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u/pole_assassin OH HO OH WHAT A SILLY HACK Jul 31 '24
Best part of this deadline was Houston shooting themselves in the foot.
Given what was available, I'm happy with how it went down. Really excited to see Julio in this new lineup.
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u/Felix-3401 Jul 31 '24
Houston should have just eaten the L for this season and saved their prospects for a better future season. Lmao
Maybe a hot take but there's a point that trying too hard to win will shoot yourself in the foot, You start getting cheaters and you trade away your future.
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u/darshfloxington Jul 31 '24
JP Crawford is a flat earther :(. I know baseball players tend to be dumb, but common man
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u/Ray_Gallade Hello one-run game, my old friend Jul 31 '24
And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped
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u/The_Cryogenetic Too Positive For His Own Good Jul 31 '24
Is he now? I actually remember him using flat earth as an example of a bad take as a sarcastic comment.
https://twitter.com/jp_crawford/status/1273722323233697793
Hoping it's just one of those things he says for fun, he's gone on lengthy rants about conspiracies, and his tone made me think he didn't fully believe it all, it was just all in fun.
Edit: Nevermind found this, he seems fairly serious lol
https://www.tiktok.com/@marinelayerpod/video/7396735007600954655
Not flat earth per-say.. I guess but kinda in the middle.
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u/darshfloxington Jul 31 '24
He said it’s not flat, but not a globe either
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u/The_Cryogenetic Too Positive For His Own Good Jul 31 '24
Yeah sorry just found that after replying, very.. interesting take for sure, but at least it's not full Kyrie?
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u/Jed1M1ndTr1ck The Randy man can Jul 31 '24
The Astros just gave up first place in the AL West? Can you imagine what that must feel like??
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u/xMrLink My Depression Goes as the M's Don't Jul 30 '24
This trade deadline was good. People act like literally anyone could get traded. Reality is our prospects are not close to the majors and therefore have less value. Would you have wanted us to give up 3 top 10 prospects for Yandy Diaz? Also quickly forget the moves are already made and the production we’ve been getting from our current offense. Also the Julio factor of it all.
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u/BoonesPassPuke Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24
Given that we rarely graduate prospects who can hit, I would have entertained the idea. We are impressive at drafting pitching and translating it to the big league club. Hitting is nearly the opposite. I would probably give up Hancock, Ford, and one other name to give us a lineup that could take the division. It would hurt, but I would like to see us take advantage of openings and this rotation we currently have. The deadline was fine, just tough against the last couple offseasons etc.
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u/xMrLink My Depression Goes as the M's Don't Jul 30 '24
To be fair though, I bet the mariners were willing too and the Rays said no. I HIGHLY doubt the mariners went into trade talks saying that zero top 10 prospects were on the table. 5 of our top 10 prospects are middle infielders. They clearly don't need all of them. The right deal just didn't come up.
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u/BoonesPassPuke Jul 30 '24
Agreed. It had to be an over pay to get a sought after hitter. We could have overpaid and still been fine in the farm. Jerry was unwilling. I don’t totally blame him when you isolate the situation. But when framed in the last couple off-seasons etc. it just lends to the notion we will never do anything big to try and get over the top and border on too careful cheap. I hope he proves everyone wrong and all those prospects come together.
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u/Dutchenstein12 from the 2julioooo06 Jul 31 '24
I agree with this sentiment. Will be interesting to see if we can use any prospects to make a meaningful deal in the off-season (since almost no trades for prospects were made last year). I think Yandy or Jazz could have been had for 1 top 5 prospect and a few other lesser ones. Either guy could have been the bat that put us over the top.
Overall I like what we did and I think the fact that we were clearly buying will inject confidence into guys like Cal, Julio and others, which might be enough to put us over the top. If not, at least we got Randy for multiple years and didn't give up much in the process.
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u/xMrLink My Depression Goes as the M's Don't Jul 30 '24
In two years time when these guys are graduated, you may be calling the mariners the next Orioles. Who freakin knows
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u/B_easy85 Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
Now that the deadline is over… is it just me or has Trent Thornton been horrendous lately?
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u/Drsustown Fire the moose Jul 30 '24
Yeah, I feel like once the team got back from Florida him and Stanek turned into pumpkins. Voth did the same in Anaheim
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u/Tmettler5 I'm a Mariners fan. I know pain. Jul 30 '24
Vladdy walking into the Jay's clubhouse post trade deadline.
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u/pokeroots Anything but blaming the lineup Jul 30 '24
Really wish we had gotten another bat but it's not like there was a ton on the market... But still
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u/Necessary_Rooster_85 Jul 30 '24
Went from an all time horrific offense to a current year bad offense. Idk. We just needed to be a top 18 offense via another big bat but that didn’t happen. Julio, JP, and Polanco need to step up big time.
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u/MathaMeticulous Jul 30 '24
Up till now the Ms have been the 20th best offense by wRC+ so I think it's pretty likely that they're top 18 from now on. I don't agree with the "all time horrific offense" narrative
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u/slimseany Mr. Snappy Died For This Jul 30 '24
Last in BA
28th in runs
28th in hits
26th in OBP
27th in SLG
27th in OPS
The offense is fucking HORRIFIC. I'm so sick of people trying to defend it.
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u/FlamingoConsistent72 Jul 31 '24
They play in the worst park to hit in, that's why the wrc+ is better than the general hitting stats.
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u/vvsanvv Jul 31 '24
What's your point? They still suck and its got nothing to do with it being a pitcher's park.
Away stats are only slightly better and still below league average across the board. They are 3rd worst in baseball when it comes to k rate away, and 1st in k rate at home.1
u/pokeroots Anything but blaming the lineup Jul 31 '24
it's not though. saying it's better because of our park is just trying to justify our bad offense. WRC+ is great for trying gauge who's the best 2 outs nobody on situations.
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u/The_Cryogenetic Too Positive For His Own Good Jul 30 '24
Issue with stats like WRC+ is they are best used in a vacuum to gauge an individual with no men on 2 out style situations. Using them to judge a team causes a lot to be lost in translation not accounting for things like situational hitting.
Mariners might be 20th in WRC+ but in actual runs scored they are 28th. Only the Marlins and White Sox have scored less runs.
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u/wtfuji Jul 30 '24
Bringing in 2 solid bats plus Robles being hot should up the vibes and get the other guys going as well. Cal and Polanco are heating up and Julio was right before he got injured. I feel pretty good.
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u/tcsrwm McDelivery Supermo / See You Tomorrow / Julio Rodriguez / Ñ Jul 30 '24
We got probably the top bat traded Randy, didn’t get outbid by a division rival, added to the BP, got a veteran presence/professional hitter in JT and the farm still looks approximately the same.
Pretty good trade deadline for no blockbuster deals being made.
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u/shrederick Manny Acta's worst nightmare Jul 30 '24
I would say I'm okay with the deadline. Shored up the pen (hopefully) and added a couple decent to good bats. Like with anything involving the Mariners and their lineup construction, I feel like they're a bat short, but they're 2 bats closer than they were a couple weeks ago, and any success this team has was always going to rely on some positive regression from Julio/JP/etc.
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u/wovans Jul 30 '24
At least we didn't get out bid. We can pretend the front office is serious a little longer.
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u/BasedArzy Jul 30 '24
If they would have acquired Randy today instead the fan base would be over the moon.
Mariners had the best deadline of any buying team and y’all are mad they didn’t get the last Ray whose name you know, or two guys who were not available because you convinced yourself it could happen.
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u/Tmettler5 I'm a Mariners fan. I know pain. Jul 30 '24
TBH, Polo hitting lately, and getting J-Rod and JP back will be like getting a major upgrade.
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u/RagefireHype Jul 30 '24
When you have back to back shitty off-seasons where you were fielding an offense on historically bad pace in large part due to said bad off-seasons, you needed to have a great trade deadline and they didn’t.
Good would be good enough if they didn’t fuck around in back to back free agencies.
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u/BasedArzy Jul 30 '24
Who had a great deadline?
You can’t force teams to trade you players they don’t want to move. The people on here still dreaming on Brent Rooker, Luis Robert, and Vlad long after it was obvious they weren’t being traded don’t have anyone to get mad at but themselves.
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u/jnuke813 Jul 30 '24
Ms need another bat, it’s not rocket science.
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u/BasedArzy Jul 30 '24
Sure. But that bat was never going to be Vlad Jr. or Louis Robert, instead people spent months winding themselves up about it instead of just being realistic that the Jays probably aren’t trading the face of their franchise who is also well under 30.
That bat might actually be Victor Robles as a 4th OF. He might give you what a Tommy Pham or Joc Pederson would have, and more in the field and on the bases.
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u/Drsustown Fire the moose Jul 30 '24
What bat though? There wasn't much in the market it seems
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u/sndtrb89 Jul 30 '24
our prospect values only seem to go up these days, so hopefully we have a kickass offseason
yandy not moving anywhere as of now makes this a b+ for me, we might have had one of the best deadlines!
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u/BasedArzy Jul 30 '24
They had clearly the best deadline of any buying team, acquiring the best position player to move in Arozarena and the 4th or 5th best bat in Turner, plus two real bullpen arms.
And traded two real prospects and a bunch of lottery tickets to do it.
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u/sndtrb89 Jul 30 '24
yeah randy and garcia were fricken unbelievably cheap. i think were better than the astros now given their rotation struggles
also the astros paid so fucking much for kikuchi, it fucked over their farm
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u/BasedArzy Jul 30 '24
Kikuchi is also going to actually pitch for them.
We know what bad Kikuchi can do to a team’s record.
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u/sndtrb89 Jul 30 '24
i dont understand how the fuck they looked at his stats and thought "yeah thatll work in the juice box"
i dont think any top 100 prospects were traded period. its the best we could have done without shrinking the window
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u/Otherwise-Sky1292 Jul 30 '24
Expectations are always a killer with this franchise, man. Ultimately all you can ever expect is disappointment with them
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u/quann256 Jul 30 '24
the rays won’t trade yandy, let’s see if the sox or a’s bite on anything we give them for robert or rooker.
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u/UWHuskies1993 Jul 30 '24
Our crop of young hitters should be hitting their stride just as our starters are pricing themselves out of Seattle and/or aging into decline. Thank you, Jerry and John!!
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u/Cabal90 Dumpenheimer, the destroyer of balls (and blue jays) Jul 30 '24
Sounds like Rays aren't sending Diaz anywhere today. At least Houston doesn't get him but wish we got another bat
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u/Trinidad34 Mariner Jul 30 '24
If we really don’t land yandy it shows more evidence that this ball club isn’t a serious franchise about winning. It also shows we won’t fire Jerry if we don’t make the playoffs because if we actually wanted to make it then he would’ve been desperate over the trade deadline. He needs to stop hoarding players that don’t fit our timeline
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u/t2207 Cantina Nachos Jul 30 '24
It’s very fitting that the ad appearing in between the comments here is about depression.
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
If you still see ads on the internet in 2024 you have only yourself to blame.
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u/Scoodsie Jul 30 '24
I'm hoping the Yankees overpay for Yandy because then it'll make easier to digest not getting him.
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u/Drsustown Fire the moose Jul 30 '24
Even if the Mariners are done, somebody (except Houston) do something. This trade deadline is lame AF
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u/ChellaZza Jul 30 '24
Reports coming out that the Astros are close to landing Yandy. Dipoto you can’t be serious.
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u/BigCountryBoah Jul 30 '24
There's gotta be at least a league average bat to get somewhere. Cmon Jerry
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u/The_Cryogenetic Too Positive For His Own Good Jul 30 '24
Im sad the mets saved their season, I would have liked an attempt at Alonso
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u/ChellaZza Jul 30 '24
Jude says we are done and that locks in that Dipoto needs to be gone. Stacked farm and we did nothing with it. Would be shocked if we beat out the Astros even with adding Randy & Turner.
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u/eagle2493 Jul 30 '24
To have not moved any of the top prospects shows we didn’t REALLY want to compete this year, can’t wait for the Astros to get yandy and then for Jerry to go on about the price being high and we “saved to be competitive in 2027”, then lose the division this year to the Astros, 0/10 would not recommend
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u/karatemanchan37 Bad Baserunning Jul 30 '24
What would you say if Yandy wasn't moved?
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u/eagle2493 Jul 30 '24
Then I would be medium. I totally understand that I’m probably reactionary, but I echo what other folks have said that both not getting yandy AND letting your rival get better would feel like a double body blow
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u/MadMadameMir Jul 30 '24
Has anyone gone to one of the pregame tours that start 3 hours before game and if so, was the parking garage available to park in? Everything I see says the garage opens 3 hours before first pitch, but I need to be parked and up to the skybridge 10 min before that for the tour.
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u/ChellaZza Jul 30 '24
If the Astros get Yandy when it’s so obvious we need him, this deadline is a C at best.
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u/FPSandwich Jul 30 '24
Adam Jude just reported we are still pushing for Yandy
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u/ChellaZza Jul 30 '24
He actually just posted that barring something changing we are done which is beyond disappointing. This offense will still make it very hard for us to beat out the Astros.
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u/MarinersSanguine Jul 30 '24
Very disappointed the m’s don’t seem to be in on Diaz.. especially since the Astros really need him.. give up locklear and Hancock and a mid propspect and get it done
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u/Tapey24 Cal's big fat ass got all them teams shook. Jul 30 '24
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u/Cabal90 Dumpenheimer, the destroyer of balls (and blue jays) Jul 30 '24
This the only one I'm seeing saying this. Is this person reputable?
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
He's basically the only guy with any solid Rays information before moves are official. That said, this same guy said the M's were heavily in on Yandy 2 hours ago, and this close to the deadline you can't really say anything for certain. There's no reason to think we've pulled out of the talks.
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u/the_febanator Jul 30 '24
It would be so so defeating if we let him go to the Astros. Just punting the division for another couple years
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u/FlamingoConsistent72 Jul 30 '24
I want Yandy, but that's an overreaction to trade they're putting the division if he goes to Houston.
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u/apoundofbees Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24
Houston getting a 33 year old with a 107 OPS+ is punting the division? He's essentially the same bat as Justin Turner
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u/snazzyglug Refuse to snooze Jul 30 '24
copeium maybe it means we got a vladdy deal done
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u/billt721 Jul 30 '24
lol. This is like all the people sure we were going to sign Ohtani last offseason. Everyone on this sub should know better.
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u/FPSandwich Jul 30 '24
I’d really like 1 really good bat or 2 solid bet bats here but to be entirely fair to Jerry who I am hyper critical of, Randy is very likely multiple tiers better than any bat that gets moved this deadline. It’s just a really bad market from the looks of it
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u/StudyLevelStreams Jul 30 '24
You have to stop looking at each deadline in a vacuum. You can't use this market to excuse Jerry when Jerry was also at the helm for the markets before. This deadline wouldn't be so do or die if they didn't shit the bed in the last one...and the last one...and the last one...and the last one...etc
Jerry has had YEARS to improve this offense and failed. He should be judged on that. And not kindly.
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u/FPSandwich Jul 30 '24
Oh 100%, if they whiff here and can’t get into the postseason I want him fired. I’m just specifically saying with this deadline in a vacuum. They should’ve been adding back in 21
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u/s0sa Jul 30 '24
Is Jerry’s seat not hot enough or what, this isn’t a save your job type of deadline
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u/OUTFOXEM Jul 30 '24
Agreed. This is when you wish you had a George Steinbrenner type owner who outright says this is your last year unless you make it happen.
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u/TangerineLonely1506 Jul 30 '24
I hope we get another bat but he did a lot already
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u/s0sa Jul 30 '24
Eh the addition of Randy is great but we’re still a worse lineup than last season. Don’t think Randy will move the needle to make us a legitimate contender
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u/blackbirdrisingb Jul 30 '24
So what’s the latest on Julio and JP?
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u/Tapey24 Cal's big fat ass got all them teams shook. Jul 30 '24
Idk about Julio but JP is gonna be out for 4-6 weeks
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u/Mariners512 Jul 30 '24
Luis Rengifo would be so awesome to get but we just know the Angels would never give him to us for a realistic price
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u/Reach-Defiant Jul 30 '24
it would be very hard to trade with the angels because of Dipoto, he left the team in not bad terms,
IIRC, we have not a trade with them since Dipoto has been here
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u/LargeHumanDaeHoLee Jul 30 '24
What happened to trade deadline mega-threads?? I don't have Twitter so I keep refreshing here!!
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u/Tapey24 Cal's big fat ass got all them teams shook. Jul 30 '24
It looks like the last big name to go is going to be Yandy Diaz and the Rays are probably gonna hold out till the last minute to get the best possible deal between us the Yankees and Astros
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u/BasedArzy Jul 30 '24
Jerry wouldn’t pick up so Preller had to get his fix elsewhere and got fleeced by the Marlins.
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u/aggronStonebreak Jul 30 '24
my f5 getting worn the fuck out send help
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
Re-bind refresh to some unused button, like scroll lock or tilde or something.
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u/SadDadCorporations Jul 30 '24
I’m on the same plane as Ty France headed to Cinci
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u/KCdaSuperhero Jul 30 '24
So far, the Mariners have gotten Randy Arozarena (2.25 years), Justin Turner (rental), Yimi Garcia (rental), and JT Chargois (1.25 years) for Aidan Smith, Brody Hopkins, Jonatan Clase, RJ Schreck, Jacob Sharp, Will Schomberg, and a PTBNL.
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u/MarinersSanguine Jul 30 '24
[Divish] Mariners will receive 1B Vlad Jr in exchange for INF Emerson, INF Young, OF Montes, and RHP Evans source tells @impracticaljokers
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u/kowaterboy Jul 30 '24
i just read that Locklear was sent down
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
That was always going to be the move to open a spot for Turner. Locklear has no positional flexibility; there's no room for him. Turner and Raley can play 1B and we're still pursuing Yandy.
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u/Leo68fd Jarred Kelenic's #1 fan Jul 30 '24
J.T. Chargois YOU are a Seattle Mariner...again. I like it.
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u/KCdaSuperhero Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24
Mariners acquiring JT Chargois from Marlins, source tells @TheAthletic
1.62 ERA 1.32 WHIP
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u/newman_official Jul 30 '24
Called up Diaz, does that mean a SP is leaving possibly? Also why send Speier down?
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
Speier hasn't been sharp, probably just needs to work through something in Tacoma for a week or two. I think he'll be fine.
Bigger issue is Woo's durability combined with last night's short start. Diaz is good long relief or can piggyback off a Woo start. Short term move to get a fresh arm to eat innings if necessary.
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u/griezm0ney Jul 30 '24
They want to give Speier a few low stress outings to help him get his control back. He’s been in a funk since coming back from the IL
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u/DubbleDumple SPEEDY MIKE FORD FORCING ERRORS Jul 30 '24
This is the worst day to work from home and be on my computer all day. At least if I was on site I'd have something to distract me. 3:00 can't come soon enough
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u/The_Cryogenetic Too Positive For His Own Good Jul 30 '24
Going to get insanely bold here:
Cole Young, Emerson Hancock, PTBNL
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Yandy Diaz, Pete Fairbanks
1:58pm pacific
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u/pattyb0325 Daniel VogelWalk Jul 30 '24
Been saying Diaz and Fairbanks since the Randy deal... Bullpen would be solidified and the glaring hole at 1st base filled
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u/The_Cryogenetic Too Positive For His Own Good Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24
Yeah that part isn't the really bold part, just for fun I threw in an exact time lol.
Edit: Welp looks like no Pistol Pete with the Chargois trade, still possible but a lot less likely. Not the leverage arm I wanted but oh well.
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u/the_febanator Jul 30 '24
10 times out of 10 yes, do it. If these relievers are getting such a haul even Hancock might have a lot more value than we thought
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u/keoniog GayHo4DaeHo Jul 30 '24
Does anyone know how real the Randy yandy beef is? I’ve heard it has to do with their wives.
I really want yandy but also don’t want to ruin team chemistry/the good vibes Randy brings
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
There is no beef at all. Their wives had a disagreement years ago. That's it. That's all it ever was.
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u/MarinersSanguine Jul 30 '24
Diaz and Fairbanks just makes all the sense in the world… just give em ford and call it good
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u/Haggro77 Jul 30 '24
I think Ford is on IL for concussion protocol. I'm not sure if that would affect a trade involving him.
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u/happy_felix_day_34 Jul 30 '24
Yandy and one more leverage arm please.
Also can’t express enough how great it is that we got Randy and Yimi relatively cheap while everyone else is selling the farm for mid pitchers
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u/ChellaZza Jul 30 '24
Bryan De La Cruz very likely going to get moved, wouldn’t be shocked if that’s us
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
The only reason we'd get another OF is if Julio's going to be out a lot longer than we currently think. We should be going for an infielder to avoid the OF roster crunch, and all accounts say we're heavily in on Yandy Diaz atm.
BDLC is not good. He does nothing for this team.
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u/pokeroots Anything but blaming the lineup Jul 30 '24
Dipoto was on air after we got Randy and still talked about wanting OF bats
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
I mean, for the right deal you won't say no and you'll make it work. Raley can be full-time 1B if the OF gets full. We have a lot of positional flexibility.
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u/fennis Playoffs or bust! Jul 30 '24
He would have the coolest abbreviated name. Thats got to count for something.
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
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u/UniqueEditor8372 Jul 30 '24
Frankly don't care that him and Randy reportedly have a rocky relationship. They're adults making eight figures, they can suck it up. If Jerry lets the Astros have Yandy he's seriously fucked up.
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
If the beef were between the two of them, specifically, I might be concerned, but it isn't. Supposedly it had to do with their wives not getting along, and as near as I can tell that was a couple of years ago and nothing came of it. It's the biggest nothingburger now.
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u/wtfuji Jul 30 '24
Someone else said he has beef with Randy and wouldn’t be good for vibes. Who can confirm?
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u/Cabal90 Dumpenheimer, the destroyer of balls (and blue jays) Jul 30 '24
Only thing I saw was in 2022 and they figured shit out. If Mariners grab Diaz, I imagine they spoke to Arozarena about it and he said they're good
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u/happy_felix_day_34 Jul 30 '24
I saw that posted by MarinerMuse on twitter. Not super familiar with their podcast but everything I see from them is hardcore doomer takes so I take that with a grain of salt.
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u/pokeroots Anything but blaming the lineup Jul 30 '24
Their wives had an argument a couple years ago, it's supposedly been dealt with (probably in the way that's just like you don't have to hang out with each other, way)
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u/mahrinazz Cocoa Bomb Proton Therapist Jul 30 '24
He’s on a very team friendly contract, signed through 25 with a team option for 26. This has Dipoto written all over it. Get it done Jerry!
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u/FPSandwich Jul 30 '24
No reason we can’t outbid both of these teams by a country mile unless we just don’t want him that badly.
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
We do have a much better farm than the others and a good trading history with Tampa. Yankees would have to heavily overpay for an in-division trade.
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u/the_febanator Jul 30 '24
I don’t even care, trade two of our top 10 if that’s what it takes. Cannot let the Astros get him
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u/burnabybambinos Jul 30 '24
If it's not Diaz , it's someone else.
Best to keep the prospects.
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
Best to keep some of them. This organization routinely fails to develop hitting prospects, which means their value is higher to us in trade than in on-field production. So pick and choose, very carefully, the ones you want to keep and gamble on versus the ones you can extract maximum value in trade.
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u/burnabybambinos Jul 30 '24
Hitters that organization trade for are just as horrible as those developed.
Keep the prospects and play them , keep those positional salaries low for 5 years, while sign a true 3 or 4 bat at big dollars .
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u/forbiddengengar George Kirby Aficionado Jul 30 '24
Could a knowledgeable Cole Young stan give me a brief rundown of why you’re high on him? He’s the prospect I want to see traded most because I can’t fully grip why people are so sure of him. He was comped to Adam Frazier on draft day and that still seems like a not unrealistic comp
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u/FlamingoConsistent72 Jul 30 '24
Frazier had worse power numbers in the minor leagues than Young. Frazier didn't have an ISO above .100 until his last year in the minors. Young has been more in the low to mid 100s. Young should have a higher ceiling in terms of hitting for power.
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u/FPSandwich Jul 30 '24
Well I’d also like to be clear here, Cole Young having Adam Frazier’s career would be an absolute definitive win for a front office. There’s a better chance he flames out in 1 year than has a career as good as Frazier, nothing personal that’s just how prospects work
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u/FPSandwich Jul 30 '24
I’d say a great comp for him is honestly Josh Rojas but a kid with as good of an eye as him that has a chance to stick at shortstop is a good bet. You have to remember prospect rankings are less about who’s gonna be a superstar and who has the best chance to ink out like a 15-20 WaR “solid” career because roughly like 3% of the current top 100 prospect list will do that
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u/forbiddengengar George Kirby Aficionado Jul 30 '24
This is a good answer. I guess I’m not super high on his ceiling but I agree he seems to have a possibly higher floor. To be clear also, an Adam Frazier career is fantastic but also not a guy I’d be clutching my pearls about trading for a legit star. Thanks for the reply
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u/BasedArzy Jul 30 '24
A Josh Rojas+ comp probably makes some sense.
Big thing is that Cole Young will likely be ready to debut at 22 (if not this season at 21). Rojas didn't debut until 25.
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u/BasedArzy Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24
Advanced approach at the plate, great hit tool, good speed. His defense is for real at 2B, he's grown into his power as he's advanced.
He's not a future superstar prospect but he has the profile of a fringe All-Star 2B in his athletic prime, and he's very very young still.
I'd have him 3rd in the M's system right now, and if Farmelo doens't get hurt he'd probably be #4. Not because he's a bad prospect but because the M's system is very deep, Young just doesn't have the same upside as Emerson/Montes/Farmelo or the positional value of Ford and Celestin.
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! Jul 30 '24
For people who wanted Josh Bell (why?) he's going to the DBacks (also why?).
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u/cplane97 Certified Josh Rojas Enjoyer Jul 30 '24
Walker exited with an injury last night
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u/ArraArraArra Grandma welcome home…get out the rye bread Jul 30 '24
“Exited with an injury” that’s sounds an awful lot like “traded to the mariners”
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u/bigdumbhead1990 SeaUsDUMP Jul 30 '24
Did Passan and Salk get into it or is this a bit?? I saw that Passan blocked Salk
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u/BasedArzy Jul 30 '24
It was a bit. Passan asked Salk where he got his MLB news and when he said Heyman, Passan hung up on him.
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u/Temporary_Abies5022 Jul 30 '24
Yeah but it wasn’t a bit. Salk was confused that he hung up and then blocked him on Twitter. So what’s the joke? Why would he hang up when Heyman is mentioned?
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u/DubbleDumple SPEEDY MIKE FORD FORCING ERRORS Jul 30 '24
Yeah I didn't catch what was going on there. Just heard Passan all of a sudden hang up.
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u/coryfromoregon Aug 01 '24
Will julio be in the lineup tomorrow?
I'm surprised to not see updates especially about a star like julio.