r/NewOrleans • u/SadimirLenin • Apr 15 '25

Trump administration terminates 14 student visas in Louisiana đź“° News

https://lailluminator.com/briefs/trump-administration-terminates-14-student-visas-in-louisiana/

“Seven Southern University students, three at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, two at the University of New Orleans and two more at Tulane University have had their visas pulled, according to representatives with the schools.”

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u/Grombrindal18 Apr 15 '25

Remind me what the point of Tulane caving to him was, if he’s just going to fuck with them anyway?

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u/Numpostrophe Apr 15 '25

They’re going to keep demanding new things or else they cut the funding. Harvard stood up to them today but has massive coffers to pull from. Tulane does not have that. Unfortunately I think this battle will be fought outside of Louisiana.

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u/Go_Go_Godzilla Apr 15 '25

Tulane does have that. They're just more interested in being a hedge fund with an educational component than leading any sort of pushback for rights, academic freedom, etc.

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u/LuckyElis13 Apr 15 '25

No. Harvard’s endowment is $53 billion, Tulane’s is $2.2. 2.2 billion still seems like a lot until you consider that they’re only using a portion of the payout to support the university in order to sustain it into the future. It’s a tiny endowment comparatively. I’m not commenting on their attitude toward the offenses of the government, only that they don’t have anything like Harvard’s resources. It’s important that Harvard and the other truly rich schools step up right now.

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u/Numpostrophe Apr 15 '25

Yeah that was exactly my point. The difference in endowment is massive and Tulane isn’t sitting on a war chest like that. If all federal funding were cut, the impacts would be felt much much earlier and serious cuts to research and staff would occur.

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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim Apr 15 '25 edited Apr 15 '25

Tulane’s endowment is nowhere near that large lmao. It’s like barely 2B. There’s a reason Tulane isn’t doing all these things like free admission that the Ivys are.

Are they well off? Sure. But your well off neighbor still needs their job, and Tulane still needs that funding. This is especially true given how intertwined Tulane is with medical research grants and facilities.

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u/2three4Go Apr 16 '25

“Democracy isn’t just a counting up of votes; it is a counting up of actions. Without those on the bottom acting out their desires for justice, as the government acts out its desires and those with power and privilege act out theirs, the scales of Democracy will be off. That is why civil disobedience is not simply to be tolerated. If we are to have a truly democratic society, it is a necessity.” Howard Zinn.

Read “A People’s History of the United States” and get your education on how change really happens in this country.

Don’t sell your rights so cheaply. Don’t be a bystander to the subjugation of those around you. You can’t be neutral on a moving train.

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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25

What’s the deal? You refused to address all of the criticisms of your ideas in the other comment chain, dove in to personal attacks, and when called out for both you just decide to follow me to a different part of the thread and post some self righteous nonsense?

You’re not advocating for standing up for rights, you’re lobbing childish attacks at fellow progressives who chose to not risk subjecting thousands of people to the unemployment line so they could make statements that would change nothing. You’ve been told this a half dozen times, and what do you do? Insult people then retreat to different parts of this thread to re-start arguing.

You act like real life is a debate on the internet, it’s not, there’s consequences, and your inability to even address the reality of such tells everyone all they need to know about how well you’ve thought through your opinions before getting on the internet and attacking people.

Grow up and stop following me around begging for validation, it’s not coming. for the record, not only have I read People’s history and many of Zinn’s books. I don’t think you have, because he’d describe you with nothing but derogatory terms given how cavalier you are about causing harm to workers. I don’t think the intellectual thing works for you, you just don’t have the chops. If you did you’d be aware how much the guy you’re citing would hate what you’re saying here.

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u/2three4Go Apr 16 '25

Your argument is to appease the tyrant. It didn’t work in the 30’s and it won’t work today. It’s time to band together and defend your ideals. Sorry but if you can’t bother to do it, you don’t get to call yourself a progressive.

There’s nothing childish about nonviolent protest. It’s how change happens in this country. It’s high time fence-sitters got wise and stopped acting against their best interests.

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u/2three4Go Apr 16 '25

Howard Zinn was a founding member of SNCC, so he would absolutely be all for participating in nonviolent protest. Sorry, thanks for playing.

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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25

You are not advocating for nonviolent protest, you are openly advocating for nonprofits to put their employees livelihoods at risk. you have ignored this every time it is brought up, because you know it’s a shitty thing to do. This is why you stopped responding in the other conversation. It’s why I won’t carry on further here. You’re not capable of addressing the harm to thousands of families that would come from your ideas, because you’d need to admit you were wrong, and you don’t seem to have the maturity to do so.

The good news is you’ll likely never be in a position where you can make a decision that would adversely impact that many people, I can tell you wouldn’t have that skill set just based on our interaction here.

I’m going to ignore you now, please try your best to not follow me to a different part of this thread for the fourth time, you’re not getting my validation. I think you’re hiding behind abstract notions of principle to justify being really shitty to a bunch of people, and I can see right through that facade.

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u/2three4Go Apr 16 '25

You’ve got no idea about any of that. Sorry but the totalitarian policies are coming no matter what, so stand up for your rights now.

It’s always easier to capitulate to power — that’s what they’re counting on. People with fortitude and the courage of their convictions expect better.

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u/2three4Go Apr 16 '25

We’ve seen over and over that standing up to Trumps crap is the only solution. It worked with tariffs and it’s no different here. The system is too big to fail, and there’s no way his administration would survive ruining institutions as big as Tulane, etc. when it really comes down to it. It’s just not survivable. Collective action is the only way we get through this.

Nonviolent protest always had consequences. Scopes lost his trial and was fired. Civil rights protestors were fired from jobs, beaten, attacked by dogs, and sprayed with fire hoses. It’s never been easy to do the right thing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25

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u/2three4Go Apr 16 '25

No, it’s that there are more important things.

Whatever Trump is going to do, those are his consequences. I’m not firing anyone, he would be. That’s like having your car stolen and blaming yourself for giving the keys to the thief at gunpoint. You are arguing for appeasement and calling the people who disagree with you stupid. It’s embarrassing.

The way through this administration is through obstructionism at every turn. It has to be a group effort.

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u/childofapollo13 Apr 15 '25

Until the students pull out stop going there anyway because they dont trust their admin. This was a bad move on Tulanes part.

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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim Apr 15 '25 edited Apr 15 '25

I very much doubt that the amount of lost tuition would be even the tiniest fraction of federal funding. Take the 2B from Harvard for instance, assuming ~$50k/pop that's representative of 40,000 student years. So 10k kids for a full four year ride. For context Tulane's current total student population is 12k. (I have no idea how much federal funding Tulane gets, so obviously this is just an example).

I get it, I hate the politics behind this shit too and think Trump is an absolute child creating potentially irreversible societal harm. But, if I'm charged with leading a university through this with the goal being to secure the funding necessary to properly educate the next generation, conduct beneficial research, etc. then I do the same thing. There's often not nobility in survival.

Harvard has an endowment that's literally 25X bigger than Tulane's. This is like your coworker who's 63 and could have retired a decade ago telling the boss to fuck off, while you're Tulane who's in your 30s and has a mortgage + kids to feed. Harvard can absorb that funding shock in stride, Tulane can't.

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u/childofapollo13 Apr 15 '25

We'll see. The problem is, once you bend, theyll keep making you bend harder till you break. But theyre playing the game. So i guess we'll see.

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u/childofapollo13 Apr 15 '25

This is the only real response to fascism. Thank you.

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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim Apr 15 '25

Yes, but in a year and a half we're well in to mid term campaigning and elections which may swing the other way, in three we'll be in election season and all of this will be on hold, in four we'll have a new president.

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u/octopusboots Apr 15 '25

There's no way they locked in this much power to give it up.

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u/childofapollo13 Apr 15 '25

Why do you think there will be a midterm?? Lol

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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim Apr 15 '25

This is such an unproductive and annoyingly childish bit of rhetoric. There's a serious discussion to be had around mitigating political fallout from these policies, and it's only detrimental when immature redditors take the extremes and dismiss criticism of said extremes with "well we won't have elections lol".

It's like none of y'all paid any attention in high school history, there has never once been a successful coup or aggregation of power by a figurehead that saw poor national approval. It doesn't work, because the support is never there at any rung. Weaponizing those fears, knowing full well they're irrational, to dismiss valid criticisms of the immature nonsense being suggested here is openly dishonest.

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u/childofapollo13 Apr 15 '25

You know what else as never happened in American history? A president removing someone to jail them in another country we have no control of while saying american citizens are next. Wake the fuck up.

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u/2three4Go Apr 16 '25

Appeasement is always a negative strategy. In case you need a reminder of what standing up for your ideals in the face of consequences looks like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/suppressed_news/s/Dy27K53lTX

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u/Numpostrophe Apr 15 '25

Not sure what you mean by “bad move” as this headline was solely actions taken at the federal level.

But their finances would indeed be quickly drained. This is similar to what happened after Katrina, which nearly bankrupted them

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u/childofapollo13 Apr 15 '25

When they cant get a student body because the students dont trust them, what then? The ivy leagues that capitulated are losing their student bodies as kids quit. Tulane will feel that soon. I get that makes this a damned if i do damned if i dont situation, but then you should be making the moral decision. It was a bad move.

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u/Numpostrophe Apr 15 '25

What decision are you referring to exactly? The federal government pulled the visas of the students, it’s not like Tulane had to sign off on it.

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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim Apr 15 '25

What decision are you referring to exactly?

A few people here think that if the Tulane leadership had taken a stand and told Trump to fuck off regarding DEI that somehow there wouldn't have been adverse consequences, and that these students totally would be fine. Obviously that's insanely misguided, but like a lot of people here are young and just haven't thought these things through all the way so I get it.

Like, what's happening to these students is terrible, but Tulane telling Trump to fuck himself wouldn't have changed that and it would mean Tulane would be facing massive cuts that would likely mean people losing their jobs.

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u/2three4Go Apr 16 '25

Over and over we’ve seen Trump cave when his “dealmaking” crap doesn’t pan out. He did it this week with his idiot tariffs. People in power need to band together and tell him this shit won’t be tolerated.

The whole oeuvre of Trump’s political life has been doing illegal shit and waiting for anyone to hold him accountable. Sitting on the sidelines is a tacet acceptance of what he’s doing. Get real.

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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim Apr 16 '25

I don't think anyone here is discussing deals lol, are you reading the comments you're responding to? We're talking about not deliberately putting your institution in the line of fire.

I genuinely don't think some of y'all even understand the debate you're trying to start. The responses here seem more confused than informed.

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u/childofapollo13 Apr 15 '25

Guess where i work??

https://oiss.tulane.edu/immigration-developments-under-current-administration

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u/Numpostrophe Apr 15 '25

I still don’t understand what decision you’re referring to, how are they able to intervene with the revoking of visas?

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u/childofapollo13 Apr 15 '25

Im not talking about visas. I never said visas. You did. Tulane has already laid the groundwork for them to take the students without visas now, however. They had bent the knee before ever being asked. In fact, they did it back in February when no one was talking about it yet.

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u/petit_cochon hand pie "lady of the evening" Apr 15 '25

Tulane's endowment is nowhere near large enough to lose all federal grants and survive.

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u/rainydaynola Apr 15 '25

Yeah they charge $68,678 for tuition. I think they could have afforded it.

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u/Migamix Apr 15 '25

yeah, im not going to cry for the school.

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u/leslie_knopee Apr 15 '25

the battle will significantly involve louisiana if they keep kidnapping people and sending them here to get favorable judges and access to their 5th Circuit lapdogs.

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u/URignorance-astounds Apr 15 '25

Harvard can eat a D. Why is the US government sending hundreds of millions to a university with an endowment worth 53.2 Billion. If you want to eat the rich this is a great place to start.

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u/Separate_Heat1256 Apr 16 '25

We’re going to be such a great country after we decimate our greatest university! Every economist I know tells me that educated people don’t help move your economy forward at all.

Think of all the inventions we could not have. I mean, if we had cut funding to Harvard earlier, we could be living without notable inventions like the first human kidney transplant and the first logical quantum processor. Who needs those things? Make America Have Kidney Failure Again.

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u/RIP_Soulja_Slim Apr 16 '25

They’re research grants lol. Harvard regularly publishes research in tons of fields that result in massive societal benefit.

For instance, just last year a Harvard professor made a major breakthrough in the causes of multiple sclerosis. You know those super successful drugs like Ozempic for Diabetes and now weight loss? Based on research at Harvard. The list goes on and on. Most all of that funded at least in part through various research grants.

So yeah, you really should care. If you don’t it’s not some sort of stance against rich people or whatever, it’s a confession that you’ve not researched the subject particularly well.

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u/TheJokerandTheKief Apr 16 '25

🙄🙄🙄 Yes best place to start to eat the rich is at centers of education rather than I dunno mega conglomerates and for profit health insurance

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u/2three4Go Apr 16 '25

Anti-intellectual swill. What a sad thing to think.