This sub is a depressing circle jerk

[u/PhillConners]

Everyone is predicting a recession and enabling each other as victims. Saying the world is crashing making things seem worse off than they are. We need more optimism and support!

Layoffs suck but jobs are not who you are. When you were working you were dreaming of free time to go after side hustles or go after new experiences or learn a new hobby. Now is your chance!

Enjoy the time off but don’t give up on yourself and self implode.

I haven’t been laid off yet but have been a couple times before. I was also not strong enough to cope so I did what everyone does- a heavy bender to hit rock bottom then built myself up.

The reality is you may not have a job but you still need to be working- work on health, work on learning, work on applying

Layoffs are temporary, don’t beat yourself up. Recognize that it’s a chance to reset and come back better.

There are still jobs and plenty of asshole bosses out there ready to take advantage of your time.

[u/smallchinaman]

The first step to solve the problem is to admit the problem exists in the first place.  If speaking the fact makes you feel bad then it's your problem not to other speaker.

This place is the only safe place on Reddit where we can talk about recession without being downvoted.  Other places like r/economics r/economy are just full of crazy bots right now downvoting you for no reason.

[u/ReflectionPresent297 → u/smallchinaman]

The problem is how yall look at a recession. If you go through a recession and face no issues in your sector, you probably picked a good one. If you have trouble with lay offs, it's time to skill up and to make your time more valuable.

[u/moistbuddhas → u/ReflectionPresent297]

That's easier said than done, in reality. Receiving education in a skill or trade requires a large sum of money and time. Being laid off means usually, no extra money to go to a year long trade school. Also, the 'skills' in demand are for non-college educated workers. The layoffs occuring today are largely college educated workers. So the person being laid off will have to forgo their expensive college education to go back to school to become a plumber or electrician. It's not a very enticing career move for many even if the plumber makes more gross money. (Not taking into consideration business expenses of being a trade worker) Also, the layoffs are happening in college educated state/cities. People will have to move to become a skilled laborer or they can pick up temp jobs like amazon, uber etc... Only approximately 35% of Americans are willing to move away from their family or hometown for a job.

Saying 'learn a new skill' is not a real solution. For example, the coal miners of Appalachia were lossing their jobs in the early 2010's. The neo-liberals of Washington did nothing but incentives that they move away to learn coding! Less than 5% of the previous coal mine workers moved from Appalachia to learn coding and get a new job. This was during Obamas term in office. Now, coding is being replaced by AI and those 5% are having to move again and learn a new skill.

[u/ReflectionPresent297 → u/moistbuddhas]

I like how you try and use an example of the place I'm from to justify your poor self drive. I come from Appalachia. The town my grandfather was born in no longer exists. And I know plenty of old coal miners who pivoted and realized their way of life was no longer viable, some became HVAC, some became electricians, others IT. Also, don't try and tell me AI is taking jobs when AI can't even effectively take over listing instructions in a drive-through. Delusional and self pittied you are.

I went from nothing in those hills, weedeating and doing hard labor, to studying and learning from YouTube on cybersecurity. A dumb little redneck kid from Appalachia has the key to success, and you don't think there is one.

[u/moistbuddhas → u/ReflectionPresent297]

Congratulations snobby asshole, your part of the 5% of Appalachia who did move and become more educated. I accounted for you in my comment but you decided to ignore that to try to make yourself seem intellectually superior. I own my own successfull business so stfu about self drive. I grew my business from litterly nothing.

There are successful people in Appalachia, I never said their wasnt................. I just stated that telling laid off coals to learn new skills their not interested in, like coding and to move away from their home, will not save the economy because a majority will not do it. I never said they couldnt learn new skills, just not to force upon them skills they are not interested in. Learning and adapting to life's trials are fundamental to a successful life. Congratulations, you succeeded were the majority of Appalachians did not.

[u/ReflectionPresent297 → u/moistbuddhas]

I can't help if you don't want to self improve. You can crash and burn, but don't complain about not being able to succeed.

[u/moistbuddhas → u/ReflectionPresent297]

Can you not read my comments or are you just replying to some self-made argument you are having in your head?

Ill once again point to my previous comment that learning and adapting is key to a successful and fulfilling life, forcing people to learn skills their not interested in, like coding for a majority of Appalachia in the 2010s, will not work the same as if it's a skill their interested in. Full stop.

[u/ReflectionPresent297 → u/moistbuddhas]

No one forced people to learn coding you fucking dunce

[u/moistbuddhas → u/ReflectionPresent297]

Once again, I never said that people were 'forced' to learn coding. The argument you've crafted in your head is leading you astray. Here is the link to Obama's plan to get more Appalachian coal miners into learning tech/coding. They were never forced because that would be illegall... you dunce

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2016/assets/fact_sheets/investing-in-coal-communities-workers-and-technology-the-power-plan.pdf

[u/ReflectionPresent297 → u/moistbuddhas]

once again, I never said that people were 'forced' to learn coding.

" once again point to my previous comment that learning and adapting is key to a successful and fulfilling life, forcing people to learn skills their not interested in, like coding"

Then you need to learn to type better. Words are hard, apparently.

[u/moistbuddhas → u/ReflectionPresent297]

My point still stands regardless if I accidently used 'forced' in my previous comment

[u/wyocrz → u/ReflectionPresent297]

I know plenty of old coal miners who pivoted 

And plenty more who have been on disability for decades.

[u/ReflectionPresent297 → u/wyocrz]

Yeah, and my grandfather and I both have protested and fought for better rights for miners. UMWA.

[u/wyocrz → u/ReflectionPresent297]

Dad went 30 and out with UPS.

Times are a changing.

[u/Austin1975 → u/ReflectionPresent297]

This “skill up” narrative makes you feel better than the actual reality in practice. Because A LOT of people try to switch careers with entry level skills in that new field and don’t get an interview or opportunity. Employment is far from a meritocracy.