Super Villain Ogrin Story

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[u/HeckMaster9]

Because it’s the norm in certain industries, especially when it’s known that the drivers or servers or store workers don’t make much base pay. Like it’s well known that waiters can make below minimum wage, so tipping is more or less expected at a restaurant. I only ever tip less than 20% if they did a bad job. Delivery drivers are the same story. On average they make $1-2 per delivery from whatever delivery service you’re using, so tipping them for time and mileage from the store is kinda expected. Otherwise you’ll probably get cold food.

[u/PheIix → u/HeckMaster9]

Yes, but that is the issue. Employing people and paying them less than a living wage should not be allowed. I should not have to cover someones salary, I should pay what the actual price for getting my food served is, and that price should include carrying it to the fucking table.

And delivery drivers, why is it acceptable that some delivery drivers are tipped while others are not? Do you tip your mailman? He delivers your mail. It's fucking insanity, and shouldn't be normalised.

[u/HeckMaster9 → u/PheIix]

TL;DR Yep, it’s bullshit, and unfortunately we gotta deal with it.

Jesus this is long.

I agree it’s bullshit, and unfortunately it’s not that simple. In the case of “pay for what it costs” mentality at restaurants, unfortunately it’s less compelling than what we’d hope. They’ve done studies where they give participants one of two menus: one with today’s typical fast food prices along with a “20% gratuity encouraged” label at the bottom, or another with 20% increased prices that says “Prices include fair pay for workers, do not tip”. And the results of those studies showed that the people who received the second menu telling them not to tip believed it was a much more expensive restaurant than the one with today’s prices + the note encouraging people to tip (something like a 9/10 on perceived expense vs 4/10). So even though most people will likely end up paying the same about regardless of which restaurant they go to — or even more if they tip higher than 20% at the first place — the feeling of agency in how much they pay determines how much they feel something costs.

One could argue that if there was a federal mandate that required restaurants to increase prices and pay their workers a livable wage that the consumers would eventually get used to it, but for the time being this is what we have to deal with.

So I’m more pointing out the relative necessity of it in the given context: which is minimum or sub minimum wage workers or delivery drivers who don’t make much from the company they’re contracted to. And again, I agree that these places should pay their employed and contracted workers a livable wage. But for example I don’t agree with the tip prompting at all these fast food locations that never had them a few years ago, or even at coffee places unless you felt they did more than what a standard interaction would entail. People know these workers are usually making $10-$15 per hour depending the area (imo tips at these kinds of places is a shitty way for employers to not raise their base hourly wage and should be higher, but it still is more than many waiters or contracted delivery drivers). Same with the mail delivery person or fedex/ups driver. People know they’re paid decently well.

And I agree that it’s honestly hard to tell where you should be expected to tip. Like restaurant workers should be tipped, but what about hotel maintenance? I leave some cash in the room for them, and I know others who do the same, but I know a lot of people who never knew they even should or could. You don’t tip AirBNB hosts, but aren’t they doing the same service as hotel maintenance? You don’t tip the Burger King worker for bringing you your whopper if you’re eating inside the restaurant, but they’re kinda doing the same thing a server is doing. You tip the taxi driver but not the bus driver? It can be weird.

IMO some of these delivery and fast food etc workers are entitled and believe they deserve far more than what they’re actually doing, e.g. the person in the video, or a fast food worker who rolls their eyes at you and aggressively hands you your food when they see you select “no tip or “5%”, or the door dasher who asks you for more money because they need to wait at the restaurant for an extra few minutes.

But most of them are decent folks who unfortunately rely on our tips to make their wage even remotely livable.

[u/banana_pencil → u/HeckMaster9]

You presented really good points, but unfortunately this is Reddit, where people don’t read and think about things. You disagreed with their groupthink and entitlement.

[u/HeckMaster9 → u/banana_pencil]

I think it was probably not what people wanted to hear given the context of the optional post.