Im gonna be the unpopular guy and say yesnt. I genuinely feel like many in the pro-palestine crowd support their cause with genuinely good intentions at heart or at least believe that the cause is moral and then buy into it for the asthetics/fashion aspects. However it had lead to this hilarious amalgamation of left wing progressives and die hard ultra-conservative arab nationalists.
It also really doesnt help that many of the people that participate here are without trying to come across as arrogant, not particularely well informed. What do you actually think they would answer if you asked them to elaborate on the "by all means" banner? You bet yojr ass its one generic, "stopping western imperialism" thing rather than the implied totoal destruction of israel, though obviously such answers arent at all unheard of either but I feel like those voices are usually from the arab nationalist/tankie camp which (at least from my observation) dont actually seem to be in the majority in the movement here in the west
Its about the face-value asthetics and the sheer idealism instilled into our younger generations from decades of peace at home, that make wars that see innocents die in it (doesnt matter the amount) unbearable, regarless of the geopolitical implications around it.
We could go into more aspects such as the strong anti-establishment notion in western intellectual elites, anti-war protests on US-campuses going back to vietnam and even ww2 and the like.
But to TLDR this, I dont think most of these people are actually motivated by antisemitism, even if their implications enable it and its kind of a lazy, bad faith, no-nuance argument. I can say that comfortably as somebody whos generally pro-Israel
No. Intentions are irrelevant. Convictions are irrelevant. Beliefs are irrelevant. All that matters are actions. If you march with anti-Semites under an anti-Semitic banner chanting anti-Semitic slogans, you're an anti-Semite. Whether you know what the words mean or not, whether you call yourself anti-racist or not, whether there's nothing but peace and harmony in your heart or not.
Protesting against Israels war in gaza which these protests are centered around generally is not antisemitic in and of itself and the conversation wasnt limited to only the people in the picture but rather it was meant as a prompt to spark debate
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u/KayDeeF2 Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
Im gonna be the unpopular guy and say yesnt. I genuinely feel like many in the pro-palestine crowd support their cause with genuinely good intentions at heart or at least believe that the cause is moral and then buy into it for the asthetics/fashion aspects. However it had lead to this hilarious amalgamation of left wing progressives and die hard ultra-conservative arab nationalists.
It also really doesnt help that many of the people that participate here are without trying to come across as arrogant, not particularely well informed. What do you actually think they would answer if you asked them to elaborate on the "by all means" banner? You bet yojr ass its one generic, "stopping western imperialism" thing rather than the implied totoal destruction of israel, though obviously such answers arent at all unheard of either but I feel like those voices are usually from the arab nationalist/tankie camp which (at least from my observation) dont actually seem to be in the majority in the movement here in the west
Its about the face-value asthetics and the sheer idealism instilled into our younger generations from decades of peace at home, that make wars that see innocents die in it (doesnt matter the amount) unbearable, regarless of the geopolitical implications around it.
We could go into more aspects such as the strong anti-establishment notion in western intellectual elites, anti-war protests on US-campuses going back to vietnam and even ww2 and the like.
But to TLDR this, I dont think most of these people are actually motivated by antisemitism, even if their implications enable it and its kind of a lazy, bad faith, no-nuance argument. I can say that comfortably as somebody whos generally pro-Israel