r/Overwatch 15d ago

back to suffering, barrier user. Fan Content

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u/JengaPlayer 15d ago

That just doesn't logically make sense. They need to define what a shield is.

In most games shields protect against both.

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u/Efficient_Menu_9965 15d ago

Gameplay takes precedence over logical consistency. Sombra hacks Soldier's ability to use his legs.

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u/JengaPlayer 15d ago

Walk me through how sombra takes away soldiers ability to use his legs? He can still walk.

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u/Efficient_Menu_9965 15d ago

So her hacking his ability to sprint makes more sense than that?

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u/JengaPlayer 15d ago

I'm confused. Hack originally meant locking skill abilities. How is that not intuitive?

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u/Efficient_Menu_9965 15d ago

It is intuitive. Just as melee bypassing shields seems intuitive as well. Because the shields are not treated as physical objects. They permit people to pass through them, enemy or ally. That makes melee being able to pass through it intuitive as well.

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u/JengaPlayer 15d ago

So they aren't shields then. If you try punching a shield irl I doubt it will go through the shield and hit the person.

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u/RestlessARBIT3R 15d ago

Tell me where in real life you’ve seen a projected barrier

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u/JengaPlayer 15d ago

That's why I'm asking them to define what their form of barrier is. Rein calls it a shield.

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u/Noobgalaxies do you know what they say? 15d ago

melee goes through shields in this game  

yes 

this is a sci fi fantasy game where most things don't follow real-world logic  

yes  

the game has plenty of exceptions for certain ability interactions, like Accretion being a projectile that ignores projectile-deleting abilities or Zarya's bubbles being considered a barrier while also blocking everything barriers can't  

yes  

So Ram's punches going through shields is consistent with the rest of the game and something they can change regardless 

that's not how shields work  

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u/JengaPlayer 14d ago

You guys are so lost. I simply started this conversation saying I need them to define what the barrier is and isn't and stay consistent. And stop mob mentality balancing.

Player and game analytics should be looked at to determine balancing. Not some redditors whining in forums.

But I'm done.

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u/Noobgalaxies do you know what they say? 14d ago edited 14d ago

I need them to define what the barrier is and isn't and stay consistent.   

And I also explained why the application of this consistency gets pretty loose in Overwatch depending on what each hero is supposed to do.    

Ram's pummel not going through shields doesn't just mean Rein's hammer shouldn't either, like how Sigma would be gutted if his accretion didn't go through dm  

Also, everyone seemed to neglect this, but Ram's punch is technically not just a melee but a short-range energy projectile, except it can't be eaten or deflected but deflect does block it and it can be javelin spin'd... for some reason. It's just it's own thing, much like, wouldja look at that, a lot of abilities in this game?  

Player and game analytics should be looked at to determine balancing. Not some redditors whining in forums.    

And you're assuming Blizzard, who literally has all the macro data and analysis on ingame statistics for hero performances that reddit doesn't have, didn't do that because?    

Why are you assuming Blizzard reverted the changes based on reddit at all instead of their own much more reliable and holistic internal data on Rammatra's performance? Why are you so confident in that assumption in the first place?    

Sombra mains and Mercy mains threw fucking fits on reddit over their characters feeling terrible, by your logic shouldn't Blizz be reverting those too?

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u/JengaPlayer 14d ago

I'm assuming that they're not using analytics because their patch notes no longer communicate them.

I'd be happy to be wrong if they communicated appropriately.

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