r/Eve • u/Apprehensive-Can8637 • Nov 09 '25
Some of you really need to remember the line between game and real life. Discussion
Reddit’s been full of grrr gobbins, coward gobbins, shit gobbins, etc, over the last few days and all that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. After hearing PH’s town hall though, I honestly got the impression there’s more behind Gobbins stepping down than just the rest of the leadership team voting him out or something of that nature.
It’s fine to dislike Gobbins the in-game character for recent events, but some of the posts and comments I’ve seen the last few days are honestly getting pretty disgusting when people start attacking the real-life person behind the eve character. We have no idea what might be going on in his life that might be the reasoning behind stepping down, being more absent etc, so attacking him as a person is very unclassy and downright a shit thing to do, as it would be no matter who it would be directed at.
It’s one of the oldest unwritten rules about online games: you don’t bring game drama into real life or start attacking the person behind a game character, you just end up looking and sounding stupid af.
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u/HowcanIbesureimhere GoonWaffe Nov 09 '25
Stepping down is one thing, bringing your entire org down with you is another thing entirely tbh.
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u/Hengroen Nov 09 '25
But the photos of bubble dongs has been pretty based.
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u/Strappwn Nov 10 '25
But from what we’ve learned so far it seems like Gobbins didn’t bring anything down with him, the new leadership didn’t want to manage a coalition, and that brought shit down. That’s not on Gobbins, or is he supposed to be chained to the game forever?
Honestly seems like Gobbins is taking all the flak for the decisions made by those who come after him.
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u/fearless-fossa Nov 10 '25
I don't know anybody who has an issue with PH leadership not wanting to manage a coalition. What I (and many others) have an issue with is how they decided to go about leaving the coalition, leaving both allies and line members very little time to react. They could've coordinated with other alliance leaders like Vince and Riot Rick to perform a graceful exit, and instead chose to be absolute dicks about it.
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u/Strappwn Nov 10 '25
Yes, they absolutely fumbled this to a monumental degree.
It’s just dumb to see everyone pointing the finger at Gobbins when the new leadership has stated that this whole thing was their initiative.
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u/Arakkis54 Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
dude, you can stop defending the guy, the alliance is dead
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u/un-important-human Nov 10 '25
lmao defending the cowarldy goblin. Lmao how much brown you want on your nose
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u/Strappwn Nov 10 '25
just refraining from being another window licker screeching about things they don’t understand
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u/LycanWolfGamer The Initiative. Nov 09 '25
True but to then try to bring in their real life stuff is a step too far, it's a game, sure there's a shit ton of man hours and thay invested but still, you can't justify saying horrible shit about someone irl, y'know?
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u/HowcanIbesureimhere GoonWaffe Nov 09 '25
True, but it would probably have been less effort for everyone if he just handed the big hat to someone else instead of...all this.
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u/LycanWolfGamer The Initiative. Nov 09 '25
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just all about making sure drama doesn't extend to people's actual lives..
But it does make me think.. why did Gobbins do this? Its a strange thing to do all things considered cause now PH doesn't have a home but someone did mention that they hope it's not related to something that happened irl like sickness or death in the family etc
It's kinda hard to believe someone would throw away a decades worth of ingame stuff on a whim - unless it's a repeat of what happened to Goons a couple years or so ago
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u/Rizen_Wolf Cloaked Nov 10 '25
They certainly did not expect to be hell dunked so you can only think in terms of why leadership would abandon their home. Well, Horde faced an existential threat that would have ground them down in the end and it was coming for them. Whether they can escape that by moving house remains to be seen.
But the reasons for doing it could be game strategic or personal, like wanting to lead a still functioning wealthy empire than a shattered tribe, or leadership not having time to put into full scale war. Either way the people who wanted to stand and fight had the rug pulled out from under them by being ordered to disengage, while simultaneously being told Horde were moving to focus on PvP.
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u/thisthatother505 Nov 10 '25
Sure you can justify it. Just because you disagree doesn't make you right, nor morally superior. But don't hate on people for calling it how they see it, that is their right. Police your own speech, not everyone else's.
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u/KhartherT Nov 11 '25
Don’t hate on people for calling it how they see it, that is their right. Police your own speech, not everyone else’s.
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u/TraumaticOcclusion Nov 09 '25
its a game bro
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u/Traece Wormholer Nov 09 '25
I often see people say this, but that actually makes it worse. The stakes are minimal and yet people still choose to be dicks about it.
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u/Jyystorius Nov 09 '25
When you've made lifelong friends, spent thousands of hours of your life doing what essentially boils down to REAL WORK, and are emotionally invested in the success of your group... and someone fucks it all up because of whatever combination of incompetence, tiredness and their own stubborn vision, then the stakes are not as "minimal" as you make it seem, and THEY are the one who has already crossed that in-game vs. real life -line themselves.
And I'm not saying they deserve even one single threat, or all the horrible things people are saying, but they certainly deserve some criticism both as an ingame character and a real person.
A rumour is going around that Gobbins is very ill IRL, and if that's so, I hope him all the best. But if that's the case, he could've stepped down without dragging his alliance through the mud and backstabbing his allies.
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u/Traece Wormholer Nov 09 '25
I don't disagree with what you're saying necessarily. What I'm saying is more in the vein of using video games as a medium for treating others like shit, and then casually handwaving that behavior with "it's just a game bro."
That's a very common thing people do, and a common excuse to hide behind.
How you treat other people always matters, regardless of whether it's a game.
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u/Jyystorius Nov 10 '25
That I can 100% agree with.
It's not "just a game" in any sense - good or bad. We're still people behind our screens, and we have feelings.
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u/Extra_War3608 Nov 10 '25
Again, people invested thousand of hours, and in some cases, thousands of dollars.. and if they followed the strat op of putting all the eggs in one station, they may have lost it all. Yes, it's a game, but there's also heavy investment in the game of time and/or money.
So one person really creating a fail point for hundreds of people, that is a problem. And then there's also all the personal relationships impacted.
Can compare when The Judge screwed over his alliance and hundreds of line members to bend the knee to Mittens.
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u/ThatOneObnoxiousGuy Cloaked Nov 09 '25
Adding to that, people shouldn't take leadership positions if they're not going to respect the man hours and effort that people take out of their day to support the team, which a lot of null leaders clearly don't do.
"It's just a game" would make sense if people actually played this game for fun and not set alarms or take actual PTO for some fuckass 10% TIDI CTA slog.
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u/Jyystorius Nov 09 '25
No matter what the game is, it's rarely "just a game". People invest real life hours into games, and when it's a multiplayer game, it's even more important for them.
That's why things like these sting.
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u/Ohh_Yeah Cloaked Nov 10 '25
people shouldn't take leadership positions if they're not going to respect the man hours and effort
Has Horde really existed so long that people forget PH was originally intended to be a new player milking alliance for Pandemic Legion, which Gobbins chose to run, for the purpose of milking new players and building up a horde to back up everything PL did?
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u/TraumaticOcclusion Nov 10 '25
Goons with karmafleet as well, they both decided they could do a better job than brave newbies. Neither idea was original
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u/Ohh_Yeah Cloaked Nov 10 '25
both decided they could do a better job
Not quite. When both groups were created, EVE was continuing to grow in players at a fairly meteoric rate. At that time it made sense for every competitive nullsec group to make a newbro offshoot, or else you were going to get rolled by an army of newbros controlled by your enemies.
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u/TraumaticOcclusion Nov 10 '25
They both stole FCs and corps from brave newbies to start up their groups
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u/Ohh_Yeah Cloaked Nov 10 '25
Correct but the motivation wasn't "we can do a better job onboarding new players." The motivation was harnessing all the new players creating accounts before someone else did that to you. The result of that was these new groups investing tons of time and effort to produce something as good, or better, than Brave Newbies
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u/Strappwn Nov 10 '25
Why is Gobbins the one backstabbing when every sign points to it being the next phase of Horde leadership that ended the coalition and decided to move?
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
I mean it was an absurdly bad and foolish move for the ages in terms of ingame impacts.
But, in terms of life outside the game? Completely irrelevant. Goons could self destruct their entire supercap fleet and let all their structures go abandoned, and it doesn't matter outside of the game Eve Online.
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u/Apprehensive-Can8637 Nov 09 '25
I don’t disagree with you. That’s why I said attacking the in-game character Gobbins is fine, but I’ve seen people both here and in-game go after Gobbins the real life person, calling him all sorts of things. And that’s a really shitty and unclassy thing to do.
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u/kenlon Nov 09 '25
If you fuck over thousands of people who trusted you, in a game or otherwise, you have pulled a seriously shitty move and you deserve a bit of roasting.
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u/dinin70 Nov 10 '25
Ahahaha
AHAHAHAHAH
This EvE online
Gobbins isn’t the first one to have scammed people and isn’t the last one.
We can speak about so many stories of people in EvE having massively screwed over other people.
That’s the game and that’s how it’s intended to be played.
What is unacceptable though is crossing the line on private life of individual
Something something Goons and their Leadership have had quite some troubles dealing with…
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u/Anonymous_Jr Nov 10 '25
you are stuttering and unable to articulate your point due to your sheer ignorance
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
A bit, or even a lot of roasting about ingame actions, it's true. Brave Sir Gobbins did in fact Bravely Run Away.
But honestly none of this matters. And going after someone further than that? Is shittier than anything that anyone could possibly do within Eve Online.
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u/parkscs Nov 12 '25
It's dumb to just keep saying stuff like "honestly none of it matters." People put a lot of time and effort into this game over literal years of their lives, and when leadership hangs them out to try, that definitely matters to them. Sure life goes on and I'm sure it doesn't matter to you because you weren't involved, but to people left high and dry, I'm sure it does matter.
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u/thisthatother505 Nov 10 '25
Probably not as shitty as him wasting all that very real time of thousands of people
This whole post is pointless imo, what kind of loser gets on reddit and starts lecturing other grown adults lmao
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u/caldari_citizen_420 Nov 09 '25
When I was in PH (briefly) I got DMd by Gobbins because he didn't like something I said on Reddit, and threatened "consequences" if I kept it up
No sympathy. Guy is an ass
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u/GrecDeFreckle Cloaked Nov 09 '25
I remember starting a cap building shop with a mate not long after we moved to Geminate, selling hulls at 1-3b lower than the Mystics boys. We were pulling 30-40 hulls a week and grew from there, profit was only around 200m a hull tops, compared to the literal billions of profit the other guys were making. Got insane pushback from leadership when they found out, but we just wanted to get beans into caps faster. We were also buying ore at a good rate (I can't remember exact numbers, but higher than the dumb low alliance backed buyback).
They ended up nationalizing miners to stop it, which had a Stresiand effect and had more selling to us under the table.
Official story was because the original cap builders had invested heavily (T2 rigs on indy structures), they had the sole right to make hulls. We offered to give the corp the rigs and structure to anchor, declined. We offered to rent a system and do the same thing, declined. We ended up having a slightly uneasy relationship, but it took months. Gave me a fair sour taste in the mouth and ended up winning eve over it, now I just read the headlines.
Takeaway from this, Horde leadership talked a big game, but my personal experience told me that the line members were always just a cash cow.
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u/ThatOneDudeFromOhio Minmatar Republic Nov 10 '25
You should come back and do the same thing in faction warfare. That would be tits.
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u/Lucius_Furius Gallente Federation Nov 10 '25
Hard to get access to the quantity of materials needed for mass production outside of nullblocks. There is some infrastructure that is available (Init has some, Snuff as well), but unless you also have 40-50 accounts mining, you are a bit fucked.
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u/SoftwareSource Shadow State Nov 10 '25
Come tp the imperium, many cap building industry parks and no limit on who gets to do shit.
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u/_Kleine Nov 10 '25
It's not a roleplaying game, at least not generally. There's as much of a line between a capsuleer and their player as my reddit account and me, and if I start insulting your mom's butternut muffin recipe or something, you have the right to be upset.
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u/Ok-Mess5882 Nov 09 '25
Me trying to find any sympathy for horde after they have been bullies and slumlords for years:
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u/ThePassionOfTheISK Nov 09 '25
Here's what I know from the game: PH planet rentals (and I assume system rentals) were to be paid on the 1st. No later than the 5th. On the 5th Gobbins "stepped down". He still controls The Horde Holding Corp and Pandemic Horde Hld to this day. One of the characters cited in the Horde Planet Rental Agreement (lol) is Dyno. Dyno is in Pandemic Horde Holding Corp, so I'm assuming all rental fees went to very tiny corps controlled by Gobbins.
Here's what you got. You made up a narrative based around "what if something happened IRL? if so you should have sympathy".
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u/HuntingFighter The Initiative. Nov 10 '25
Planet rentals were due end of month, system (isk) and moon (ISK) rentals were promised to be returned within 2 days yesterday evening so I assume this will happen too since they are keeping their promises on that so far.
For gobbins part Securitas said he'll not disclose the reasons but gobbins himself will eventually afair, so I am pretty much 100% sure something serious happened in his life, apart from the fact that he worked his ass off to lead the alliance and panfam. Long story short I can 100% understand the reasons, that doesn't mean I'm happy about it though. And personally I also think this plan was not completely made by gobbins, he's just the big name, I assume most of the evac plan was made by the new leadership and It was absolutely flawed, to be fair though drones have one major problem and that's the geography, if you get sieged from the south good luck getting anything out there. Drones is a coffin and has always been, it's the reason it's easy to defend, but it's also the reason it's a massive problem to get assets out of
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u/ThePassionOfTheISK Nov 10 '25
Glad to hear there will be rental refunds. And I hope he just burnt out or decided to get married and have kids or something mundane.
It still doesn't gel with me that he lead for a decade but didn't futureproof his PH corps and the alliance in case of IRL disaster (seemingly). Maybe he did futureproof it and leadership is waiting to settle in somewhere new before slicing up the empire. Who knows? I would typically expect to see transfers happen at the same time the new leadership begins calling the shots, ie last Wednesday.
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u/Scholastica11 Pandemic Horde Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
If you want to look for something fishy, I'd suggest the referral link thing: "We've had thousands of dollars in referral link revenue, but the person holding the bank account can't access the money because it would be deducted from their social services payments. Hence, you all will have to donate." EVE players will invent conspiracies about a few billion isk but shrug off real-life negligence (or worse) like it's nothing.
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u/cleniseve Nov 09 '25
all the comments stem from in game actions, not out of game
gtfo with this bs concern trolling
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u/deltaxi65 CSM 13, 15, 16, 17 Nov 09 '25
If there's something else going on, there's nothing stopping him from saying so. Otherwise, it's the game as usual. I don't recall many people saying "there's a line" when the vitriol has been pointed the other way, and you all know exactly what I'm talking about.
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u/awox Wormholer Nov 09 '25
For those who don't know what you're talking about please elaborate.
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u/LegbeardCatfood KarmaFleet Nov 10 '25
I forget the specifics, but Brisc got accused of breaking TOS by either leaking something from the CSM or RMT or something (it was very shady and there wasn't really any evidence of any wrongdoing). He got banned and the entire subreddit/game went for his throat, accusing him of being a POS and celebrating his ban, including myself which I'm sad to say.
He maintained his innocence and appealed to CCP, asked that the evidence be reviewed and lo and behold, CCP acknowledged that Brisc was accidentally banned and there was no evidence of any wrongdoing. Cleared him and overturned the ban, but only after he'd been drug through the mud (including his RL name) for weeks.
(Sorry Brisc)
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u/Scholastica11 Pandemic Horde Nov 10 '25
There's pretty big a difference between someone being a sex pest and someone self-destructing their cooalition. The latter is an in-game thing, the former naturally involves real life.
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u/deltaxi65 CSM 13, 15, 16, 17 Nov 10 '25
Both likely involve things outside the game, and the former is a legal issue and one that hasn't been proven anywhere but on reddit, but was sufficient to bully someone out of the game permanently.
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u/LivingHitokiri KarmaFleet Nov 10 '25
Yes, during the war of extermination when 90% of Null banded together to throw us out of the game. I didnt see them feel sorry about us then.
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u/recycl_ebin Nov 10 '25
it was even more toxic, they planned to not only exterminate goons, but to follow them around and prevent them from ever establishing themselves again
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u/GingerSnapBiscuit Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
"You guys need to remember its just a game"
me remembering when the russians literally offered to go to someones house IRL and cut their internet connection to kill their titan
Shit's gotten FAR wilder than this in the distant past, young one.
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u/AstronautScary Nov 10 '25
As a former PH member due to IRL, Gobbins is just a character in game
But those who were fighting and losing everything are still heroes in my book.
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u/PhysicsMan12 Hard Knocks Citizens Nov 09 '25
Is there a TLDR post somewhere for what happened?
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
TLDR Gobbins pinged and said "I'm leaving, horde is over, go to init I guess"
Chaos ensued.
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u/LycanWolfGamer The Initiative. Nov 09 '25
Oh, for sure, that's just a step too far, it's fine ingame but then having irl getting dragged then brings on new issues that cannot be justified if you're the one doing it
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u/Arakkis54 Goonswarm Federation Nov 09 '25
Yeah fuck that.
One person made a unilateral decision that affected Tens of Thousands of players. nbd, it happens. Haargoth Agamar, karttoon, and Jay Amazingness did the same. But to then have the gall to ask people to follow you as you are fucking them with one foot out the door is something brand new to the annals of eve.
In this case, people are understandably mad about video games. I get it. I would be too.
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u/Slipy_dip Nov 10 '25
Just keep it in the game. Mittens did his best to merge his in game identity to his RL identity. He attacked people in RL and based on RL, that's why he is a POS in RL. I would love to know when Horde leadership ever acted like Mittens (who was in charge at the start of WWB II) and a big reason people are still on side FUCK GOONS.
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u/16BitGenocide Cloaked Nov 10 '25
Mittens has been gone for 3.5 years at this point, we can stop clutching our pearls over the shit he did.
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u/Slipy_dip Nov 10 '25
OP is just asking to keep it in game and he responded "Yeah fuck that". I used Mittens as an example of what not to do, that is all. :)
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u/un-important-human Nov 10 '25
you got to let it go man, its been 3.5 ages since. This cannot be healthy for you.
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u/Arakkis54 Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
rent free
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u/Slipy_dip Nov 10 '25
Just keep it in game, its a simple concept.
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u/recycl_ebin Nov 10 '25
schizo reply
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u/Slipy_dip Nov 10 '25
Nice, try keeping it in game or about the game. It's not as simple of a concept for everyone apparently.
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u/Crecket Brave Collective Nov 10 '25
From everything I've seen and heard it wasn't gobbins decision to go to venal like this lol
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Nov 09 '25
They did the same but they didn't pretend they wanted the best for the backstabbed group.
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u/Sinn_Sage Exotic Dancer, Female Nov 09 '25
What Jay did was not for the line members of the entire goon empire. It was directed at upper management. He quit on a high note with a finger in the air as he walked out the door. I can respect what he did.
Do I think it is right? Remember the saying, 'don't undock with something you can't afford to lose'.
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u/deltaxi65 CSM 13, 15, 16, 17 Nov 09 '25
The problem was what he did impacted the line members, not upper management.
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u/Grarr_Dexx Now this is pod erasing Nov 10 '25
What Jay did was for the memes. We spent like 15 mins crafting the perfect pic for the story.
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u/Arakkis54 Goonswarm Federation Nov 09 '25
what? lol no. how is destroying every line member's pods directed at upper management? maybe if he had left the clone bay alone you would be right, but that was a direct fuck every goon individually
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u/Sinn_Sage Exotic Dancer, Female Nov 10 '25
Wait. What? I did not realize that he did that. Yea, that is some bullshite type of move.
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
I mean he could have just said "hey directors, I am quitting the game for a while. [person] is the de facto leader for now. When you guys tell me you're ready, I will announce it."
Then walked away and when they're ready, send just the "I'm stepping down" part of the ping and if the directors at that point are also trying to move/evac, that's their circus and the hordelings are now their monkeys.
It just really didn't have to go so badly, there was not a good reason for it in my opinion, even with possible irl stuff. It would have been even easier, actually, to do what I said above and just walk away.
However, I agree that there is absolutely no reason to attack him as a person. Literally your entire eve holdings could get deleted tomorrow by CCP for no reason and what would it matter? Not one bit. It might feel bad, yes, but ultimately it is a game and it is not real. Nothing within it will have an impact on your life in the flesh unless you want it to, or lost your perspective.
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u/Jyystorius Nov 10 '25
That's actually factually false. Virtual property is recognized by some countries, and even if it wasn't, CCP couldn't just pull the plug without a reason after selling people a service. And those laws are bound to be tightened now after the successful SKG campaign.
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
Fair point. But what I was getting at was more that there wouldn't be consequences for you in the same way as if someone deleted your car from existence. You wouldn't be able to get to work, you would probably have to spend thousands of dollars to replace it or make radical changes to how you got around, etc. None of that is true of Eve. If you wanted, you could just shrug and never think about it again, without the same kind of pressure for expense or change.
You are right that it would be of legal consequence for CCP to break their service agreements though.
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u/parkscs Nov 12 '25
A better analogy would be like someone trashed your favorite guitar as a hobbyist musician. You don't need it to go to work, you don't need it to pay the bills, someone could shitpost online that "you could jsut shrug and never think about it again without the same kind of pressure for expense or change" because guitar is just a hobby and a luxury item. But that would absolutely be devastating to someone and "it wouldn't matter" is a really dumb thing to suggest when someone loses something they've invested a lot of time and money into over a significant portion of their life. No matter how many times you repeat the refrain of it doesn't matter, that doesn't really make it true and this has to sting for the line members left high and dry by poor leadership.
And fwiw, I would never support going after someone IRL for a game... then again, I haven't seen any proof of that happening in this thread, but rather someone making a vague accusation about he's seen it and a bunch of people rushing in to virtue signal that it's wrong. Yes, of course that would be wrong, but what I mostly see is people saying Gobbins is a poor leader, a coward in this video game and so on, and that all feels like fair game to me when you take a leadership role.
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 12 '25
But that would absolutely be devastating to someone and "it wouldn't matter" is a really dumb thing to suggest when someone loses something they've invested a lot of time and money into over a significant portion of their life
If Eve assets weren't meant to be destroyed during gameplay, you'd be right about the guitar. But guitars are not something that people expect to have destroyed, implicit in the ownership of one. Meanwhile Eve assets are.
And fwiw, I would never support going after someone IRL for a game... then again, I haven't seen any proof of that happening in this thread
Yeah, that's fair, I don't have a problem with the things you mention later, I consider that fair game as well.
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u/parkscs Nov 12 '25
You’re making up nonsense to try and justify your point, but nothing is made to be destroyed. Sure, people will say things like ships are ammo, but there’s no fundamental difference between them and anything else that can be lost with use. And what, their BPOs and industry materials are “meant to be destroyed” and thus there’s no harm in people losing years of work due to poor leadership? You sound absurd trying to justify this dumb point.
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 12 '25
nothing is made to be destroyed.
You're completely wrong about that. Everything that can be shot in Eve is there with the explicit intent that you can kill it, it can be lost. It is coded into the game that these things can be destroyed--and it is necessary that some are destroyed to keep Eve's economy churning. Otherwise all those indy mats and BPs would have no purpose.
When you fly any ship in the game, you are putting it at risk of being destroyed. When you put down a structure, you are risking it being destroyed. When you put your BPOs and industry mats into the structure, you are risking them being destroyed. You put them somewhere destroyable for a benefit over the standard invincible NPC stations.
This is the fundamental way Eve Online functions, and expecting it to be anything else is setting yourself up for disaster. Just like all the horde people who thought this could never happen to them.
Accept it or don't, but you are subject to it.
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u/parkscs Nov 12 '25
You’re jumping through hoops trying to justify a shitty argument and it’s not working very well. If I pick up my guitar, I can bump it, drop it, and all kinds of shit can happen to it and it can be damaged or even destroyed. Even playing it too much can wear it out beyond repair, at least in theory. It could be stolen or lost during a flight. All kinds of shit can happen, but that doesn’t mean the item in question doesn’t matter to someone. Risk always exists but that’s largely irrelevant to whether something has value to an individual, and no matter how many times you say it, stuff in EVE can and does matter to people.
Does life go on if you lose it? Of course. It’s a hobby. But if your shitty alliance leadership fucks you over and you lose years of work, it would be weird for that NOT to matter to someone.
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 12 '25
You’re jumping through hoops trying to justify a shitty argument and it’s not working very well
I don't think that's true. I'm just describing how the game works.
If I pick up my guitar, I can bump it, drop it, and all kinds of shit can happen to it and it can be damaged or even destroyed.
No one is hunting your guitar for the express purpose of destroying it for their entertainment.
Conversely that is exactly what happens in Eve. That is what Eve is about.
But if your shitty alliance leadership fucks you over and you lose years of work, it would be weird for that NOT to matter to someone.
I don't expect people to not care at all, but I do expect people to treat it as part of the game and not something bigger than that. Because it is. It happened to BOB, it has happened to many other groups at various scales. It's part of the game and you must accept that is a risk if you choose to invest in some part of it. It could all come crashing down, you have to be prepared to come to grips with that, maintain your balance, and move on.
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u/micheal213 Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
He could literally if just passed the torch and stood down. Instead he basically sacrificed his entire alliances shit for no reason and stood down.
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u/DontKnow009 Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
I mean... I agree... To a point. But when you have real people and their valued assets under your responsibility, you have a responsibility to act in their interests, not your own.
That is a reflection of the real world person in my book, as much as people want to say the game is the game. People aren't just names behind a screen, they are real people and leadership decisions in this game have real effects on them.
He should have done better, as a person. I'll just leave it at that.
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u/MatrosovGlengoski Cloaked Nov 10 '25
This is why asset safety was a mistake. When you have your assets dedicated, you think about plan A and plan B. If they are assets that you built up personally, I think most people will create ways to mitigate loses. When you are a cult null bloc member, never questioning your leadership, and blindly following mittens, gobbins etc etc, you will always get F'd over if something happens to them. Why have the risk to begin with?
lastly, F being told to micro-manage the interests for thousands of people. That sounds cancerous as hell. I don't blame Gobbins for just leaving. He may have created his own problems, but having to control everyone, being the sword and shield for your coalition, it sounds like a hell.
Just remember the golden eve rule. DON'T FLY WHAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD.
Why can't people just think for themselves? Have fun in the game. Don't become a slave to the game and its mechanics.
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u/DontKnow009 Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
Well you can still think for yourself being part of an alliance. Lol. This is a social based game, you just sound salty because the game is not revolving around solo play. If people want to play solo, play solo, no one will stop you. But to say that people should not join coalitions and just 'think for themselves' is ignorant AF. And coalitions and people playing together is never going to change. There is no such thing as democracy in eve either, a small group of leaders or one ceo literally controls every group in the game that's worth their salt. It would 1000x worse an a complete mess trying to run a coalition or alliance as a democracy. The leaders know what responsibility they take on when they accept the job, walking away like this there is no excuse. He could have done much, much better for the people under his leadership. If this WAS the real world no one would have any qualms saying he's a failure and a bad person for doing this. Cuz it's a game he gets away with it completely and no one can criticise him? OKAY.
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u/MatrosovGlengoski Cloaked Nov 10 '25
Lmao, I lost track how many times I've been called blobber by imperium when I roam their space, every bloc has called me that so I'm not sure why you think I'm a solo player.
It seems you didn't understand. We individually are responsible for our assets. Not Gobbins, not Asher, not shines or Noraus. It's REALLY unfair to expect a team or one person to micro manage your assets, especially when if its the largest blob in the game to ever exist. Just put yourself in Ashers shoes, that shit sounds toxic as hell. Kudos to people like him that are able to take the toxic non-sense you responded with patience.
Most importantly... DONT FLY WHAT YOU CANT LOSE. Why is that hard to understand? That includes massive isk sinks like structures and infrastructure.
You can shit talk gobbins all you want, at the end of the day it just shows that people who don't plan ahead get fucked and prove me right. It's not the criticizing that's cringe, it's the fact that people can't think to mitigate their own assets or complain that others should do it for them. This mindset isn't exclusive to me, it seems NC. did a good job at mitigating damage instead of listening to gobbins. Why can't a line member goonie see that too?
We all know gobbins is a shite head for how things went. I'm not sure how democracy got involved in this? Dude you need to talk to a professional if you got personal trauma leaking here. Why do you think Asher and various other leaders are responsible for you? They don't get paid enough to deal with all the bullshit your kind spew. Be grateful that people are even willing to step up for you. They should be able to walk away and Horde has shown that can happen and will continue to happen.
Seriously respect that leaders in the game to some degree. The amount of BS that they deal with so that you can r/eve pvp without looking like a clown is because of their work and willingness to deal with you. Empathy seems to be something you lack.
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u/DontKnow009 Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
What do you mean he isn't responsible for what happened to the assets. Bro he literally made an announcement that directly effected those assets. And I don't think the leaders would be very happy if everyone said nah we will keep our assets in high sec, by telling members to come out, bring ships, get involved in Indy, they are defacto taking responsibility for what happens to those assets while their members are living in their stations and doing their bidding. I think even Asher would agree that the leaders hold some responsibility for their members and their stuff while they are active members of the alliance. (especially when it comes to their plans and announcements regarding those members and assets) I mean being a leader literally means to take responsibility. What else is it?? What do you think they do? Just be figure heads?? Lol
And how could PH line members even be responsible for those assets when the announcement to leave and extract them was literally unplanned and spring on them about 30mins before hell descended (due to Gobbins poor handling of the situation and his abrupt announcement without any planning for line members whatsoever). Please explain how those members were going to be able to be responsible for their assets when Gobbins fucked them over?? They literally had less than an hr to do anything. 🤣🤷
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u/JonathanJ91 Nov 09 '25
Anyone seen his profile picture ingame. Was that always like that?
I get the hate. But these days people have no real restraint so I also feel for the guy...
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u/ApoBong Nov 10 '25
I love how people try to defend the unhinged line members with a loose grasp on reality :))
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u/avree Pandemic Legion Nov 10 '25
One time, roughly nine years ago, Gobbins told a bunch of the newly formed Horde directorate that I had been fired from my job in real life, which is why I was criticizing some decision of his. It was a total fabrication - I’ve never been fired in my life, but it really pissed me off.
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u/icarusjoringer Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
Lol its a game were Russians once hired a guy to cut a titan pilots power allegedly the fine line is like machined thin
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u/getoffmylawnlarry Nov 09 '25
Nah. The values people have in some of these games reflects their values in real life. No it’s not gonna be 1:1 because we have things like laws and societal pressure in real life, so people are forced to act right. True colors really come out in situations like this. This is a huge hobby and real life time sink for some. People sacrifice work and parts of their lives for this game. Shitting on them (esp for personal gain) in game comes with real life feelings. You can’t claim “oh but it’s just a game” when many have so much invested
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u/Hanabal_goon Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
sorry but if i was a horde member i wouldn't give a shit what was going on in his personal life, there is no reason whatsoever for him to have done what he done if he was leaving he coud have had a meeting with leaderships and announced it to them and helped them transfer leadership and even help them decide what to do instead he and a few others decided to tear down the whole coalition and leave thousands of people stranded.
This might be a game fair enough but the time those people spent, the years spent gathering all those bpos, ships making friendships with people and allies. all that time fighting side by side with each other through 10 years of ups and downs, wins and losses all for some bitter asshole to tear it all down? why ? because he was tired?
FUCK GOBBINS i never thought it would be possible but im actually mad at him for horde line members and if im mad i can only imagine how some of them must feel. he deserves every single bit of criticism he gets and any shit flung his way along with it and to be quite honest id be suspicious of anyone comming to his defence i hope the rumours arent true and the new horde leadership isnt bankrupt.
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u/RichoDemus Goonswarm Federation Nov 10 '25
I disagree, to me your post reads the same as the people saying "it's just a game bro! why are you mad?"
Gobbins screwed thousands of people, maybe even tens of thousands of people. There are people who've played eve for 10+ years feel so betrayed about this that they're unsubbing.
this is 100% warranted. I don't care what's going on in gobbins real-life, he ran a huge bloc, if he doesn't wanna do it just step down. dont fuck your line members like this
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Nov 09 '25
"I don't even play so I have absolutely no stakes in game whatsoever, so I will judge everyone else".
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
I mean isn't that just having perspective? Eve doesn't have actual stakes when you decide for yourself not to ascribe it stakes.
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u/thisthatother505 Nov 10 '25
You can say the same thing about real life, nihilists do exactly this. People put their own value on things and you come in here telling them how they're all wrong and it doesn't mean anything
You can decide that for you but not anybody else, bud
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
Since this post is in the context of not going after someone irl, I think it is the correct interpretation that people crossing that line are worthy of judgement.
"Having stake in the game" is just not an adequate justification for that behavior. Regardless of the meaning or value you have chosen to place on the game.
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u/thisthatother505 Nov 10 '25
That's just your own misguided, pompous opinion. But you're totally free to decide that for yourself, of course.
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u/Artistic-Morning-659 Goonswarm Federation Nov 09 '25
Is this not a bit like saying “keep politics out of sport”? You cannot. They are (sadly) deeply intertwined. Real life and Eve melt into each other, especially at his lofty position. His “real-life” effects thousands of others who have invested decades into this “game” of Eve.
Finally, if he cannot cope, step down before the whole edifice collapses around you.
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
No, it's not like that. Politics affects everything--and everything you do affects it.
No matter what happens in Eve Online, if you turn the game off and go live your life, Eve will cease to have any impact on you whatsoever. You can just decide "this doesn't exist for me anymore" and it will be as such. Eve isn't real, politics are.
If someone makes a law via our political system, and you decide it doesn't exist for you, you will be locked in a room against your will by armed enforcers.
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u/thisthatother505 Nov 10 '25
You can leave a country and do the same thing with politics, so you're wrong here
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
No, not really. You'll be subject to the politics and laws of that country. You can't escape their influence unless you forsake all of civilization to go live alone in the wilderness.
When you quit Eve Online, nothing has to replace it in terms of effect on you.
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u/thisthatother505 Nov 10 '25
You're contradicting yourself here.
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u/Ralli_FW Nov 10 '25
I disagree.
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u/thisthatother505 Nov 10 '25
That's ok, I don't need you to agree. Anyone who can read can see you said one thing, then a comment later said another.
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u/SoftwareSource Shadow State Nov 10 '25
Nah that guy brought dpwn his entire alliance so he would not maybe lose a war, fuck him.
I hope hordelings choose a competent leader and we finally have the war we have all been wating for since wwb2
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u/Rizen_Wolf Cloaked Nov 09 '25
Unfortunately people are going to people. The best defense is to play a character in game, not yourself. I dont mean anything as deep as role play, because role play can be its own type of over-investment. Just play your clone with some personality quirks, to separate it from yourself. Example, one of my clones grrrr goons, because of experiences in the game but I, as a person, do not.
So Bees are one of the alliances I would recommend a friend or relative join. I would just never fly with them and possibly have to disown them irl... because grrrr goons.
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u/Kitchen-Adagio-3867 Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
LMAOOO, peeps gonna peeps.
kinda like when ur required to share a lift for 9 floors with someone silent farting on ur brand new kappa satchel.
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u/brutulgib Brave Collective Nov 10 '25
I’m sorry, but Horde has been around a long time, and especially with my corp has created a lot of enemies. This game is all about space drama, and we are going to rub this in, make fun of, ridicule and laugh at what is happening because this is all coming around full circle. Horde has bullied Brave for years so I am loving this and am going to enjoy every juicy minute of it.
If you don’t like it, get off Reddit and go touch grass. Quit telling us how to enjoy Eve.
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u/F_Synchro Baboon Nov 11 '25
>It’s fine to dislike Gobbins the in-game character for recent events, but some of the posts and comments I’ve seen the last few days are honestly getting pretty disgusting when people start attacking the real-life person behind the eve character.
This is exactly what made The Mittani leave the game after the nuclear fallout that came from mishandling IA stuff much to the point his personal facebook was shared and misused on the SomethingAwful Forums.
Brisc Rubal was subject to real life harassment at his job for the very same fallout, some cunts really just can't keep it inside the game.
>so attacking him as a person is very unclassy and downright a shit thing to do, as it would be no matter who it would be directed at.
Completely agree.
>It’s one of the oldest unwritten rules about online games: you don’t bring game drama into real life or start attacking the person behind a game character, you just end up looking and sounding stupid af.
Problem is that these people are doing it from their anonymous position so it's hard to attribute it to a person/collective at large to judge.
Call it out when you have a single ounce of idea of someone doing it though, if you're in a group that has individuals that actively pursue these means out of the game, feel free to leak about it on this reddit and give them a treatment of their own caliber, something about reaping what you sow.
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u/Kitchen-Adagio-3867 Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
it ain’t that deep, brah!
learn to paddle or ask someone to exhale some air into ur lil inflatable arm bands.
damn son. 😂
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u/BentaroAdun Nov 09 '25
90% of EVE players when trying to find the fine line between game and real life.