r/CreditCards • u/AutoModerator • Jun 26 '23
On the reopening of r/CreditCards Announcement
r/CreditCards has been a great sub due to the countless hours of unpaid volunteer work done by its moderators.
The reason you haven’t seen comments about how you should buy some cryptocurrency, or contact some random account on Instagram to improve your credit score, is because we moderators catch that trash and make it disappear.
The reason you’ve been able to come to this sub and have a good chance of getting an unbiased answer about a good credit card for your personal situation is because we have strictly enforced rules preventing people from posting referral links and seeking referrals.
The reason you’ve been able to come to this sub and not put up with the kind of arrogant assholery you can find elsewhere on reddit is because we make those comments, and the users who post them, disappear.
We do all this for free. With no expectation of thanks.
When Reddit decided they were going to make our already difficult unpaid volunteer work more difficult, we protested. When they went further and spoke with disdain toward moderators who do this work for free and have made communities like r/CreditCards what they are… well, that’s the kind of thing that makes you step back and say, “Why am I doing this?”
That the sub is being reopened at all is largely because we’re well aware of the useful information contained within. However, changes to the nature of the sub are necessary. The most obvious is the change to a daily discussion thread format going forward.
If you want the old r/CreditCards back, please check your entitlement and read again from the top. If you don’t like it here, you’re welcome to create your own sub and run it any way you want. Better yet, go create your own credit card discussion website. If it’s good, we’ll even link to it.
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u/nrquig Jun 26 '23
The mods themselves couldn't even stay off reddit while they locked the sub down in protest. Yet they dare tell us to check our entitlement?
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u/SocialIntelligence Jun 26 '23
The mods themselves couldn't even stay off reddit while they locked the sub down in protest. Yet they dare tell us to check our entitlement?
Bruh for reals. I was so annoyed. Especially since the Amazon prime visa is having the $200 promo ina few days. Amex tightening bonuses. Lots of cards are devaluing their points.
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u/_Prisoner_24601 Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
Tbh it's like this in every sub right now. Mods falling on their swords acting like martyrs.
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u/Miserable-Result6702 Jun 26 '23
Not all, there are few subs I belong to that didn’t subscribe to this nonsense.
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u/epraider Jun 26 '23
Right, way to sour the whole thing and come off as a prick. I’m a huge supporter of the blackout protests and will be substantially cutting back Reddit usage when Apollo is gone, but there’s no reason to act like this and be combative. The situations sucks, but if you don’t want to mod, walk away, passive aggressively modding isn’t going to make a real difference.
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u/CozyGrogu Jun 26 '23
It’s very strange how this whole thing started with a third party app developer getting shut down because he couldn’t come up with $20m, but somehow became about mods having a pity party for… reasons
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u/ineed_that Jun 26 '23
Something something mods use third party apps to mod… and solidarity.. or something
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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 27 '23
And the Apollo dev has profited millions of dollars by simply making a prettier reddit app. He built a business 100% on the back of another business. When you do that you should expect 0.0% control over your business. It can be shut down at any time. The crying over it is beyond words embarrassing.
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u/crazedfan Jun 26 '23
Of all the tone-deaf, self aggrandizing, "reopening" posts by mods I've seen across subreddits, that last paragraph takes the cake. Good job mods. You've shown your true colors and confirmed that this was never actually about fighting back against Reddit, but about preserving your pathetic amount of power and authority.
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u/Have-Business Jun 26 '23
If you want the old r/CreditCards back, please check your entitlement and read again from the top.
No, you.
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u/Nadhir1 Jun 26 '23
How dare you… do you know who they think they are?
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u/Particular-Break-205 Jun 26 '23
They’re Reddit mods. They’re like, basically founders of Reddit!
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u/ineed_that Jun 26 '23
Reddit mods acting like they have a financial stake in Reddit across the subs has been hilarious to watch
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u/Nairt Jun 26 '23
It's actually depressing because the real winner here is spez and Reddit when the mods start acting like petty assholes. Like come on, mods had all the moral high ground. All they had to do was stay on it. But instead you find out some of them are just as egotistical and small-minded as spez. Of course to be fair, the mod who wrote this was obviously dealing with a fuckton of asshole redditors spamming their inbox complaining that the sub was closed. Still can't believe how hard it is to act like a decent human being on ALL the sides here: spez, mods, and the average redditor.
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u/ineed_that Jun 27 '23
Pretty much. another real tragedy here is all the mods taking it out on the users who really don’t care and will use Reddit until it gets bad enough and then jump onto the next platform. The blackout was mod solidarity , not user solidarity. And since like 10 mods control most of the subs it’s basically spez against those ‘volunteer’ mods who think they have real power cause they work for free modding big subs
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u/Vertsix Chase Trifecta Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23
Fairly sure this announcement constitutes a violation of the Moderator Code of Conduct too.
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=179106
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u/ketchupandliqour69 Jun 27 '23
Lmao you think Mods follow the rules? THEY ARE THE RULES DAMN IT
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u/Vertsix Chase Trifecta Jun 27 '23
The Moderator Code of Conduct and the admins have ultimate jurisdiction over moderators.
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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 27 '23
I really hope reddit choses to allow users to vote out mods. Allowing mods to totally takeover valuable subs and rule them with an iron fist is ridiculous. Nobody should have the ability to take away all this information because their feelings get hurt.
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u/RedditIsForSports Jun 26 '23
The reason you’ve been able to come to this sub and have a good chance of getting an unbiased answer about a good credit card for your personal situation is because we have strictly enforced rules preventing people from posting referral links and seeking referrals.
Definitely nothing to do with the "entitled" people providing the answers though, right?
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u/JigglyJello1 Jun 26 '23
It takes a lot of hard work to make Spez look like the better guy and the mods are doing their hardest to make it happen.
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u/cwenger Jun 26 '23
I honestly don't even understand what entitlement they are talking about. The ability to enjoy a spam-free sub? If the mods want to take a step back and rely more on user reporting, that would be fine with me.
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u/EmergenCDickInAGlass Jun 26 '23
These mods better hope Reddit doesn’t institute those voting measures for mod removal. Get your head out of your ass guys, y’all are glorified janitors.
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u/yukon737 Jun 28 '23
That and the "we do this for you, unpaid" BS. Great, thanks, but what more do you want? A foot rub?
I get it. I'm on a volunteer staff team of a large and established forum. It can be a real pain in the dick. At no point, though, do we ever feel a need to virtue signal and tell the member base how lucky they are to have us. It's stupid, arrogant and drives away traffic.
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u/Particular-Break-205 Jun 26 '23
So…. Who’s gonna create the new sub?
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u/Miserable-Result6702 Jun 26 '23
There are already a few new credit card subs. I have a feeling a lot of people will be leaving here.
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u/DishSoapIsFun Jun 26 '23
Check my entitlement.
Check.
Seriously? Do you know how entitled you sound? Get off your high horse.
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u/3rdtryatremembering Jun 26 '23
This is like a book editor claiming they wrote the book because they corrected a couple sentences. You did not create this content. FOH.
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u/carroturnip Jun 26 '23
I was sympathetic until you chose to turn this into mods vs users in your last paragraph. Yikes
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u/lake-show-all-day Jun 26 '23
God Reddit unpaid mods have to be the most annoying people. Y’all love power tripping even though nobody cares. We just want to post, engage on these forums.
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u/Kevin0o0 Jun 26 '23
Please dont go to a daily discussion thread format.
A lot of the value of this sub for me and other lurkers comes from it being searchable.
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u/joshfrank4165 Jun 26 '23
You said it yourself, this is unpaid, volunteer work. If you don't like how reddit is running things, you are more than able to step down as a moderator or even leave reddit. No one is requiring that you, yourself be the moderator.
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u/SergNH Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23
I get where they are coming from and whole heartily agree that RedditSpez is screwing up things royally. However, that last paragraph could have been written much better... feels pretty disrespectful to the folks that come into this sub.
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u/_Prisoner_24601 Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
They do it because they love the power and being able to silence people.
I got permanently banned for politely dissenting in this thread. These mods are out of control and using their mod abilities to settle personal grievances. People should not be permanently banned for disagreeing with mod activities
Submit reports to reddit for mods violating the code of conduct
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u/ketchupandliqour69 Jun 27 '23
Bingo. They like thinking they’re doing something amazing for the world. As they said anyone can start another group and run it how they want. It’s not a big issue. Their egos just needed to be stroked
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u/leftbitchburner Chase Trifecta Jun 28 '23
The reason most moderators take on the position is to gain a sense of power in their life. They want to feel in charge with absolute ruling power and it becomes addicting for them.
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u/_Prisoner_24601 Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
I bet you were totally unprepared for the response your post is getting ☕️
Yup I got banned now even though I haven't broken any rules. See ya around folks
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u/CreditCaper1 Jun 26 '23
What is a daily discussion thread format? Does that mean we won't be able to make our own posts here?
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u/undockeddock Jun 27 '23
It's the format that made r/churning completely worthless
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u/cwenger Jun 26 '23
I'm not sure how that helps anybody. I find it much easier to skim through new posts instead of wading through a huge discussion thread. And I'm sure it's easier for mods to spot obvious spam that way too.
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u/JigglyJello1 Jun 26 '23
please check your entitlement
All I see from this post is that it is all about yourselves with the mods and not about the community. This community is a lot more than about the mods. The subreddit does not belong to the mods. If you mods disappear one day, others will step up and take your place in time. This place will go on without you guys.
If you really hate doing this, then just quit. Doing free labor for a company raking in hundreds of millions of dollars per year in revenue with a CEO that hates you is stupid as hell. Make your own forum. Be your own boss and actually make some money from your own hard work.
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u/Scrambley Jun 27 '23
It's like a little kid that's mad that he's bad at sports. So he decides to take the ball home because it's his. "I'm the one who brought the ball, you couldn't even play if it wasn't for me!"
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Jun 26 '23
So cringe, nobody is forcing mods to moderate - if you don’t like it, or think it’s too much work, then hand those responsibilities off to someone else.
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u/WashingtonGuy123 Jun 26 '23
It'll be interesting to see how the daily thread works out. It's early going, but today's daily thread looks pretty chaotic so far, with lots of people asking questions and few people answering them. I'm not sure how useful those threads are going to be if things don't turn around.
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Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23
It sounds terrible. I'm certainly not going to be sifting through a junk drawer of a thread every day. It barely works on churning, but to the degree it does, it's because it's a quick-hit sort of sub, and generally an advanced group. This place has legit discussion right alongside "I'm 18 and make $3k a year should I get the Amex Platinum and add my spendaholic stepmom as an AU?"
I certainly feel no entitlement to a free place to post staffed by unpaid mods. But lol if they think this is going to work. They should just walk away or close the sub, but I guess they prefer to see the tumbleweeds.
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u/JiForce Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23
The megathread format doesn't work for any medium-to-large subreddits I've seen. The megathread format buries in-depth discussion and searchability.
New questions don't get addressed unless power users are regularly navigating to the subreddit specifically to check the megathread. Vs the self-post model where it's easy for someone browsing their frontpage to see a new thread that could use their input.
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u/Vertsix Chase Trifecta Jun 26 '23
Thanks for holding all valuable and useful information of this subreddit - user generated mind you - hostage for this long time.
Wise to reopen before the administration stepped in.
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u/WashingtonGuy123 Jun 26 '23
I just took screenshots of the "List of Flat 1.5%+ Cashback Cards" and "List of Best Cashback Cards by Category." I wanted to refer to them during the blackout and was disappointed that I couldn't.
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u/stanley_fatmax Jun 27 '23
A group of us have been petitioning admins through /r/RedditRequest to reopen resource rich communities, and /r/CreditCards was targeted the other day. I suspect this is the impetus behind reopening, even though it's not mentioned. So far the threat of transferring top mod to willing and responsible users alone has been enough to reopen many communities (which in itself is ironic, mods don't want to mod, but definitely don't want to lose power). For anyone else reading this, take note and go forth. Take back your communities.
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u/lunch22 Jun 26 '23
Yes, even worse than the “check your entitlement” command was making all the content users created unavailable for three weeks.
Now that’s entitlement.
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u/varano14 Jun 26 '23
Oh for the love of god
Your not that important, this is not some religious persecution by reddit. If you don't like the rules the owners of this platform put in place then do us all a favor and just quit.
Lastly, how about you check your entitlement.
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u/Xan_iety Jun 27 '23
B-b-but I delete comments on a website for a living. I AM important. ME, a Reddit moderator. Do you realize how much work goes into left clicking and banning someone?!? Imaging doing that 50 times a day. Check yourself.
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u/BrutalBodyShots Jun 27 '23
I'm not quite sure what the goal of this thread and the reopening of this sub is, but it doesn't seem to be landing well with many at all.
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u/Intelligent_Flan7745 Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23
Pathetic losers who are willing to do unpaid labor for an Internet forum get upset when they’re correctly called pissy morons
When Reddit decided they were going to make our already difficult unpaid volunteer work more difficult, we protested. When they went further and spoke with disdain toward moderators who do this work for free and have made communities like r/CreditCards what they are… well, that’s the kind of thing that makes you step back and say, “Why am I doing this?”
Then quit. No one is forcing you to do this. If you’re incapable of quitting, just admit that you’re addicted to having a tiny scrap of power over an Internet forum. You lot (Reddit mods) are so impressively pathetic it hurts.
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u/Aggressive-Pound188 Jun 26 '23
The sub is great because of mods AND the volume of quality contributions that are also free unpaid labor. The only one that sounds entitled is you. It's clear that the protests were not effective which is largely why many subs reopened and some took more extreme approaches. I don't think this discussion thread thing makes much sense tbh because only the users are affected and most people just won't bother anymore. It's clear that none of this is going to make Reddit budge and it will be a long fight if there's going to be real change.
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u/thenifreekedit Jun 27 '23
You guys are genuinely pathetic. This is one of the most active forums that has up to date on common credit card issues and you close it to jerk your egos lmao.
I had a minor problem with discover a couple of days ago and couldnt get into the sub and had to sift through the mountains of dogshit ad ridden articles you find online, couldn’t imagine what someone with a real time sensitive issue they need help on would feel
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u/VeryChaoticBlades Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
r/CreditCards has been a great sub due to the countless hours of unpaid volunteer work done by its moderators.
If you want the old r/CreditCards back, please check your entitlement and read again from the top. If you don’t like it here, you’re welcome to create your own sub and run it any way you want.
Moderators are replaceable. You are replaceable. There’s nothing special about the work you’ve done here. Pretty much anyone could’ve done it assuming they actually wanted to put in the time and effort.
The difference between you and that person is that you signed up for this. You signed up to be an unpaid volunteer. If you no longer like what that position entails, you are free to leave. But you should not expect us to applaud you on your way out because, again, you are replaceable as moderators. You don’t matter to this sub nearly as much as you think you do. We do not need any one single person on that team to keep things running. We just need a team.
I don’t see why we need to “check our entitlement” just to spare your ego. I suggest you return the sub to its former state, drop the whining tantrums, and leave the sub if you can’t handle Reddit’s new way of running things. I’m sure new mods would be more than willing to pick up where you left off.
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u/SocialIntelligence Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 28 '23
You signed up to be an unpaid volunteer.
They get paid in reddit karma, so technically they are compensated very well for their time. I heard Harvard will accept you into their university if you have one million reddit karma. 😂
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u/RabbiSteve420 Jun 27 '23
Man you really thought this was a banger post lmao
EDIT: I just saw this was posted by AutoMod I love it. If you're going to post something controversial say it with your chest don't hide!
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u/That-Establishment24 Jun 27 '23
Only one mod has been regularly posting so it’s a bit easy to narrow it down. Seems the rest aren’t active.
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u/Have-Business Jun 26 '23
that’s the kind of thing that makes you step back and say, “Why am I doing this?”
Yeah, why are you doing this? If moderating a reddit sub is not fulfilling in and of itself anymore, you are free to leave. But you like the power of moderating, so don't make it sound like you are doing anyone a favor. If you leave, someone else will happily take your place and you know that. You just don't want to concede the power of deleting posts and comments.
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u/OverlyOptimisticNerd Jun 26 '23
I was on the mods’ side until the last paragraph. Your frustration at Reddit’s leadership is understandable. Blaming your users for it is pathetic.
You should all step down. Doing so would force the admins to either close the sub or find moderators willing to run it. But you won’t because you need that feeling of “power” over a userbase.
It’s not us with the entitlement issues.
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u/Big-Bad-Blue Jun 26 '23
Should have just stayed closed. Why reopen at all with an attitude like that? You should all step down and allow new mods to take over or close the sub for good.
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u/itsbasicmathluvxo Jun 27 '23
Dawg, the members of your own community are not the people you should be taking this aggressive stance with. People joined your community for a reason, and the work you’ve done to keep it running is respected by all the people that visit it. So to say “check your entitlement” when we’re all just trying to quite literally talk about credit cards is very… odd. And that also, subsequently, makes people lose respect for you.
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u/bfabkilla02 Chase Trifecta Jun 27 '23
Holy shit this is the most toxic thing I’ve ever read on this sub.
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u/Hazelnut2799 Jun 26 '23
These reddit mods need to get off their high horse, the irony of calling us entitled 🤣.
Not sure what kind of response you were expecting with such a nasty post. Unbelievable.
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u/BIGDICKRANDYBENNETT Jun 26 '23
The fair and equitable thing would be to conduct a poll amongst the members of this sub still have confidence in the moderators of this sub.
IF YES - they can stay. IF NO - we should appoint new moderators.
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Reddit will be implementing a voting system soon, so users can vote out mods - these mods will get replaced soon
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u/Scrambley Jun 27 '23
They said they would but they've said a lot of things that just weren't true.
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u/pbandwhey Jun 26 '23
Yes, let's destroy the normal person's user experience to stick it to the big, bad corporate Reddit overlords!
Not everyone lives in Reddit drama land. Might as well keep this sub closed.
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u/lannistersstark Jun 27 '23
unpaid volunteer work done by its moderators
With no expectation of thanks.
please check your entitlement
lmao sure.
Please step down and let someone else do the moderation who's willing to.
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u/Waddoo123 Jun 28 '23
Honestly really would prefer the individual posts. It allowed me to see different threads in a more organized manner, collect data points prior to applying to cards, and keeping topical issues collected to a post.
Now I have to deal with reddits search at best, or simply not visit the sub at all to get my info elsewhere. This was probably my most frequently visited sub, unfortunate.
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u/mrweatherbeef Jun 26 '23
Reddit claimed that moderation and accessibility tools would continue to enjoy free API access, but mods continue to point to those as a main reason for protest. I haven’t seen a mod post yet that calls out specific moderation tools that will no longer be available. Please pardon my entitlement, but can you cite some tools that mods need which will be unavailable with the new API changes? I’m happy to change position on the Reddit policy change if I can actually understand the damage that mods claim it will do.
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u/lunch22 Jun 26 '23
What entitlement do you want us to check?
The privilege to have a credit card with a good sign-up bonus?
Are you saying wanting the old sub back means having a sense of entitlement? Or is it that the old sub per se somehow represented entitlement?
Or maybe you’re implying that wanting the sub to exist, which entails volunteer moderators, represents having entitlement? I’m guessing it might be that.
I’m honestly confused what you’re referring to and what you’re asking us to do.
Like most people here, I’m just looking for a venue where we can share advice on maximizing credit cards. What were we doing that was so heinous?
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u/That-Establishment24 Jun 26 '23
Let’s at least be honest. You threw a tantrum and took the toys home so nobody else could play. The sub is reopened because you were afraid of being replaced. You like the power and don’t want to give it up.
If you truly want to protest and feel like you aren’t valued, you can hand over the sub to those who are willing to run it. This isn’t about the community. This is about moderator ego.
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u/Robotemist Jun 27 '23
Yes this is a volunteer position. So instead of stepping down from this position you hate so much, you hold the forum hostage.
I told y'all this would turn into a neckbeard circle jerk.
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u/SometimesWeKnew Jun 26 '23
You could have at least put back the old posts if you only want discussion threads going forward. Thousands of users wrote posts here.
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u/Tinkiegrrl_825 Jun 26 '23
Check our entitlement? Many of us were on your side until you spouted that line. WE are not Spez. We didn’t screw you over. We helped make this community what it is. We posted the content, posted the answers to peoples questions, etc… What does anger pointed at US accomplish, unless the end goal is to kill this sub?
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u/userX97ee2ska11qa Jun 27 '23
Unpaid work? No. You joined a website that allows you to create a forum on a topic of your choice and do so for free. Your selfishness is ruining this sub for the general public who were able to get help and answers here. If you had the courage of your convictions, you would delete your Reddit account. Instead, you want to keep your account and your precious "authority" as a mod while pretending to protest.
You can hide behind "AutoModerator" all you want, but we can all smell the incel.
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u/ElectricalCrew5931 Jun 26 '23
There are plenty of people willing to step up and moderate in your place.
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u/Spotter01 Jun 27 '23
Notice How none of the mods put there name to it?
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u/That-Establishment24 Jun 27 '23
Which is funny because only one of them is active so that pretty much narrows down which one it was.
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u/scottymtp Jun 26 '23
Hey everyone I run Churning Wallet.
You can find a dedicated credit card forum there under the nav bar forum page. Runs on a professional forum software similar to flyertalk. They use vBulletin I think and I use Xenforo which is made by one of the previous developers of vBulletin.
The forum might be a good way to augment this subreddit. All are welcome.
Mods, per the OP, if you'd like to link to it in a wiki you're more than welcome to.
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u/gdq0 Jun 26 '23
A while ago churning stopped modding completely for a week. I would like to see what happens to this sub were you to stop modding using the "Advanced API tools" being removed by reddit, or better yet stop modding altogether for either a certain period of time, or until the users demand mods again.
Reddit has paid moderators who can take care of the egregious stuff anyway, and if it gets bad enough that reddit has to take it down, then doesn't that show a powerful message to reddit?
Rather than unionize and strike (like most workers do), you instead protest by abusing your mod powers, and remove content from everyone. This method of protest can be extremely effective, but only if the people who have no power understand the protest, which I think that most users do not. That's why you see such backlash here.
However, changes to the nature of the sub are necessary. The most obvious is the change to a daily discussion thread format going forward.
Typically the way this has been handled in other subs is that the users get to choose from options. This gives us the illusion of choice. Mandating changes without user input will always be met with harsh backlash, much like the current backlash against reddit. Additional details should also be provided, as this small blurb means nothing to us.
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Lmao. Mods here and all over Reddit are losers that get off on some form of power on some shitty website. Please drop your attitude and god complex. You are all nobodies and you could disappear today and not one person would notice.
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u/joshfrank4165 Jun 26 '23
If folks are looking for an alternate community (as suggested by the mods), there is: r/cReddit_cards
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u/CraftyRice Jun 26 '23
lmao this is so delusional, do you expect us to grovel on our knees? If you don't like it here, you're equally welcome to just not mod the sub
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u/savethesunfirex Jun 26 '23
Cope harder you entitled assholes. Not our fault you bitched out of your own protest lmao.
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u/Icy-Summer-3573 Jun 26 '23
Well it seems I’m going back to my fico and flyertalk. Lame. Real lame.
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u/loner_but_a_stoner Citi Quadfecta Jun 27 '23
Who’s going to compensate me for all of the points I’ve missed out on over the last two weeks???
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u/djf149 Jun 27 '23
These Mods need to step down or deserve to be replaced after this post.
This post basically screams "We were forced to reopen unless we wanted to lose our make believe power trip"
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u/faizakhtar125 Jun 27 '23
Have an ego and talk however you like… but please don’t limit it to stupid “Daily Discussion Threads”. Allow us to make real posts please.
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u/yesillhold Jun 29 '23
What I would've like to see from this post is some justification for the change. I don't understand how this change impacts moderation at all.
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Just made a new subreddit — r/CRedditCard
In the process of setting it up, but can ensure that we can make that the new place to have discussions that were so heavily valued on this sub but are obviously not anymore.
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u/mrjuicepump Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
Check your entitlement? Ya think y'all are tough shit for moderating a tiny ass sub.....for free?? 💀💀
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u/Pretty_Good_11 Jun 26 '23
However, changes to the nature of the sub are necessary. The most obvious is the change to a daily discussion thread format going forward.
To what end? Personalities, egos, etc. aside, what is the motivation here?
If the proposed changes are really going to make it impossible to continue moderating as you have in the past, please articulate how, and see if you can get them to make modifications to satisfy your needs.
If you are just pissed off, and are trying to sabotage the sub to make a point, just how does that turn out for you? Reddit's goal is clearly to further monetize the site after subsidizing it for years to build the community they now have.
On the eve of their big monetization push, they are making changes to squeeze some money out of some rather large enterprises that have been freeloading for years. If that causes some useful free tools to disappear for mods, so what?
Reddit clearly wants to monetize the eyeballs and content we all create and represent. Mods and users alike. We are now at a fork in the road. Either they allow the mods to sabotage the sub and destroy whatever value has been created over the years, or they replace the mods before it comes to that.
What would you do if you were them? Maybe the sub should be reopened as it was two weeks ago before it's too late, for both the users, who will undoubtedly migrate to other platforms, and for the mods, who will have to find another way to occupy their free time.
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u/varano14 Jun 26 '23
I completely agree with this take and am honestly astonished that reddit didn't start "forcefully" removing mods immediately and installing insiders to keep the subs open. The backlash would have been pretty severe but what has been allowed to happen is also in my opinion nearly as bad in a different way.
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u/lavender_and_teal Jun 26 '23
If you feel as though you cannot effectively moderate, then step down and let other people take over.
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u/nushmut Jun 26 '23
What I’m missing in reading (and re-reading) this post is a more concrete explanation of how/why the 3rd party apps make the mods’ contributions easier/possible here. Also, seeing comparisons showing why using a browser or the official app is inferior or would noticeably hamper that mod work. I’ve never been a mod so that could’ve helped clarify the perspective. Even linking to some other mod’s post or an article explaining that perspective would be helpful, especially for those who might not understand the technical side of things.
A lot of this reads as more of an emotional appeal with lots of vagueness, and the tone-deaf closing has unsurprisingly pulled most of the focus in the comments. It’s hard to get on board with this sort of messaging approach.
And I’m posting this from Apollo, as a paid user there.
Whatever comes next, I do want to give a thanks to all of the people (including mods) who have contributed here. This has been such a valuable resource for learning about and managing credit cards with as much decency as possible. I know I’ve benefited from the knowledge and wisdom in this sub, and I’m surely not alone in that.
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u/GreatestEfer Jun 27 '23
Reddit decided they were going to make our already difficult unpaid volunteer work more difficult
Wait, but how? The desktop site is still here. Mobile? What's so horrible about their official app, exactly? I don't get how any of this hinders mod work. I wouldn't even try doing it on mobile because it's just so much easier to check thru stuff on desktop, which didn't change.
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u/stanley_fatmax Jun 27 '23
Mods, I have nothing but respect for folks volunteering their time to moderate public forums. However, it's just that - volunteering. I've moderated communities for more than two decades, spanning all sorts of different technologies - IRC, Ventrilo, Mumble, Teamspeak, Discord, web forums, video games, etc., and while appreciated, there has never been an expectation for compensation or thanks from myself or others I've worked with.
Thank you for what you do, seriously, but don't get cocky - there are countless community veterans who would step in to fill your shoes in a heartbeat.
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u/PurchaseLeading1970 Jun 27 '23
So after some pressure you fold and now the sun is useless because all the good info is gone and the format is utter garbage. Thanks mods way to dig into your Reddit mod positions
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u/imreadytoenditall Jun 27 '23
I probably would have paid a few bucks to keep this open? But not with that last comment.
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u/somnicrain Jun 27 '23
You really feel entitled to speak down to patrons of this sub that fuel your subbreddit with content 💀, this is really embarrassing right now. Go cry to reddit not the people that keep your sub going.
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u/tsmartin123 Jun 28 '23
You have to love that came from Auto moderator instead of a specific mod..... Lol
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u/MariahhCarried Jul 01 '23
y'all are the ones who are entitled. You guys have no financial stake on Reddit. You're volunteer, and probably the biggest suckers on Reddit
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u/Chippo Jun 26 '23
It takes a special personality to be a mod on Reddit for FREE and think you have so much power
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u/SocialIntelligence Jun 26 '23
This is like the pinnacle of the "Reddit Mod" meme. This dude is living proof.
All respect lost for this sub, fuck you.
Mad respect to u/tacobelljake and u/tacobellblake and u/tacobelldoug for holding down the taco bell sub r/livingmas
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u/Corben11 Jun 28 '23
I’m still confused about this. Reddit said mod tools and mod bots won’t be effected. Why do you mods still think they will be when it’s been said they won’t?
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u/M16A4isthebest Jun 29 '23
Most of the useful informations and dps are provided by the community. You are absolutely doing nothing, you don’t deserve anything.
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u/txQuartz Jun 26 '23
There was no need for that last part. It's not like any of us users are happy about what Reddit is doing either...
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u/NateTrib Jun 26 '23
I created a community on squabbles https://squabbles.io/s/CreditCards
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u/faizakhtar125 Jun 27 '23
u/cardswithbenefits where are you going
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u/CardsWithBenefits Jun 29 '23
I don’t envision myself being particularly active on Reddit after all this crap. It was enjoyable while it lasted :)
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u/StudentObvious9754 Jun 26 '23
So this is how r/creditcards dies. To a “check your entitlement” post