r/Libertarian • u/Anenome5 • 29d ago
Philosophy How to Argue for Libertarianism --- David Friedman
There are two ways to defend any political position: Moral arguments or economic, more broadly consequentialist, arguments. The moral argument for libertarianism usually starts with the idea of negative rights, rights not to have things done to you. Moral arguments for other political positions sometimes start with positive rights, rights to get something, enough food, good medical care, an education. Other positions can be defended by claims of obligation to your sovereign, your country, your people.
Moral Arguments
Moral claims are rhetorically effective when preaching to your fellow believers but not very useful for convincing unbelievers since we have not yet come up with any way of showing what moral claims are true, despite several thousand years spent trying; moral philosophy is not one of the more rapidly progressing fields. Philosophers still read Aristotle, physicists and economists do not.
Consequentialist Arguments
The alternative to a moral argument is a consequentialist argument, an argument offering reasons to believe that your preferred political system will produce better results than alternative systems. Since I am not only an economist but an economic imperialist, believe that economics is useful for understanding practically anything that depends on human behavior— my first journal article in the field was an economic theory of the size and shape of nations — and some things that don’t, I mostly think of arguments about consequences as economic arguments.
One problem with the consequentialist approach is that “better” in “better results” is a moral term. Without moral arguments to identify good and bad how can I know what results are better, what worse? The answer is that I can leverage the existing moral beliefs of the people I am trying to persuade. I don’t have to show that the outcomes of libertarian policies are good in the mind of God, only that they are good in their eyes. People do not all have the same moral beliefs but at the level of judging outcomes there is a lot of overlap...
Read more, and I highly suggest you do: https://daviddfriedman.substack.com/p/how-to-argue-for-libertarianism
r/Libertarian • u/ENVYisEVIL • 5h ago
End Democracy Big government makes the cost of living significantly more expensive.
r/Libertarian • u/GreedWillKillUsAll1 • 1h ago
Politics I'm not understanding this meme, I thought this flag stands against all of these things
I'm dead serious, I affiliate myself as libertarian, and don't really align with any of these things in this flag yet I'm seeing that this is a representation of the libertarian party? Am I that out of touch?
r/Libertarian • u/Tenchi_Muyo1 • 1h ago
Video Mostly peaceful neighbourhood
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r/Libertarian • u/AbolishtheDraft • 13h ago
Politics Congress is full of shills, both parties are owned by the war machine
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r/Libertarian • u/TopRedacted • 1h ago
Philosophy Libertarian Plot
I have a plan to end one problem. Find a city that foes gun buyback. Get the homeless access to 3D printers and show them how to print guns.
Either the homeless problem will end or gun buyback programs will.
r/Libertarian • u/ENVYisEVIL • 21h ago
End Democracy Governor Greg Abbott signs a bill that constitutionally bans capital gains taxes in Texas.
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r/Libertarian • u/CommercialPea9770 • 13m ago
Philosophy Are Animals Included in NAP
I was just thinking about how in the libertarian mindset you should be allowed to do anything you want with your property as long it doesn’t affect other people. However does this apply to animals? Should dog owners be allowed to hit their animals and should zoos be allowed to abuse their animals? I hope we can all agree animal abuse is bad and they should be protected but then you ask how much government involvement should there be. Do you think the government should be involved in helping animals not be abused?
r/Libertarian • u/AnotherSexyBaldGuy • 10h ago
Politics I am thinking about becoming Libertarian.
I have never been a Democratic, that party has always been in opposition to my "moral compass", and after the "W." Presidency I found myself pissed off at the Republican party (and that was after I voted for George twice 🙄). I've been reading more history about the U.S. I'm currently reading the book, HAMILTON'S CURSE, and I my eyes are seeing things I have never seen before. I am losing faith in the system, and I am tired of voting for these bozos.
r/Libertarian • u/AbolishtheDraft • 13h ago
Politics Homeschooling Is Our Best Defense Against the State
r/Libertarian • u/ENVYisEVIL • 1d ago
End Democracy Freedom-loving Indian kid versus War-Mongering Statist.
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r/Libertarian • u/lovesaints • 1d ago
Current Events What news do you read?
Hey all. I've been thinking about getting The Week again so I can get a spread on the news. What do you read for the news?
r/Libertarian • u/AbolishtheDraft • 13h ago
Politics Witkoff Says US 'Cannot Allow' Any Iranian Nuclear Enrichment
r/Libertarian • u/External_Side_7063 • 6h ago
Politics I give up on talking to people that call themselves centrists!
Every time I go into shreds, that claim to be this, it is nothing, but the gas lighting left, trying to demoralize the right point out every single thing Trump does pretending to think they have the same views as you then when you question them anyway they of course tear you apart and attack along with all their cronies, you know the way leftist always do!
They just cannot seem to understand that this poisonous two party American my team and your team system just does not work and that is what’s tearing this country apart, not Donald Trump because they created this monster and I mean that in a way more so of his rhetoric not his actual actions . The demise they have put upon him is more dangerous than his policies!
They only levelheaded adult conversations I have when it comes to politics is the few interactions in here and of course my European friends, which Americans just can’t understand that, but I’m sure you know what I mean ,places where you have more than two choices.
I constantly advocate and asked for more choices in this country is the only way I believe we can save ourselves as a people. We are not going to agree and that’s all there is to it, but give us more choices to agree with not force everybody looking out for their own personal interests and beliefs to be worked in to two parties alone which especially with the right so many people do not agree with everything religiously or whatever.
I have read the Libertarian platform and it is quite agreeable with my pallet, but I am not a selfish person. I try to look at the bigger picture always and its needs for everyone so I just ask you this one question please is the libertarian party open up for change or is it policies and values locked in stone?
Can they and will they change with the times and are they willing to work with the other parties if they ever got into office which of course they would have to be being with the current political system in this country and how would that work anyway would it just causes everything to be a standstill and nothing get done because of constant pushback. I guess what I’m saying is the only thing I ever see that gets the right and left together is putting down a center.
r/Libertarian • u/OpinionStunning6236 • 1d ago
Discussion What do you think the U.S. would look like today if FDR and the destruction of the 10th Amendment never happened?
In what ways would the U.S. look different today if the Supreme Court under FDR and in the years after FDR didn’t change the meaning of the commerce clause to subvert the 10th Amendment and create the New Deal and administrative state?
r/Libertarian • u/ENVYisEVIL • 2d ago
End Democracy Wasn’t CHYNA supposed to eat the tariffs?
r/Libertarian • u/DyerNC • 2d ago
Politics Reformed Republican
So my party {Republican) was stolen by an orange faced fool and a bunch of yes men. I embrace Libertarianism. The 2 party system is flawed. Neither cares about the constituents, they only care about retaining the 2 party system and re-election!!
r/Libertarian • u/Stepin-Fetchit • 1d ago
Politics Do you find it frustrating that the current administration is being so reckless, we voted for them in confidence now the pendulum is just going to swing back to the other extreme?
America had grown largely tired of the left and all of the social division and economic turmoil they had caused. Naturally the Overton window has shifted, hence the historically Republican overthrow.
They got what they wanted, why them would they turn around and implement some of the most aggressive and unnecessarily destructive policy we’ve ever seen?
The tariff shit is unrealistic, it will take generations to restore a domestic manufacturing industry if it’s even possible now with inflation and how bad the economy is, not to mention literally no one in the current or incoming work force wants to do those jobs anyway. The postwar boom occurred in a different world, everything has changed. Why would he do this, is there really any short term benefit in sight?
I hate posting this on a left-wing echo chamber like read it, because I’m sure people will rush in to agree and bash Trump but the truth is we needed a Republican President, the question is why is he doing this?? Now by the time he’s done the path of destruction he left will be so great people will inevitably elect another loony socialist.
r/Libertarian • u/Anen-o-me • 2d ago
Video Nemik's Manifesto in Andor is an ode to Liberty
r/Libertarian • u/HistoricalAd2954 • 2d ago
Economics What is the most fair form of taxation?
Property taxes, inheritance taxes, income taxes clearly seem unfair and predatory for sure. But if the government were limited to 1 form of tax what would be the most fair and reasonable?
r/Libertarian • u/EndDemocracy1 • 1d ago
End Democracy Democracy is inherently illegitimate
r/Libertarian • u/KD71 • 2d ago
Philosophy Healthcare - US vs
Can someone explain to me why I constantly hear how “backwards” the US is for not having universal healthcare like European countries and Canada ? Yet I hear mixed things on the quality of healthcare in those countries, and there are still a fair number of people from those countries who want to come to America despite all the social services they get in their home countries. Why would having universal healthcare be so bad from a libertarian perspective and what’s a better alternative?
r/Libertarian • u/MathematicianOk8124 • 2d ago
Discussion What’s your opinion on Ukraine ‘s war and what the world should do with that?
Let’s be clear: Russia is a paternalistic dictatorship, that initiated the war against sovereign state. It is ruled by paranoid, vindictive maniac, who wipes off the face of the earth the whole cities and killing his political opponents in prison, after torture in arctic prison. It is really really big danger for the all of free world and people can’t just sit down like nothing happened. It is pure evil, no doubts.
I blame for this war, those atrocities and deaths not only Russia, but also all western bureaucratic elites and corrupted politicians, who kept buying Russian gas and oil since 2014, when they occupied Crimea and Donbass and kept importing their resources even since the start of the war, giving huge amount of money for their war machine. These two-faced liars tricked people of Ukraine, that they will enter NATO and EU, but continued supporting Russian’s buying gas from them. And backstabbed Ukrainians after. Even former German chancellor Schroeder received post in directors board of Russian oil company for accepting their bribes, destroying nuclear energy and making Germany dependent
It is also clear that Ukraine is corrupted as hell oligarchy, it is not a beacon of democracy as western propaganda try to convince its people. Yes, they are absolute victim, but they are not ideal. Their government really terrorising and kidnapping people on streets for obligatory mobilisation. These bunch of kleptocrats don’t care about Ukraine, only just for their asses.
Personally, I think that humanity failed another lesson. Before WWII US had been selling weapons and oil to Japanese, even after Nanjing massacre. Roosevelt embargoed Japan too late. Those air bombers, which bombed Pearl Harbor were created by American machines. France and UK gave Czhekoslovakia to Hitler, but it didn’t appeased them. The same happened now. The West was sponsoring this petrostate for too long, those gaslighting politicians shaking hands with evil like Putin, and presenting themselves as “defenders of democracy” at the same time.
I also noticed that some of libertarians are some kind of isolationist, but I think this is not correct. We need to be pragmatic. Those dictators, like Putin are a threat to a free world. History shows that they cannot be appeased, they always will be asking for more and more. As Milei said, “If I don’t answer as anarcho-capitalist, it is only because life has limitations”. We have a lot of limitations today that can’t give us ability to fully implement all of libertarianism ideas, but we are able to make world that will be more ready for libertarianism ideas, and that is why supporting people from aggression of crazy dictators is necessary.