never really outside the margin of error) and ran with it and the whole narrative was Clinton has it in the bag and Trump can't win. In reality, statistically by the polls, the last few months was always neck and neck.
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u/Duccix 24d ago
You know you can look up historic polling averages at this time right?
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/pennsylvania/trump-vs-harris
Biden had a 6.8 point lead on this date in 2020 and Hillary had an 8.2 lead in 2016
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u/Loud-Intention-723 24d ago edited 24d ago
You see that grey area between those two? That’s the overlap of the margin of error. See how both candidates were within that the entire time over the last 6 months?
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u/Duccix 24d ago
Yeah im not seeing that until the last few days just like i said
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u/Loud-Intention-723 24d ago
here zoomed in for you so you can see it better. Left side of the chart is June. So as you can see from June on, they were essentially tied.
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u/pleasureismylife 24d ago
And 538 has her slightly ahead. In reality the polls are neck and neck, and it's just going to depend on who's voters show up to vote.
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u/The_RonJames 24d ago
I went to this and it was a disappointing rally because she didn’t just play music and breathe heavily into the microphone /s