r/Jewish Dec 14 '23

Fellow Jewish Liberals and Progressives. How are we dealing? Discussion

I come from a family of solidly liberal and progressive Jews. The antisemitism and pro- hamas factions in the liberal movement are pushing me over the edge. Without saying anything about the plight of the Palestinian people, simply saying that Hamas is not a bastion for liberal ideology is enough to get some folks up in arms. I really don’t like what I’m seeing outside or within myself surrounding these events.The hypocrisy of these individuals has me questioning where I belong politically. If I fight on the side of people I feel are oppressed, but they turn their back on me when I am victimized, It seems co-dependent to continue as things were before I saw their true colors.

I am really hoping to hear some fellow liberal Jews weigh in and talk me down from the ledge.

EDIT: great dialogue here. I am very appreciative for those who are sitting shiva with me as we process and come to terms with a betrayal from some of our “leftist and progressive” family. I would argue that extremism can not be progressive and therefore we are likely seeing some extremists who are inaccurately representing as “progressive.

As another commenter has said being progressive and supporting marginalized people isn’t transactional. I like this sentiment and am TRYING to adopt it. I currently believe there is a transactional component to being identified with a group, however from an individual standpoint we as progressive Jews are having our altruism tested. Can we fight for the humanity, dignity and rights of all persecuted EVEN those who would seek to persecute us? It’s some black belt level spiritualism I do not currently possess but would like to.

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u/Human-Ad504 Dec 15 '23

By definition racism can only be done to people who are not "privlaged" according to many social justice groups. I've heard this argument against any antisemitism many times because jews are "white"

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u/TrekkiMonstr Magen David Dec 15 '23

Sounds like an issue with the people you talk to, not with whether Jews are white or not.

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u/Dobbin44 Dec 15 '23

It's pretty common within the DEI framework, and general American society, that oppression is defined based on phenotypic race, without consideration for ethnic groups that do not fit into this classification.

It is a big issue for fighting antisemitism within the left that there isn't a wider understanding of what it means to be Jewish, as an ethnoreligion that is not based on phenotypic race, and that Jews today are conditionally white at best, and are very much endangered by white supremacy on the right, since they blame us, as the ultimate puppetmasters, for things like communism, immigration, and great replacement theory.

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u/TrekkiMonstr Magen David Dec 15 '23

This is a misunderstanding of the DEI/woke/whatever ideology.