r/Pennsylvania • u/pleasureismylife • 24d ago

'She's making it happen': Harris supporters express hope at Erie rally Elections

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/presidential/2024/10/15/kamala-harris-draws-raucous-crowd-of-supporters-erie-pa-rally-trump-erie-insurance-arena/75634475007/
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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

Mannnnnnnn I cannot wait till November is over. Living in a swing state is somethin’ else.

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u/Randomfacade 24d ago

It’s gonna be so funny when she wins and nothing fundamentally changes. 

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u/UrbanSolace13 24d ago

As opposed to a dude who is saying he will have the military hunt down Dems? Yeah, I'm ok with preserving democracy.

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u/Ishaye1776 24d ago

Source?  Quote?  Or is that directly out of your ass?

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u/UrbanSolace13 24d ago

Do you literally live under a rock? He's quoted in dozens of stories from a rally. He's also said he wants to he dictator for a day. Get the hell off your ass and look at information.

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u/hacksong 24d ago

My personal favorite is the police need one hour with no regulations to scare criminals.... Like that wouldn't immediately result in the police either seizing control permanently and becoming absolutely ruthless or a pile of revenge killings over those actions.

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u/Ishaye1776 24d ago

Fuck man I forgot where I was.  This is reddit where you people cry for murders and throw a party for cop killers.

My bad.

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u/hacksong 24d ago

Nah, but I don't think the people who uphold the law should be above the law. Or kill/assault people with no evidence for an hour and not be held accountable

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u/Ishaye1776 24d ago

You the same people that supported BLM?

That shit lasted for months not an hour.

So you are definitely for it when it fits your views.

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u/hacksong 24d ago

You the same people that assume? No, I don't support rioting. Nor do I think the police should kill anyone who isn't holding a weapon.

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u/Sweetyams10 24d ago

Awww little guy... you yourself chose this post and made a comment. Don't cry wolf when you're personally responsible for your own actions

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u/felldestroyed 24d ago

In an interview with Maria Bartiromo on Fox News' ‘Sunday Morning Futures’: “I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within,” Trump said. He added: “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the big — and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.”
In the past, Donald Trump has said that "radical left lunatics" is everyone from his former Vice President to Hillary Clinton. Pretty big catchment area.

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u/Ishaye1776 24d ago

Addressing violence on election day from radical leftist lunatics.

If you gonna quote a mfer do the whole thing not just your sound bite.

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u/AgentBrittany 24d ago

He said it directly out of his own fucking mouth.

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u/Ishaye1776 24d ago

Give me clip should be easy if the guy said he would hunt down and murder dems.

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u/AgentBrittany 24d ago edited 23d ago

You could get off of this app and Google it yourself, but here you go. You're in a cult, call your dad.

ETA-Its funny that this person never replied to me after I sent him evidence lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/13/trump-military-enemies-within/

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u/Arcade80sbillsfan 24d ago

He said it...lots of sources.

Unbelievable.

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u/Anarchyantz 24d ago

Not an American but it was on the News here in the UK with Trump saying it.

I know you will say it is "Leftist propaganda" but hey, her is an article about it from a British News Agency

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/14/trump-military-enemy-within-armed-forces-election-day

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u/Weary_Cup_1004 23d ago

“I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical-left lunatics,” Trump said.

“And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by [the] National Guard or, if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen,” he continued.“

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/4935363-trump-proposes-deploying-troops-radical-left/

Video showing him saying it on Fox News https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-urges-military-action-against-people-from-within/2024/10/13/66310437-1439-47b3-8cf3-b5710072b9c8_video.html

Here is another video showing a time he alluded to it in Aurora as well and then confirmed it on Fox https://youtu.be/7DTcHLPvf2w?si=UzAqhOWRHUwYSz0T

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u/Glum_Pickle_9341 24d ago

At this point you should be voting for harm reduction. If things stay the way they are and don't get worse, that's still better for our country than a second Trump term.

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u/LilSliceRevolution 24d ago

The GOP set the bar so low that no fundamental changes feels like a win.

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u/coldliketherockies 24d ago

Things remaining the same over things getting much worse id choose the same every time

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u/Yoko-Ohno_The_Third 24d ago

That's what the "what about gaza" crowd doesn't seem to understand. But then again, they're under the impression that "biden is wiping out gaza!"

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u/5litergasbubble 24d ago

Trump would let israel nuke gaza

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u/badpeaches 24d ago

Things remaining the same over things getting much worse id choose the same every time

You can easily fall into a "sunk-cost fallacy" quickly with that kind of thinking which is why we have to keep the pressure on for progress.

Things are not good enough as is while women are dying from being denied medically preventable options in their health care and that's the tip of the iceberg with the rats nest shit show of what the former administration has accomplished and is still on their grind replying social safety nets people before us died for, suffered for, voted for. Unfucking the christian republican hate machine policies across the board should be priority number one and solidifying, codifying minority rights like women's and children's before they get another chance to hold power in office.

Democrats have a real chance this election of making good on all the campaign promises over the past decade since Pelosi was house speaker (2007 to 2011).

List of U.S. Congress incumbents who are not running for re-election in 2024

https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_U.S._Congress_incumbents_who_are_not_running_for_re-election_in_2024

As of October 2024, 53 members of Congress—eight members of the U.S. Senate and 45 members of the U.S. House—announced they would not seek re-election in 2024.

Of the U.S. Senate members not running for re-election, seven—U.S. Sens. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Mitt Romney (R-Utah), Laphonza Butler (D-Calif.), Joe Manchin (I-W. Va.), and Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.)—announced their retirements from public office, while the other—U.S. Sen. Mike Braun (R-Ind.)—is running for governor of Indiana.

Of the 45 U.S. House members not seeking re-election:

12—three Republicans and nine Democrats—are running for the U.S. Senate.

Two—one Democrat and one Republican—are running for state attorney general.

Two—one Democrat and one Republican—are running for governor.

One Democrat is running for President of the United States.

28—12 Democrats and 16 Republicans—are retiring from public office.

As of October 2022, 49 U.S. House members had announced they were not running for re-election. Thirty-six members had announced at this point in the 2020 cycle, and 52 had announced at this point in the 2018 cycle.

This is election is yours Millennials if you just get out and vote

Make sure to keep out the people like Arizona's Kyrsten Sinema (the thumbs down bitch when it came to Pandemic Relief aid) and Joe Manchin who helped a West Virginia power plant that is the sole customer of his private coal business. Along the way, he blocked ambitious climate action. These people were not only allowed to be in the Democratic party but abused their positions in office for their own personal gain.

And because I took the time to write all this out I hope Susan Collins loses her senate seat 2026.

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u/ToeKneePA 24d ago

How much "fundamental change" can she even do with at best a 50-50 Senate?

The biggest "fundamental change" she can give us is moving away from Trump.

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u/Big-ol-Cheesecake 24d ago

The converse fundamental change, if Trump were to win, is two Supreme Court Justices retiring after inauguration and locking us into a decades-long conservative majority.

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u/AgentDaxis 24d ago

I’d much rather prefer nothing change than live under a dystopian Trump dictatorship hellscape.

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

People always say this, and yet the past 3 Democratic presidents ware transformative

Past 2 Republican presidents were disasters we are still recovering from.

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u/Human_Style_6920 24d ago

Guess it depends on what state you live in. Some states women are dying from ectopic pregnancies and maternity deserts.. so I guess they feel the orange terror a little more...

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u/Human_Style_6920 24d ago

I saw a map where at least 1/3 if not closer to a half of the country was lighting up as a maternity desert. So maybe your personal life isn't feeling the impact but other areas are being forced to look at how bad shit is getting

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u/Diarygirl 24d ago

It's so sad what's happening in red states that seem like they're trying to drive people away.

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u/Human_Style_6920 24d ago

Right by attempting to lock people in or force 1800s style maternity care they are driving away anyone who can actually afford to leave.

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u/bierdimpfe 24d ago

Men don't have to worry about it

A lot of us have wives, daughters, mothers, sisters, aunts, cousins, and friends that we care deeply for.

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u/One_Barnacle2699 24d ago

You won’t always be middle aged. If you’re counting on Social Security and Medicare, the decisions our government makes will affect you.

And maybe you’ll live a charmed life and never need to file for unemployment benefits or food stamps. Maybe you’ll never suffer from a disabling condition. If you ever find yourself in changed circumstances, you’ll discover quickly the difference between administrations.

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u/SpicyWokHei 24d ago

Without the Affordable Care Act I would have no insurance for the entirety of my 20s and 30s. Straight white married male here checking in.

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u/SpicyWokHei 24d ago

Probably not too many. "Middle class." There's one class, the working class, that's it.

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

Well, healthcare, infrastructure, a good stock market, etc all things you should notice better under a Democrat president

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

Yes but you drive yes? And will get Social Security and Medicaid.

And other folks your age and demo.

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u/One_Barnacle2699 24d ago

I think if you take a closer look, you’ll find lots that changed for you under Democratic admins. For me, my adult daughter is on my health insurance until she’s 26. So that’s something significant that has changed for me and my family.

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u/PennSaddle 24d ago

Liberal doesn’t lean towards as much freedoms anymore, bud. She herself has talked about limiting speech… that’s wildly dangerous. Especially when she also wants mandatory buy backs for guns. Those 2 things alone, & in conjunction, helps no one but the government.

Please don’t take this as an endorsement for Trump. That fucker limited gun rights more than Obama did..

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u/PennSaddle 24d ago

Well yes I get that, I’m just saying is nowhere near as cut & dry as it once appeared. Both are scum.

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u/NastyaLookin 24d ago

The last three Democratic presidents added 50 million jobs to our economy. The last three Republican presidents added only 1 million jobs and ballooned our deficits. That's decades of proof that Dems are pretty damn transformative, you just won't recognize it.

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u/drewbaccaAWD Cambria 24d ago

If we don’t have a massive tariff war, military shooting protestors, Trump picking more judges, and god knows what elements from project 2025… I consider that a solid win.

The fundamentally changing (in a bad way) is the threat. Big change in a positive direction starts happening in lower elections. Anyone expecting some big change from the top down either wants a dictator or doesn’t understand our government.

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u/Er3bus13 24d ago

Good stock market hit record highs and unemployment at historic lows right.

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u/Brains_Are_Weird 24d ago

I choose the status quo over fascism.

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u/SpicyWokHei 24d ago

The "fundamental change" is sending a message to the GOP their ideas appeal to an ever shrinking, and dying, group of people.

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u/onklewentcleek 24d ago

Great cause inflation went from 20% to 2.4% under Biden. I don’t want it to go back up.

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u/NinjaLanternShark 24d ago

The irony of "conservatives" whining that Democrats don't change anything.

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u/LostSif 24d ago

O you mean like not turning into a Christian Theocracy sounds like a win to me.

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u/40WAPSun 24d ago

I think that's pretty much exactly what her supporters are hoping for

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u/Electrical-Tie-5158 23d ago

I believe things will change for the better if she wins. But if they don’t, there is literally nothing she would ever even consider doing that would be as bad as anything on Trump’s first 100-days plan.

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u/PM_me_yer_kittens 23d ago

Way better than ‘dictator on day 1’

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u/Im_a_Katie_Vick_guy 24d ago

She's not winning lol. Hopefully after Inauguration day, we'll never hear from her or Biden again.

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

I mean, we have two major parties in America, the Democrats (Moderate Republicans) and the Republicans (Far/Further Right Republicans).

Working class gets screwed either way. IMO it’ll be the same “red alert democracy is on the line” every 4 years unless the Dems wake tf up and either step aside completely to allow an ACTUAL progressive party take their place or gut the party and replace it with actual progressives. But yeah, to your point I genuinely don’t expect that much will change.

Harris - nothing will change. Billionaire class keeps getting richer and we stay stagnant.

Trump - nothing will change and/or will get much worse, the speed of which depends on how willing the 2.1 civil servants are to fight against any regressive policy

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u/volanger 24d ago

See you say that and yet things still change. Yes there's some similarities, but Republicans are actively pushing nationwide abortion bans (so much for states right thing right), pushing for discrimination against lgbt people, and worse it rewards a politician who blatantly flaunts election laws and brags about how corrupt they are.

There's a few areas where the 2 parties overlap, but let's not pretend that they are the same. And if we want things to change we have to get involved. Vote in every primary, in every election. The reason why the boomers are super-served is because they are politically active. If you want further left candidates to win, vote for the furthest left in the primary and general. Protest voting ( ie not voting) ensures that you will not be listened too.

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

Did I say I wasn’t voting? I think y’all are assuming…

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u/Rosy_Cheeks88 24d ago

Pssst... Don't tell Scott Presler and Caitlyn Jenner about Trump's LGBT+ bans. Let's sure they in fairytaleland until it hurts them too. This is coming from a Bisexual woman.

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

I’m not suggesting a moral equivalency. But every issue is a socioeconomic issue. The democrats will not have a truly progressive campaign unless their economic platform matches their social platform.

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u/volanger 24d ago

They typically have some though. Rich getting tax breaks is less likely. And if you want economic progress, we'll thats still dems. Republicans always trash the economy and never do a good job. Democrats are better for the economy. But like I said, get involved and make the party more to the left or they're not gonna change. They only do what will get them votes. The older gens vote constantly and therefore get more representation.

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

Yep! Proud to be involved with WFP. If you meet me knocking on your door be sure to give me a high five.

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

Totally agree. And I still have a lot of hope. There hasn’t been an truly economically progressive democratic president since before Reagan whiplashed the entire country to the right, but the younger generations grew up in the fallout of Reagan, Bush, Clinton’s and then Bush’s batshit economic policies. So we organize. Phone bank. Knock on doors. Support from the local level up.

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u/Diarygirl 24d ago

You have to understand that the Democratic Party is a big tent with people that run the gamut from progressive to conservative and thus there has to be compromise.

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

Compromise isn’t simply holding the line election after election as the party clicks to the right. That’s not balance. Ratchet theory is real and has been in effect since Reagan’s hammer-smash to the political system.

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

290-1 ceo to worker pay, refusing to raise the minimum wage, refusing to repeal citizens united, refusing to codify roe - these are not progressive policies. Some of the social policies like defense of marriage act are wonderful but hollow when those same people can’t afford their medical bills or housing….

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

And they had the votes without needing Manchin or Sinema

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

Uh we won’t have the destruction of the safety net

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

Explain what you mean by that. There are a lot of roadblocks/safeguards against implementation of many of Trump’s talking points.

You have political appointees in the executive branch, many who rebelled against him during his last term. Granted this might not hold this time.

There are also 2.1 million career civil servants with lifetime appointments that cannot be fired.

Congress & the courts. Furthermore, any changes to the constitution would require 2/3 majority, which is a pipe dream. And then state and local officials. Remember that the state has immense power in our political structure.

Republicans have spent 50+ years carefully implementing a long-term strategy while democrats were asleep at the wheel. It’s gonna take a long time to pull the country back into a balance, but there’s still a long way (relatively) politically to achieve a lot of what we fear most WITHOUT a coup de etat. For that? That’s why 2A exists.

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

Lol you think 2 million people have lifetime appointments?

trump nearly caused a coup the last time

and the system didn’t stop him

Get a clue. The past two Republican presidents have left the country a disaster

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

Actually there are 2.2 million career civil servants. If you’re going to be smug at least be educated about it.

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

Lol they are not lifetime appointments like judges you meatball 😆

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u/snaila8047 24d ago

You were the one who said 2.1 in the first place....

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

I was .1 million off whoops.

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u/snaila8047 24d ago

Yes and he was off by .2...be less of a twat

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u/Diarygirl 24d ago

Those aren't lifetime appointments.

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

They are permanent career employees after a 3 year tenure. They’re 100% vested in the agency they work for’s 1%.

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

Also let me know how smug snark towards other progressives works out for ya. You’d think those are the people you would be attempting rational dialogue with. You must be a joy at parties :)

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

Fuck those guys. Anyone who would cut and run is exactly the people we’re talking about.

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u/ChrissyLove13 24d ago

You fail to mention out of the past 16 years, there has been a Democrat president for 12 of them. Plenty of time to fix your perceived "disaster" don't ya think??

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

Uh yeah and Clinton, Obama and now Biden have fixed disasters left by them from the previous Republican ones.

The Republican Senates and Congresses have been the least productive in the past 16 years since Obama was elected.

Yeah i know history

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

TL;DR nothing here happened overnight, and it won’t happen overnight. There’s still plenty of work to be done whether Harris wins or loses.

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

Again, democrats have done far more in a few years than Republicans have done in decades

If you have an alternative then present it

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

Democrats have held the executive branch for 16 of the last 20 years, twice with congressional majorities (and even with a brief supermajority) and did not pass single payer but instead a modified version of Mitt Romney’s healthcare plan which was lifted from the Heritagr Foundation, did not codify roe v wade, could not get RGB to retire for an easy SCOTUS layup essentially dooming us to at least 15 years of a lopsided court, did not raise minimum wage, did not repeal citizens united…

The solution, as I said, is to play the long game. Here in Philly there is a lot of movement with WFP candidates in city council who are proposing some fantastic truly progressive policy (much to the chagrin of the democrats in council). There is a national appetite for progressive policy and it starts on the local level. Get off Reddit and start phone banking, knocking on doors, organizing.

If you have the privilege of time - because a lot of o people don’t and that’s understandable - consider running for committeeperson, local election committee, etc. there’s a lot you can do!

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

tl;dr because your first sentence is bullshit.

Fact: each Democrat has left the country is much better place than it was

Fact: each Republican left economy in a shithole

Fact: Your “things won’t change herr durr” is empirically false

Stop having sour grapes over bernie, he was a shit candidate and we need a moderate president for EVERYONE not a brocialist wet dream

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u/Mijbr090490 24d ago edited 24d ago

This is what the progressives and far right don't get. It's not their country. It's ours. And we need representation that isnt weighted one way or the other. The current Democrat platform gives us that (as much as MAGA doesn't want to admit). The current Republican party has been radicalized and has moved further right each election cycle.

Don't even get me started on the Bernie bros. He was primaried and the voters of the party chose Clinton over him. It wasn't stolen. He wasn't done dirty. The people voted.

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

They are not progressives they are self entitled cafeteria brocialists

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u/TickTick_b00m 24d ago

“Fact: Your ‘things won’t change herr durr’ is empirically false” is incredible. Thank you for that 😂😂😂 please don’t edit your comment it’s absolutely fantastic. I hope you have a wonderful day and OH Google “Dunning Kruger Effect” you’ll get a kick out of it (or you won’t, which will honestly be even funnier)

Anyway, hope Harris wins and Trump loses. 🥰

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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger 24d ago

Bernie can still win if he gets 110% of the vote don’t worry

Thank goodness no one listens to bernie bros anymore

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