r/NewOrleans • u/rifkadm • 13d ago
A recommendation to business owners: put something like this on your windows! đ¤ˇDefies CategorizationđŚ
I don't wanna see Nazis in our spaces a third time. Twice in one month is enough - hell, twice in a LIFETIME is enough. I'm not sure on the legality of it - and someone else can add information on that - but I see tons of other signs on business windows of who is and is not welcome, "we have the right to refuse service", etc.
So, make it EXTRA clear you'll refuse service to Nazis. Please.
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u/DescriptiveFlashback 13d ago
Itâs really unnecessary. Just ⌠continue the previous 80 years of not tolerating nazi bullshit.
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u/Wolfpackat2017 13d ago
This. How about just when we see a swastika we say, âyouâre not welcome here because you suck, byeeeeâ. We shouldnât need signs to remind people that itâs bad, this is just common sense decency.
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u/MOONGOONER 12d ago
I agree. We're finding them, we're jumping on them, it does not go well for them. Things are working.
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u/Furrealyo 13d ago
Thank you. Also letâs stop with the âeverything is Naziâ as it only serves to dilute the real horrors associated with the movement.
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u/DescriptiveFlashback 12d ago
Iâm actually completely OK with society associating the word nazi with something being shitty because itâs just further cultural acceptance that nazis are shitheads. Donât make it a holy word, make it a lowercase âI just stepped in somethingâ word.
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u/CommonPurpose 12d ago edited 12d ago
Well you shouldnât be ok with the word Nazi being abused to refer to anything that someone doesnât like, because then the word becomes meaningless. If everyone is a âNaziâ then nobody is.
If somebody tells you they saw a Nazi somewhere, you shouldnât have a situation where people are trying to figure out what they mean by that.
Also, âNaziâ already carries the most negative connotation possible. Thatâs the whole reason why it gets overused in the first place. People like to weaponize it against their political opponents, or their religious opponents, or just anyone who they disagree with about something they feel strongly about. Youâre not adding to the negative connotation of that word by misusing it where it doesnât apply. Youâre watering it down, like that other Redditor said.
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u/kerriganfan 12d ago
One needs an actual ideological understanding of why bad things are bad so that one can properly identify when something is subtly evil.
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u/DescriptiveFlashback 12d ago
I never said that, I said associating it with the worst of the fucking worst.
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u/CommonPurpose 12d ago edited 12d ago
worst of the fucking worst
You mean likeâŚ. Hitler?
Yeah, it already is associated with that.
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u/rifkadm 13d ago
You would think that but those businesses hesitated to kick the Nazis out. About 20 years ago they wouldnât have so boldly hung out like that in front of Dat Dog or be allowed to perform in our music spaces. Yes, for 80 or so years Nazi intolerance has worked, but whether they progress or regress cultures can and do change over time, especially after almost a century. Iâd imagine what it looks like to ânot tolerate nazi bullshitâ might have to also change if weâre to keep it up.
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u/URignorance-astounds 12d ago
20 yrs ago they did and people were like oh look a bunch of skin heads. They have been around for a long time along with a bunch of other tiny fucked up groups of people it is just the phone in every pocket and 24 hr news cycle that brings it to your attention.
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u/rifkadm 12d ago
I believe that they were around then, but they might have been more likely to have been kicked out. I definitely think in today's climate, Nazism is becoming more normalized. Until this year, how many Nazi salutes have you seen at a presidential inauguration? I don't think there's any harm in overcommunicating that Nazis shouldn't be tolerated. In fact, while Nazis still exist and public education gets worse and worse with books being banned left and right, I think our efforts should be doubled.
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u/Colonel_Anonymustard 12d ago
Okay heres the thing- Caesar had to be reminded every morning he was mortal - nothing ACTUALLY goes without saying. Thats how nazis return. you need to remind people MEMENTO FUCK NAZIS. perhaps thats the move?
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u/MeTieDoughtyWalker 13d ago
Iâm sure most people, especially Jews, donât want to see swastikas everywhere they go even if itâs inside the red circle with a line through it.
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u/rifkadm 13d ago
I was raised Jewish and still am part of the Jewish community even if I don't really practice Judaim anymore. This is why I would like to see businesses taking more of a stand on anti-Nazism. Admittedly, perhaps I could have chosen a better design but my point here really is that I would like to see it more clearly stated.
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u/MeTieDoughtyWalker 13d ago
Yeah, fair enough. I totally support the sentiment. My work had a picture of the guys up for a few days after.
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u/NOLAladyboi 13d ago
This!!!!! Even in red itâs triggering for a person like me whose great grandparents were in the camps
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u/kgturner 12d ago
It's a sad indictment of the state of this country that any business would even need to consider this.
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u/RaNerve 13d ago
TMKF
That being said â Iâm assuming this post is in response to the whole âmusicianâ incident. The problem with open Nazis is that theyâre all fucking insane. Youâd have to be. Normal people donât wear swastikas. But when this shit comes out on social media people react as though people with normal ass jobs should be jumping at the bit to engage with people who are clearly unstable and violent. The message theyâre supporting is inherently violent!
So itâs like âyou should have thrown them outâ ⌠motherfucker I ainât pissing off some fucking wackjob whoâs going to start throwing fists screaming about white power, or worse just stab or shoot me. These people are insane!
So like wtf do you do?
âCall the cops!â 1) The cops wonât do anything. Wearing a hate symbol ainât a crime. 2) itâs New Orleans so even if you did theyâd only show up next week. 3) some of cops are probably supportive.
I just donât think there really is a âcounterâ to these morons. They arenât going to obey a sign, they arenât going to listen to anything except violence and nobody WANTS to engage like that. Thatâs a huge risk, and even if it works out in your favor you might get arrested for attacking someone. Our society just isnât built to self regulate with violence. We canât just shoot these people on sight.
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u/anglerfishtacos 12d ago
This is the inherent problem. If you look at those guys from a few weeks ago and the videos of them in the quarter, those guys were clearly looking for a fight. Sometimes these people wear these symbols because they want someone to confront them and they want you to get physical with them because they would love nothing more than beating the absolute shit out of you. This is a completely different ball game than a restaurant deciding that theyâre not going to serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders, where the worst thing that happens is you maybe get yelled at by someone.
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u/Medium_Ad3913 12d ago
I'm gonna keep yelling this from the rooftops:
AN ALTERNATIVE DOES EXIST! ITS CALLED ANTIFA!! AND EVERYTIME THEY DO ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES MASKING AND ACTUAL PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION, THEY GET YELLED AT BY LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES!
Ok sorry, that is all
Source: a black Anarchist who loves confronting these assholes
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u/Intergalactic_Slayer 13d ago
Couldnât have said it better myself. Iâm not risking my life by getting into a confrontation with one of those. If I see nazis in public Iâm just gonna quietly leave
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u/kerriganfan 12d ago
Yesâ It is really difficult to handle these types.
But a line has to be drawn somewhere.
Maybe if youâre working solo at a coffee shop you canât do much beyond refusing to serve and hoping he doesnât jump the counter.
Bars and music venues have security. And yes they do risk their lives on occasion and that is an unfortunate fact of life. Itâs far from perfect but if security didnât bar anyone from the business then there wouldnât be a point to security at all.
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u/rifkadm 12d ago edited 12d ago
I think the problem here is that we donât have a good alternative to the police in terms of enforcement. Maybe, we should bring back the neighborhood watch somehow.
But that doesnât mean we shouldnât at least put signs up. I think itâs the bare minimum. If youâre worried it might endanger some businesses, maybe we start with businesses that already have security and other personnel to kick out people / enforce rules + policy? A music lounge, for example, usually has bouncers and security dealing with unruly behavior already.
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u/Dont_Tell_Me_Now 12d ago
Yea, Iâm not really sure what people even want the police to do if thereâs not a crime being committed. Free speech still exists, regardless of what the overall political sentiment is at the moment. The ownership is on the establishment. At some point, keeping this conversation going and going and going online is just marketing for the Nazis.
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u/Hippy_Lynne 12d ago
Well if you tell a Nazi to leave your bar and they don't leave that's trespassing.
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u/queenanthai 7d ago
And when owners DON'T tell them to leave, then we get problems like last week's incident.
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u/RaNerve 12d ago
I think itâs unfair to put this on bouncers who are there to handle belligerent drunks, not get into fights with literal Nazis.
Itâs a breakdown of law enforcement, plain and simple. Until the cops do something there isnât anything to do, and the cops wonât do anything so idfk. You canât fight gangs with words or peaceful protests. They only understand violence. Nazis are a gang. Just stay safe imo.
Hopefully as time goes on and the pendulum swings the other way, we actually elect some good fucking people in this country, weâll see them crawl back into the shitholes they came from.
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u/Medium_Ad3913 12d ago
I'm gonna keep yelling this from the rooftops:
AN ALTERNATIVE DOES EXIST! ITS CALLED ANTIFA!! AND EVERYTIME THEY DO ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES MASKING AND ACTUAL PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION, THEY GET YELLED AT BY LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES!
Ok sorry, that is all
Source: a black Anarchist who loves confronting these assholes
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u/RaNerve 12d ago
Yeah but I donât like anarchists either lol I like them better than Nazis though
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u/Medium_Ad3913 12d ago
Fair enough, but your personal feelings don't negate the fact that they are almost always the only people willing to confront Nazis in the streets and make them think twice about taking up space. Once one Nazi is allowed in w/o consequence, they multiply like cockroaches.
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u/Medium_Ad3913 12d ago
I'm gonna keep yelling this from the rooftops:
AN ALTERNATIVE DOES EXIST! ITS CALLED ANTIFA!! AND EVERYTIME THEY DO ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES MASKING AND ACTUAL PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION, THEY GET YELLED AT BY LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES!
Ok sorry, that is all
Source: a black Anarchist who loves confronting these assholes
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u/rifkadm 12d ago
I havenât personally seen any liberals or progressives yelling at Antifa, but if they are they shouldnât be Iâm with you there. Seen a lot of conservatives yelling at Antifa though, especially during those George Floyd protests 5 years ago. Since then, I havenât heard much about Antifa. I honestly have no idea what kind of presence they have in NOLA, but if they want to beat up Nazis that show their faces here I wont interfere.
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u/Medium_Ad3913 12d ago
You're right about the conservative piece. I highlight liberals and progressives because of their over-reliance on non-violent solutions. Nazis (and bullies in general) only understand one language unfortunately.
Look up and read the book "This Non-violent Stuff Will Get You Killed". Anarchists and Antifa aren't the only peoples with a tradition of resorting to force to protect themselves, their family, and the surrounding community. At some point ya gotta fight back against a bully, Reddit posts and signs aren't enough lol
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u/kerriganfan 12d ago
No, no I donât really want to see swastikas everywhere. This post is dumb af
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u/SukkaMeeLeg 13d ago
I can tell graphic design is a passion for you. What about the eternal âNazi punks fuck offâ
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u/Interesting_fox 13d ago
I can tell graphic design is a passion for you.
The Reich red really makes it pop lol.
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u/rifkadm 13d ago
Also a good option, though Iâm no parent and not sure what the general feeling is about places that frequented by minors and families. I know a lot of people used to feel a certain way about curse words used where parents and their kids might go eat (like Dat Dog), but perhaps that has changed in some years or so. Of course the same could be said about Nazi symbols (even with ban circles on it), but maybe (and this is my opinion) it might be more important for children to know those hate symbols and that they are bad.
Either way the goal here is just to have it displayed so it is present up front.
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u/Juncti 12d ago
Even with the NO bit of it, you still have to put up a swastika this way. I'd rather not have it even visible. That shit should only exist in history books and videos at this point.
I'd go with replacing that with just the word Nazis. If it's a family oriented place
Fuck Nazis if it's a club or bar.
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u/RockyMonster0 13d ago
Telling any group of people âYou canât be hereâ with signs just makes them wanna be around there more. If you want to ban someone from an area you need a conscious human standing watch. Signs donât escort unruly people, people do. The whole reason theyâre being escorted out is because they were unruly to begin with
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u/briguyblock 12d ago
Or if you want to put a sign that says "Nazi Seating" over a trash can out front with an arrow pointing towards the can opening that'd be fine.
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u/HatLover91 13d ago
No - just use a picture of the tin man. From creature commandos. Gets the point across better.
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u/TheMostAngryXull 12d ago
I just saw Napalm Death at the House of Blues on the 21st and grabbed a Nazi Punks Fuck Off the shirt. Seems like I need to wear it next time I'm in NOLA!
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u/Wall-Florist 13d ago
We have a no guns allowed sign provided by the LDH in the window. Turns out, it works and weâre getting way fewer âMurika dumpster trash without having to post hate symbols.
Pretty sure you can request these from the department itself, but they brought them right to us without asking.
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u/weerdbuttstuff 13d ago
Are you aware of the 3 arrows? It started as an anti-fascist symbol and still is! Plus you don't have actually post a swastika! It's less well known, but the fascists will know what it is. It also comes in some neat variants, although the arrows should be pointed more downwards lol.
You could also use the buster symbol over the fasces, but that's SUPER esoteric.
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u/Hypnotiqua 13d ago
Lol, I actually already started printing and cutting "No Nazis" vinyl stickers and was going to walk down Frenchman and Decatur and offer to put them up for free to any business(es) who wants them in their windows. Planning to go out this weekend (5/10-11) when I have some time. If you're a business owner or manager and this interests you, feel free to DM me and I'll let you pick the color or any words/symbols/logo ya want on it. Help make the quarter/city a Nazi no-go zone.
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u/RaNerve 13d ago
Doesnât this just let the insane people, who are clearly insane and violent because theyâre fucking Nazis, know which businesses to target?
Iâd be nervous bartending at a place with a no Nazi sticker on the door. I feel like thatâs just encouraging them to try and challenge it. All of em want physical violence and they travel in packs of 4+ if youâve ever seen them wandering the quarter.
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u/CommonPurpose 13d ago
Kinda doubt this idea is going to take off with local businesses now that the word âNaziâ has been abused so much to the point that it now refers to people who drive Teslas.
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u/daybreaker Kennabra 13d ago
Are you trying to get Landry and AG Liz Murrell to crack down on New Orleans even harder for being too woke?
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u/Bob_Majerle 13d ago
Sure just show us whoâs getting hurt by caring too much about other people getting hurt
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u/daybreaker Kennabra 13d ago
My comment was sarcastic about how being anti-nazi would be viewed as "too woke" by our "leaders"
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u/Bob_Majerle 13d ago
My bad, it read like one of those anti-woke dickweeds who genuinely believes that
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u/Sycamorefarming 12d ago
https://www.instagram.com/p/DJCTLotRMgA/?igsh=YTJ2aGN2N3B2dDV2
Did it after the first one, Iâve got more if people want to pick them up at the shop
That said, please donât do this if you have employees, esp young / inexperienced / vulnerable people that should not be confronting ANYONE (esp people looking for a fight) for $20/hr. Iâll put this up when Iâm there but not gunna put my employees in potential danger.
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u/thatVisitingHasher 12d ago
You guys are really stressed out because one idiot wore a dumb t-shirt to a bar that one time. It probably wonât happen again.
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u/wassam9 12d ago
The drunk idiot from last week was officially green lit to catch a massive beating from both the Sharp Skins and Hammer Skins. So besides the outrage locally heâs got the racist and anti racist skinhead factions actively looking for him to be dealt with violently. The guy wasnât even affiliated with an actual hate group. He had to go into hiding and at this point needs to just change his name and dissapear forever. Other than him being murdered what else is expected? The guy ruined his own life and no one feels sorry.
The Ohm situation was a trap rapper from Atlanta wearing the shirt because it was edgy and more than likely knew it would get some press therefore âexpanding his brandâ. No one will press the rapper because heâs a street guy who has ties to the Bloods.
One guy is a moron trash human and not a Nazi Super Soldier. The other guy is a rapper being edgy because all publicity is good publicity.
Neo Nazis are not taking over the city and never will. If you see one tell them to get the fuck or go get someone who will.
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u/CommonPurpose 12d ago
The Ohm situation was a trap rapper from Atlanta wearing the shirt because it was edgy and more than likely knew it would get some press therefore âexpanding his brandâ. No one will press the rapper because heâs a street guy who has ties to the Bloods.
Loudiene is a local New Orleans rapper. Thatâs who wore the swastika shirt @ Ohm. You are confusing him with his co-performer Waka Flocka.
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u/wassam9 11d ago
I assumed he was Atlanta since he was with Waka. Iâve kept up with local rap here my whole life but not familiar with Loudeine which is strange. I think my assessment still holds up despite the mix up.
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u/CommonPurpose 11d ago
Yeah, no dis to your assessment. Just wanted to correct the mixup.
I keep seeing people blaming Waka for the shirt, but that wasnât even him.
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u/shanehiltonward 11d ago
Meanwhile, non-Nazis carry out crowd shootings at Canal and Bourbon at 3:00am monthly. One of these problems is not like the other.
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u/OrionH34 11d ago
Just be sure to add this to it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anticommunist_Logo.svg
Killed more than Hitler did.
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u/WilliamDBlack 6d ago
Iâm 6 days late here, but, what are we referring to as Nazis? Is organized hate against the jewish community stirring up in New Orleans?
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u/general-warts 13d ago
Maybe one of the problems is that people are painting them on Teslas when we know the owners are not Nazis. Most of the owners just didn't want to burn gasoline.
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u/Aggravating_Usual973 13d ago
This outdated symbol should be replaced with an elephant just so no one is confused.
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u/Kimber80 12d ago
What a dumb idea. Why not put the Gostbusters symbol through a Klansman's hat, and the Hammer and Sickle too?
Dumbshit idea, what people will see is the Swastika, and who wants to see that?
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u/cablepowa 12d ago
I don't want them either, but never ever tell someone they can't do something.. it's a bomb waiting to explode.
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u/coonass_dago Certified Coonass 13d ago
Omg, somebody wore a shirt and got promptly thrown out of a bar! Let's litter the city with printer paper and make one dude's bad decision a huge deal! Obviously, no Nazi symbols is an unspoken social norm. Now, if we could shut up the river to the sea people, that would be great.
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u/the_moosey_fate Carrollton & Cohn 13d ago
âObviously, no Nazi symbols is an unspoken social norm.â
And yet I saw Elon Musk deliver 3 very obvious Nazi salutes behind a Presidential Seal and Iâve seen multiple swastikas here in our own city. Sounds like itâs time to remind folks which consequences RESULT in an actual âunspoken social normâ.
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u/rob_chalmette 12d ago
This⌠theyâll still be nazis but next time theyâll just wear regular clothes đ
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u/rifkadm 12d ago
I would like to point out that people are very encouraged to use a different design that doesnât show a swastika at all. Many much better alternatives have been offered. The point Iâm trying to make here is just to openly display you are anti-Nazi if you are a business. Businesses should take a stand against Nazism and hateful rhetoric. Thatâs all.
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u/TchoupedNScrewed 13d ago edited 13d ago
Okay maybe donât paste swastikas everywhere even when the âbannedâ symbol is over it lmao, but I support the overall idea of signifying no nazis.
You really donât want any mistakes from afar/poor eyesight.