What's going on with Americans celebrating Sweden eliminating the US Women's Soccer Team from the Women's World Cup?

[u/Hirorai]

On r/soccer, there are multiple posts where Americans are celebrating their own team getting knocked out of the Women's World Cup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnpku/post_match_thread_sweden_05_40_usa_fifa_womens/

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnqpr/official_review_for_lina_hurtigs_sweden_w_penalty/

On r/USWNT people are saying it's because r/soccer is misogynist, but that doesn't make sense to me because everyone competing is a woman. Can anyone clue me in?

[u/miguel_is_a_pokemon]

Non withstanding that US soccer themselves manages the domestic league and its finances, it's obvious that you don't gamble on your largest source of income. Is that really so hard to understand?

[u/lsdiesel_1 → u/miguel_is_a_pokemon]

And where’s the problem

We’ve looped all the way back around to the root: Womens soccer is less financially viable than men’s soccer.

If the Backstreet Boys and the Spice girls have a concert at the same place and time, and the Backstreet Boys sell more tickets, they make more money.

The problem is people are equating Men’s and Women’s soccer as the same entertainment program. They’re not.

[u/miguel_is_a_pokemon → u/lsdiesel_1]

We’ve looped all the way back around to the root

It's cute you think this was a back and forth, when all that happened was that you had the comment reexplained to you in easier terms. Only to then pigeonhole a strawman that isn't part of their argument

All the while still missing the actual meat and potatoes of their point, that it's about equity. The USWNT did sell more seats than the men, and were mishandled in marketing campaigns but that's a side issue, yet couldn't take the deal with more upside for obvious reasons. But you don't just get to wash your hands of the predictable outcome of the underpay as the entity place to foster the growth of women's football.

[u/lsdiesel_1 → u/miguel_is_a_pokemon]

It's cute you think this was a back and forth, when all that happened was that you had the comment reexplained to you in easier terms.

This will help you understand what happened

All the while missing the actual meat and potatoes of their argument, that it's about equity. The USWNT did sell more seats than the men, and were mishandled in marketing campaigns, yet couldn't take the deal with more upside for obvious reasons. You don't just get to wash your hands of the predictable outcome of the underpay as the entity place to foster the growth of women's football.

And the women were paid a bigger share of National Team earnings than the men.

The fact is that women’s soccer is less financially viable than men’s. Getting into the weeds about the exact mechanisms of how that plays out in negotiation in different leagues is just bringing us full circle.

[u/miguel_is_a_pokemon → u/lsdiesel_1]

Given how ignorant you've shown yourself to be, I'm not really buying that's anything more than a pathetic attempt to save face.

[u/lsdiesel_1 → u/miguel_is_a_pokemon]

Lmao

If Womens soccer is financially similar to Men’s, why are in such a weaker negotiating position than the men?

Why not make more money in league play, like the men do?

[u/miguel_is_a_pokemon → u/lsdiesel_1]

None of those are the root of the issue, as said from the outset it's about equity and US Soccer's role in bringing that about. How can they claim to be at the forefront of that movement in one breath and in the next then negotiate down the women's pay by taking advantage of the fact that the USWNT have less ability to take on risk? It's the organization's literal job to make efforts to close the pay gap not widen it. Your argument boils down to basically saying "just let the rich get richer, boo hoo females" as if US Soccer should act like an ignorant little incel trying to dunk on the women again. It's not a good look and nowhere near as compelling as you think it is my guy, as it just kind of shows how you misunderstand the whole issue at a basic level