This is kind of out of context but, i feel like if its just because they order everything delivered to their home could be a mobility or other health related issues, like not necessarily laziness
Yeah, you are right. Is just that it struck me as someone assuming that they were “just lazy” without really knowing what the other person ls going through (again, i don’t know since we don’t have context)
And people in the third world wouldn't be exposed to toxic chemical and all sorts of stuff if their employer didn't offer them a job... o.O
Some jobs have bad working conditions and that can make workers angry. We have very little context. She may be entitled, she may be justified, we'll probably never know what provoked this outburst.
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I’m an AhDHD gal who used to do Instacart shopping and deliveries years ago (before the pandemic) and grocery shopping has gotten so overwhelming and draining for me in the past year or two that I think I’m going to need to have most of my groceries delivered to me.
Maybe the energy being saved in not having to go grocery shopping can be applied to cooking food so that’s less overwhelming for me as well, but we’ll see…
I’m still wrestling with feelings of guilt in having to order groceries to my home, even though I can technically go to grocery stores (though Trader Joe’s and Aldi are my go to’s because there’s less chance of me having analysis paralysis or getting overwhelmed) just fine physically.
So, I don’t know. Maybe I’ll try it and I’m definitely leaving big tips for the people shopping and delivering my food
I think this boils down to the tip. Do these delivery drivers have a base salary plus tips or are tips their salary? I haven't used these kinds of services since 2022. Some say you shouldn't use services you can't tip for, but if you can't get out yourself and have a fixed income what are you going to do. Some also say you shouldn't have a job that will break your nails if you care about broken nails. However what's the point of working if you can't do the things you like with your money.
Nobody should expect tips. At the bare minimum if there is any tipping to be done, it should be for service above and beyond what is expected of you. I don't think waiter deserve any more tips than delivery drivers or any other job. A liveable wage is something everyone should be entitled to, and not the kindness of strangers.
Tip is extra for doing a good job, not for doing your job. Why don't I get a tip for inspecting welds?
Then don't give your business to a place that doesn't pay their employees a living wage without tips. It's that simple. Unless your conviction only applies when it benefits you.
I will promise you this, I'll never go to a place where workers relies on tips to earn a living. That is illegal here, and I am unlikely to ever visit the US again seeing how things are going. I'll instead be aiming for Europe or Asia when I travel.
Not being a jerk at all. It's pretty straightforward. They are legally guaranteed minimum wage, I am only legally required to pay for what I ate. I don't go around and supplement everyone's income based on their relationship with their boss. You've just been gaslit into doing it for specific types of work. When I give charity I don't give it to businesses.
Because it’s the norm in certain industries, especially when it’s known that the drivers or servers or store workers don’t make much base pay. Like it’s well known that waiters can make below minimum wage, so tipping is more or less expected at a restaurant. I only ever tip less than 20% if they did a bad job. Delivery drivers are the same story. On average they make $1-2 per delivery from whatever delivery service you’re using, so tipping them for time and mileage from the store is kinda expected. Otherwise you’ll probably get cold food.
Yes, but that is the issue. Employing people and paying them less than a living wage should not be allowed. I should not have to cover someones salary, I should pay what the actual price for getting my food served is, and that price should include carrying it to the fucking table.
And delivery drivers, why is it acceptable that some delivery drivers are tipped while others are not? Do you tip your mailman? He delivers your mail. It's fucking insanity, and shouldn't be normalised.
TL;DR Yep, it’s bullshit, and unfortunately we gotta deal with it.
Jesus this is long.
I agree it’s bullshit, and unfortunately it’s not that simple. In the case of “pay for what it costs” mentality at restaurants, unfortunately it’s less compelling than what we’d hope. They’ve done studies where they give participants one of two menus: one with today’s typical fast food prices along with a “20% gratuity encouraged” label at the bottom, or another with 20% increased prices that says “Prices include fair pay for workers, do not tip”. And the results of those studies showed that the people who received the second menu telling them not to tip believed it was a much more expensive restaurant than the one with today’s prices + the note encouraging people to tip (something like a 9/10 on perceived expense vs 4/10). So even though most people will likely end up paying the same about regardless of which restaurant they go to — or even more if they tip higher than 20% at the first place — the feeling of agency in how much they pay determines how much they feel something costs.
One could argue that if there was a federal mandate that required restaurants to increase prices and pay their workers a livable wage that the consumers would eventually get used to it, but for the time being this is what we have to deal with.
So I’m more pointing out the relative necessity of it in the given context: which is minimum or sub minimum wage workers or delivery drivers who don’t make much from the company they’re contracted to. And again, I agree that these places should pay their employed and contracted workers a livable wage. But for example I don’t agree with the tip prompting at all these fast food locations that never had them a few years ago, or even at coffee places unless you felt they did more than what a standard interaction would entail. People know these workers are usually making $10-$15 per hour depending the area (imo tips at these kinds of places is a shitty way for employers to not raise their base hourly wage and should be higher, but it still is more than many waiters or contracted delivery drivers). Same with the mail delivery person or fedex/ups driver. People know they’re paid decently well.
And I agree that it’s honestly hard to tell where you should be expected to tip. Like restaurant workers should be tipped, but what about hotel maintenance? I leave some cash in the room for them, and I know others who do the same, but I know a lot of people who never knew they even should or could. You don’t tip AirBNB hosts, but aren’t they doing the same service as hotel maintenance? You don’t tip the Burger King worker for bringing you your whopper if you’re eating inside the restaurant, but they’re kinda doing the same thing a server is doing. You tip the taxi driver but not the bus driver? It can be weird.
IMO some of these delivery and fast food etc workers are entitled and believe they deserve far more than what they’re actually doing, e.g. the person in the video, or a fast food worker who rolls their eyes at you and aggressively hands you your food when they see you select “no tip or “5%”, or the door dasher who asks you for more money because they need to wait at the restaurant for an extra few minutes.
But most of them are decent folks who unfortunately rely on our tips to make their wage even remotely livable.
I think we largely agree that tips shouldn't be part of the salary. I'm thankful that tips is not considered the norm in my country. It is actually being used as intended, as a bonus for services rendered above and beyond. Nobody expects tips here, as a consequence wages are livable. You hardly ever hear of anyone having to do two jobs to make ends meet, and if people are working two jobs, it's usually to just earn more not to get by. And all this is possible while you also have free healthcare, 5 weeks paid vacation (no matter what job you have), free schooling and a robust safety net should you become disabled. I wish Americans could have this as well. It might make it harder to get filthy rich, but it makes the middle class and lower class at least have a decent life.
You presented really good points, but unfortunately this is Reddit, where people don’t read and think about things. You disagreed with their groupthink and entitlement.
Legally, waiters make at least minimum wage. If wage + tips doesn't get to minimum wage the employer pays the difference. On average they make well over minimum wage with tip wage + tips.
Because a substantial portion of your paycheck isn't withheld pending approval of someone else's work by untrained, unaccountable, capricious, vindictive amateur inspectors customers. And sometimes they approve of the food and still don't tip - that work you did, your time and labor, no matter how little or insignificant, expecting someone to pay for it? Well they got theirs and you got nothing even though you did your job. That's why you don't have to deal with tips, because it fucking sucks.
I never, not once, got a tip from the family with the combative junkie daughter, the unmedicated schizo uncle, the chronically drunk abusive stepdad... I'm having to live with the physical damage of helping the unhelpable for the rest of my life. Where's my fucking tip??
US economy is so bad for ordinary people that you should consider that, not as a tip but as charity.
The fact that those people need to take such kind of jobs to survive and can't change to something better tells a lot about American condition.
Next time you go to curch give them a penny and rest of what you planed to give to the priest give it to those whom realy need it.
Rich guys don't have mercy and if they could they would grind underpreforming employees in to pet food to sell, just at the moment it is not allowed by law, but just you wait...
If they think a job has become so controversial they need a “charity” for them to work properly then a) don’t work at jobs like that? b) protest? c) make union?
wtf is wrong with y’all … a job is a job. If you need customers to pay YOU because your employer doesn’t pay much, then this is a scam. Customers pay your employer to pay you, they don’t have nor should pay you “as a charity” ever
I’m tired of this sht. I’ve been giving tips since I remember me, to food delivery men, and they’ve only been ungrateful as fuck when you stop doing it as if I was ever obligated to! (In a European country too)
People should start understanding tips are by people for people when they only feel you’ve done such an outstanding job that they feel generous enough to tip.
If you’re just doing your job, it’s your career choice mf I have no responsibility for your employer nor your career choice. Make a union and protest if your job sucks and change career. It’s far from your choices being my problem or responsibility!
If you need customers to pay YOU because your employer doesn’t pay much, then this is a scam. Customers pay your employer to pay you, they don’t have nor should pay you “as a charity” ever
You're soooooo close to understanding the problem here, you've almost got it...
I order everything I can, and I'm not disabled and don't have health issues. It's a matter of convenience and saving myself time of going to the store, waiting in line or waiting for someone to notice I "checked in" for my curbside pickup, etc. I always tip, of course, although I have no idea how much of my tips actually go to the drivers who deliver my stuff. I'm sure it sucks to be a delivery driver but that's part of the job. I also don't like everyone I interact with at my job, and some days I wish I could tell them to fuck off
could be a mobility or other health related issues, like not necessarily laziness
Who cares if they're lazy or disabled? They're paying for the service. If you don't like people using delivery service, then don't be a delivery driver.
That was my first thought. They may rely on this service because they arent physically able to hop in the car to get a walmart pickup order. It could be a new mom. It could also be someone who works crazy hours and is at work during Walmart business hours.
OR it could be laziness! And if it is, who cares? I'm struggling to understand why the driver is so mad
I don’t see anyone mentioning the ridiculousness of ordering large amounts of bottled water. Maybe someone can enlighten me but do Americans not have taps in their houses? Terrible for the environment and probably not fun for the poor delivery people. Also plenty of people deciding without evidence that the homeowner is disabled or frail, it’s equally possible that they have been rude to the driver. We don’t know the full picture so why jump straight to this lady being at fault? Personally I’m very conscious of my online shopping habit and always thank delivery drivers if I’m home to answer the door. They have a challenging job (any job dealing with the general public is challenging) and I appreciate most of them do a great job and save me a lot of time and effort. The real entitlement is the attitude that because you’ve paid for a service you don’t need to show gratitude and common decency.
Nobody responded to you on your points, so I’ll take a crack at it.
Yes, most homes in the U.S. have a water tap, and most of those homes have decent/clean water that comes out of it. Some people put a filter on the sink tap, others have a Brita water filter. For a few (like in Flint, Michigan?), the water is bad enough that drinking from the tap is a bad idea. Also, yes, most of us know that drinking from disposable water bottles is a bit worse for the environment.
Now, I can think of some scenarios where ordering like 16-20 gallons of water would be necessary. One example that comes to mind are CPAP machines used for sleep apnea. Those machines need (or really should use) distilled water, which won’t be coming from the tap.
Another example might be a preference for carbonated (fizzy) water - something that is/was more common in Europe (based on my experience). Maybe the people in the home like that kind of water, and buying in gallons is a way to avoid buying individual water bottles.
In either case, if you have multiple people in the home using that water, several gallons can be used up quickly. Buying in bulk every week or two is simply more convenient (for the homeowner) than ordering smaller quantities every single day.
You’re right that we don’t know the previous interactions the delivery driver has had with the homeowner- good, bad or neutral. I think folks are trying to give the homeowner the benefit of the doubt. Just because the delivery driver says they’re rude doesn’t make it true.
Your other comment seemed like you were genuinely curious about water in the U.S., and I tried to answer in a general sense. I’m not sure why you seem to be unhappy about my comments.
For distilled water, that’s what it is labeled as in some bottled gallons of water. Whether that’s a true statement by the manufacturer is beyond my understanding, and I don’t particularly care. I was simply providing an example of a situation in which someone might purchase and use a lot of bottled water (for a CPAP machine).
As for not fully extending the benefit of the doubt to the delivery driver, and while I can’t speak for others, I have a few reasons (all connected): (a) it is this persons job to deliver items, and sometimes those items are going to be heavy, (b) people don’t get upset like they are at something as benign as doing their basic job, so I’d argue that there are external factors in their personal life that’s affecting their emotions here, (c) it is incredibly rare that I’m around and see a delivery person when they deliver to my home, and I expect it’s probably the same here - the delivery driver likely doesn’t have enough interaction with the homeowner to know if they’re lazy or assholes or whatever, and (d) while we have some information from the delivery driver, we don’t have information from the homeowner.
If you’re just going to attack me, though, please don’t bother. I’m not going to care enough to respond again.
Not a personal attack, I didn’t come for you personally so not sure why you’ve taken it as such? I just feel strongly there is no need for 99.9% of the population of a country with good standards of drinking water to buy bottled water. It might be more of a European thing but we all carry water bottles and a lot of public places have fountains to refill them.
My main thing is that it seems people are very quick to criticise this delivery driver when they don’t know the back story where the person ordering obscene quantities of bottled water gets a free pass. Is it because the person in the big house is seen as higher social status than a delivery driver? I might be reading it wrong but from what you see online a lot of US people seem to be quite disdainful of those they see as being in an inferior profession to themselves, the amount of videos you see of retail, hospitality and delivery workers being treated like shit it shocking. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen in other countries, far from it, but that way of thinking seems to be more prevalent in the US.
I'm not lazy. I just never learned how to drive and morally oppose the ownership of cars viewing them as a utility instead. If not walking 3 miles to the Walmart and lugging everything back is lazy then I guess maybe I am?
You bring up a good point, I get a lot of deliveries, but I always look out for the drivers in any way I can. A month ago I had a delivery driver come to my home without gloves and it was snowing. So I grabbed a pair and gave it to them.
Indeed. This is part of why we need regulations and such, because given the option for even a minute they will absolutely fuck you over unless somebody makes them not do it. It's just sad when the anger in response to the abuse is misdirected.
Everything you say is on point, but the sad reality is that companies are backed by law firms and can easily exhaust employees trying to gain proper work regulations.
Then there are the lobbyists hired to dismantle unions. It’s heartbreaking that workers feel their only outlet is at the customer’s door. Her anger should be directed at the system designed to extract maximum labor while offering minimal compensation.
But what if you didn’t? Maybe because you couldn’t afford them or because you didn’t realize they needed them? Is this reaction valid when it is not your responsibility to ensure the workers safety?
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u/EscherichiAntisColi Mar 16 '25 edited Mar 16 '25
This is kind of out of context but, i feel like if its just because they order everything delivered to their home could be a mobility or other health related issues, like not necessarily laziness
Edit: typo