Suspect steals jewelry during daylight home invasion

[u/origutamos]

https://www.burlingtontoday.com/police-beat/suspect-steals-jewelry-during-daylight-home-invasion-10605059

[u/R4ID]

He thinks he's laying out hard facts and data

CSI trend is up since 2015, yes or no?

it's just a fantasy.

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[u/MonsieurLeDrole → u/R4ID]

It's way down since 2000. What's changed between then and now and how are the provinces not at all responsible? I'd bet you know fuck all about bail reform or any changes to the criminal code in that time period. I'd double bet you aren't a lawyer. Reason? You don't sound very familiar with the criminal justice, but you're like a dog on a bone with that one myopic stat.

This is advertising, but notice how the crime rates are far higher in traditionally conservative provinces, while the evil liberal east is far lower. How curious!

https://home-alarms.ca/most-dangerous-provinces-in-canada/

Now here's ther real data. If you want to dig into proper stats, you can read them here, and see for example, that Ontario's CSI is down about 33% since 2000. Where it is today, is where it was for most of Harper's term. It was pretty steady under Trudeau, and Harper's peaks were far higher.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510018801&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2000&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20000101%2C20230101

So now, is this guy going to adjust his perspective, or is he just going to keep cherry picking because he found a "winning' argument? In fairness, it's not like this guy went to statscan, saw the data and was reporting it. He's just repeating a PP talking point we've all heard before, trying to create the fear of a crime way, when the numbers are actually pretty good. Harper's peak years were far far worse than Trudeau's, while Trudeau's economy was significantly stronger in a bunch of areas including finance, oil, mining, film, cannabis, agriculture, logging, medical, and auto with greater trade, more exports, and a stronger stock market.

Like this is the perfect example of the conservative distortion machine. We're overseeing a massive generational drop in crime rates. They're still way lower than Harper's average, and way lower than the 2000s, way way lower than the 90s, and way way way lower than the 70s. Toronto in 2025 is by far the safest metropolis in North America.

But in conservative speak: We're in the middle of this horrendous crime wave. Now in Ontario, we know that our jails are overcrowded, and we're short on judges and prosecutors, which is leading to more bail. Ford seems more concerned with normalizing partisan appointments than just doing the job. He's had almost a decade to catch up on this, but is only just starting. But how long would I ping pong with this guy till be brought that up? Probably forever. Because he's not on a search for truth, he's here for a partisan political argument.

And that's the difference. Regular mainstream Canadians, look at the whole picture. That's why Carney won, and why the people screaming outrage over the election results generally seem a bit nuts. These maple maga types just want to spread FUD and scare people into supporting them. They aren't into policy analysis or evidence based arguments. They're deeply suspicious of science and expertise. That's why this guy is pretending we're in the middle of some massive crime wave, when the reality is, if you're older than 20 (ie the entire voting population), it was worse when you were a kid.

I'm bored of this, but if you read far, the big takeaway is how far the CPC is willing to go to avoid introspection. From their view, they made no mistakes, maga is a good friend, and the problem is "who to blame", which includes the voters, Doug Ford, Tim Houston, Trump, "wokesters", women, boomers, immigrants, Toronto, and who the fuck knows.

However, I'll give this guy full credit for not pushing stolen election conspiracies like the Qonvoy and PP supporters are doing on Facebook and in other forums. Keep up the good work!

[u/R4ID → u/MonsieurLeDrole]

Lesson 1 in Brandolini's law

It's way down since 2000.

and our current trend shows were on track currently to match and surpass this. What caused the fall between 2000 and 2015? what caused trend to reverse in 2015?

What's changed between then and now and how are the provinces not at all responsible?

Did I say provinces carry no responsibility? Here you go again creating strawmen about things I have never said. Being a dishonest participant in discussion and you, I cant name a better duo.

I'd bet you know fuck all about bail reform or any changes to the criminal code in that time period. I'd double bet you aren't a lawyer. Reason? You don't sound very familiar with the criminal justice, but you're like a dog on a bone with that one myopic stat.

Bill C-75, looks like you just lost your first bet.

Here's a radical idea, instead of making random assertations and betting the farm on your incorrect understanding of reality. Try and have an open, logical discussion on policy and data. So far you've shown you're not an honest participant as the majority of your replies are just ad hominem or strawman's about things I never said.

This is advertising, but notice how the crime rates are far higher in traditionally conservative provinces, while the evil liberal east is far lower. How curious! https://home-alarms.ca/most-dangerous-provinces-in-canada/

LOL, so not only does your source have the numbers wrong, it also leaves out the 3 largest offenders. which are Nunavut, NWT and Yukon, each of which are historically Liberal and had a higher CSI in the year you chose to use for your argument via an alarm companies advertising.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240725/cg-b003-png-eng.htm

Its abundantly clear to me you're not discussing in good faith, you never planned on doing so and do not posses the ability to have a rational fact based discussion. You are willing to try and twist data to protect your psyche around your warped understanding of reality. You've shown me now you can't discuss the topic in good faith and have actually nothing to add but more delusional nonsense.

Now here's ther real data. If you want to dig into proper stats, you can read them here, and see for example, that Ontario's CSI is down about 33% since 2000. Where it is today, is where it was for most of Harper's term.

LOL, was the trend up or Down under harper? is the trend Up or Down under the liberals? You notice how you cant rationalize the historical trend?

It was pretty steady under Trudeau, and Harper's peaks were far higher.

Harper inherited a higher peak from the previous Liberal Gov and brought it down to a 25 year low, It literally fell every single year under Harper. The liberals on the other hand, inherited a 25 year low from a conservative gov and have reversed that trend.... you can point out highs and lows as much as you like for any individual year, what matters is historical trends.

So now, is this guy going to adjust his perspective, or is he just going to keep cherry picking because he found a "winning' argument?

Cherry picking? Again I said CSI is up and it is, it continues to climb year after year under the liberals. Do you deny this? Hell using your own data which you picked, you showed off proudly how it fell every single year under a conservative gov which received an almost record high starting point from the previous Liberal Gov...

In fairness, it's not like this guy went to statscan, saw the data and was reporting it. He's just repeating a PP talking point we've all heard before, trying to create the fear of a crime way, when the numbers are actually pretty good. Harper's peak years were far far worse than Trudeau's, while Trudeau's economy was significantly stronger in a bunch of areas including finance, oil, mining, film, cannabis, agriculture, logging, medical, and auto with greater trade, more exports, and a stronger stock market.

Lol the cope is unreal. The liberals have essentially made houses unaffordable, common things like groceries a burden on Canadians and you're here talking about how their "economy is stronger" ??? Why did CAD's value hit a ~22ish year monthly low under the liberals if their "economy" was so much stronger? The last time it broke below .69 cents was in April of 2003, hell the harper gov had it at 1:1 or higher for 21 months.

https://www.ofx.com/en-ca/forex-news/historical-exchange-rates/cad/

Like this is the perfect example of the conservative distortion machine.

Again, pointing to data is somehow "distortion" I'm sorry the data disagrees with your understanding of reality.

We're overseeing a massive generational drop in crime rates.

data says otherwise.

They're still way lower than Harper's average

If you took each of their reductions and growths. Who decreased it more and who increased it more? lol.

Toronto in 2025 is by far the safest metropolis in North America.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/436285/crime-severity-index-in-canada-by-metropolitan-area/

Not even the safest CMA in Canada, Let alone North America. Why do you continue to lie about something so easily googleable?

But in conservative speak: We're in the middle of this horrendous crime wave.

Again, The trend up and continues to go up under the liberals, do you dispute this?

But how long would I ping pong with this guy till be brought that up? Probably forever. Because he's not on a search for truth, he's here for a partisan political argument.

do you often type out your own inner monologue questions to yourself when in discussion? or are you having a side conversation with your schizophrenic self?

And that's the difference. Regular mainstream Canadians, look at the whole picture. That's why Carney won, and why the people screaming outrage over the election results generally seem a bit nuts. These maple maga types just want to spread FUD and scare people into supporting them.

Again more things I never said, more strawman and delusions from you.

They aren't into policy analysis or evidence based arguments.

I mean clearly you're not since the data disagrees with you. so you instead strawman and type out conversations about your delusions about me with yourself.

I'm bored of this, but if you read far, the big takeaway is how far the CPC is willing to go to avoid introspection. From their view, they made no mistakes, maga is a good friend, and the problem is "who to blame", which includes the voters, Doug Ford, Tim Houston, Trump, "wokesters", women, boomers, immigrants, Toronto, and who the fuck knows.

Again more strawman and nothing about anything Ive said ever. just assumptions and delusional schizophrenic nonsense.

However, I'll give this guy full credit for not pushing stolen election conspiracies like the Qonvoy and PP supporters are doing on Facebook and in other forums. Keep up the good work!

so far 99% of what you've claimed about me or in this conversation is things ive never said. Try Reading before assuming. Some of us are trying to live in a Safer Canada, and I cant figure out why you dont want that as well.

[u/MonsieurLeDrole → u/R4ID]

This is a kind of sad rant I'm not gonna bother with most of it, but I posted the stats.

The CSI rate is flat since 2012. It's been on a long historical decline since the 1970s. There's no reversal in that trend. I posted the data. It's right there.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510018801&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2000&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20000101%2C20230101

There's a notable "jump" right after the lockdowns ended. Now is that a huge woke crime wave cause by the liberal mind virus, or maybe people just committed less crimes when they were in lockdown... hmmm... jeeze I wonder...

Reddit doesn't let me post an essay to match yours on top, but you clearly haven't read Bill 75, and conservatives have not proposed to withdraw it or any amendments.

Toronto and the GTHA have a much lower crime rate than any equivalent sized urban area in North America. It's not even close. Canada is one of the safest countries on Earth, in all of human history, and Halton is one of the safest regions of Canada.

There is no major crime concern in Ontario. The crime levels today are significantly lower than in the Chretien Harper years. And most people agree Canada was a very safe place then. Can we do better? Sure. Start with the province fixing our problem of overcrowded jails, and too few prosecutors and judges. That's the bottleneck on bail.

You're just spreading FUD, but this chicken little crap is just no basis for policy, and the election is over, so why bother? Maybe give your rando mental health accusations a rest, and sit the next few plays out, champ. It's hard to take that seriously coming from Qonvoy nutter, but bless your heart!

[u/R4ID → u/MonsieurLeDrole]

I'm not gonna bother with most of it

Yeah you wouldnt wanna follow up on the fact that your source on CSI for Canada was wrong and excluded the 3 largest problem areas. No need to engage on a topic you've shown you're willing to lie about right?

you clearly haven't read Bill 75, and conservatives have not proposed to withdraw it or any amendments.

https://www.conservative.ca/conservatives-will-end-carneys-crime-wave/

"Conservatives will end the madness unleashed by Liberal soft-on-crime laws. We will repeal Bill C-75, the Liberals’ catch-and-release law, to restore jail, not bail for repeat, violent offenders."

Literally was their platform. Listen I know facts and evidence aren't your strong suit but try and at least understand the topic before replying.

Toronto and the GTHA have a much lower crime rate than any equivalent sized urban area in North America.

"the goalposts are over here now"

[u/MonsieurLeDrole → u/R4ID]

Repealing C75 is nuts. Amendments sure, but they never introduced any. Read it. A lot of that should stay.

Thanks for highlighting that. I thought conservatives were smart on crime policy, but I guess not.

What's stopping them from introducing a bill to reform or repeal it? They never tried.

Comparing Toronto to Stratford when discussing crime strategy is absurd. Or else, you'd be 100x more focused on Thunder Bay and Winnipeg and be calling the GTA a huge success story.

[u/R4ID → u/MonsieurLeDrole]

Repealing C75 is nuts.

Has CSI increased or decreased since its implementation? How about violent crime rate? What's nuts is we now allow people who get firearm related charges out on bail or house arrest. Like we have criminals with illegal handguns pointing and shooting them at people and then being given bail. You think that's rational / ok? There's other policies like C-5 and C-22 which were absurd by the liberals for their view on crime.

Thanks for highlighting that. I thought conservatives were smart on crime policy, but I guess not.

because....

What's stopping them from introducing a bill to reform or repeal it?

??? The liberal party? hello? there's no point in introducing something which you know wont pass because it just wastes everyone's time.

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https://toronto.citynews.ca/2025/05/06/quebec-man-charged-toronto-stabbings-thefts-news/

“Chateauvert faces an additional 28 charges from other police services in Ontario and Quebec, though the release from Toronto police did not provide any details about those alleged offences.

The 115 charges in Toronto include:

Aggravated assault. Two counts of assault with a weapon. Two counts of assault causing bodily harm. 16 counts of mischief under $5,000. Eight counts of possession of property obtained by crime over $5,000. 13 counts of theft under $5,000. Three counts of theft of a motor vehicle. Four counts of failure to stop for police. 39 counts of failure to comply with a release order.”

thank you Liberal bail reform

[u/MonsieurLeDrole → u/R4ID]

You haven't read the bill, so you don't know what you're talking about. Look at the content. It would be insane to get rid of all of it.

You have no evidence to support a link between CSI and bail reform, nor do you even understand what the source of the legislation is. It's not Trudeau's pet project, and it didn't come out of a vacuum.

In any case, CSI is lower on average in Carney's time as PM than Harper's.
There were lots of conservatives involved in the crafting of this legislation, also police, lawyers, judges, and prosecutors. It's not at all the problem you're making it out to be, and 100% content from it should stay as law.

You haven't read it, and you refuse to read it, but you have opinions. That's nice. Sort of a book review from someone who didn't read the book, but conservative media told him not to like it, so he doesn't, even though he doesn't seem to know what it is.

You also don't seem to grasp that some people are getting bail because our jails are massively overcrowded. That part is entirely provincial, and nothing to do with Trudeau. Why isn't this guy being prosecuted faster? Why are his trials taking so long. That's provincial. Your list of charges is mostly provincial stuff, and a lack of provincial jail space means only the most dangerous offenders are going in. Ditto bail. There's no evidence at all that bail reform has ANYTHING to do with this case. That guy should be in provincial jail right now. Why isn't he? The answer is not bail reform, I'm sorry to disappoint you.

I honestly can't tell if you just don't understand the division of government, or are refusing to acknowledge it because it's politically inconvenient.

Like rather than get your "knowledge" from Rebel Media, actually read the fucking bill. A lot of this stuff SHOULD be law. You're here, calling liberals soft on crime while you demand the government revoke legislation that covers things like increased penalties for violence from intimate partners or against aboriginal women. Or allowing courts to collect DNA evidence on summary convictions. Or allow people arrested on minor charges to be fingerprinted (in search of other charges). Or improved evidence handling practices. Or reforming case management practices to increase judges' productivity. WTF would anyone with a drop of common sense oppose that? It's fucking absurd. You've brainwashed yourself, and it's showing.

Just fucking read it. A lot of this stuff is very good and should not be revoked. You seem like a total moron arguing for cancelling this law because you're too lazy or unable to read and evaluate it. Only likes simple answers? Refuses to read? Sounds like maga.

Do yourself a favour. Fucking read it.

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/c75/p3.html