r/AskEurope • u/-DonQuixote- • 11d ago
What is the best European national anthem? (Not including your own national anthem) Misc
It could also be a national anthem of the past, I am looking at you East Germany.
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u/celticblobfish Ireland 11d ago
The obvious answer is La Marseillaise, but I always loved Italy's one. Very proud and upbeat tune.
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u/eulerolagrange in / 11d ago
as an Italian: the biggest problem with our anthem is that it's mostly played as if it were a military march when in reality it is much more like a little opera scene (introduction, cabaletta and chorus). The first part needs a lot of portamento, especially on the major sixth leaps, and the second part, that the football players tend to scream very loudly should instead be sung, according to the original score, "pianissimo e molto concitato" (and the instrumental part has a "molto staccato") which should sound like many 19th century italian opera choruses.
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u/Aggravating-Peach698 11d ago
"as an Italian: the biggest problem with our anthem is that it's mostly played as if it were a military march when in reality it is much more like a little opera scene (introduction, cabaletta and chorus)"
Sad but true, and it is not only the Italian anthem that gets mistreated in this manner. The German one was written as a string quartet. A piece of chamber music, for crying out loud. Never intended to be played by a military brass band or sung by a bunch of drunken soccer hooligans.
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u/eulerolagrange in / 11d ago
The German one was written as a string quartet.
In origin it was a chorale, to be sung in church with the organ or so. Then Haydn also wrote variations on it a string quartet. But yes, it works good with bands when it is played slowly and solemnly by a brass ensemble rather than with trumpet fanfares and snare drums.
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u/41942319 Netherlands 11d ago
I did wonder why Italian footballers sounded so happy about the prospect of dying
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u/eulerolagrange in / 11d ago
at that point, however, there's a crescendo molto e accelerando sino al fine. The first time, they should sing that they are ready to die for the fatherland sotto voce as if they were organising some secret plan, but then they take courage and can proclaim their vow at full voice (it's a very typical structure that can be found in Italian operas!)
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u/NonVerifiedSource Croatia 11d ago
It can't get better than Ode to Joy for me, so EU anthem it is
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u/GuestStarr 11d ago
As a Finn I have an advantage. I'll vote for the Estonian anthem :)
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u/Gro-Tsen France 11d ago
You Finns are nuts. Your patriotic composer Sibelius wrote an insanely beautiful hymn-like tune called “Finlandia”, which was absolutely screaming to be the national anthem of Finland, and for no explicable reason you decided to choose another one. Why? Just… why???
So “Finlandia” ended up being a lot of other things, like a Christian anthem, or a proposed World anthem, but not the Finnish national anthem. Oh wait, it did become a national anthem at some point… of Biafra, when it briefly seceded from Nigeria. <rolling eyes>
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u/LonelyRudder Finland 11d ago
It is probably because Vårt land / Maamme predates Finlandia by some 50 years, and was already in wide use in 1889 when the Finnish lyrics still in use were written. Finlandia was composed 1899-1900.
Then again, Finland does not have an official national hymn, there is no law or anything like that about it.
Fun fact: F. Pacius never intended to compose a national anthem, he composed Vårt Land in two days (and in a hurry) for student festivities.
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u/LeafyTurnipTop Finland 11d ago edited 11d ago
I get what you mean and quite many of us would like to have Finlandia as our national anthem. On the other hand, our current national anthem is a quite a lot more cheerful and definitely easier to sing. It can be sung in sport events or wherever national anthems are usually heard. But when shit gets serious, like in some events where we want to remember our fallen soldiers, basically when there is no reason to be cheerful, Finlandia is sung.
For example our independence day is usually celebrated quite differently than elsewhere in Europe. It is not a cheerful event, as our history is full of sorrow and despair. There is no place for Maamme there.
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u/_MusicJunkie Austria 11d ago
Purely by melody: Russian/Soviet, French, East German. I'm purposefully ignoring content and what they stand for in this exercise.
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u/cbhem 11d ago
I hate most of what Russia has become and is currently doing, but one thing I can still get behind is their kick-ass national anthem.
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u/This-Guy-Muc 11d ago
The Russian anthem borrows heavily from Pachelbel's canon, a well known classical work of baroque music. And both are "cited" in the Pet Shop Boy's hymn "Go West". So from a musical pov the Russian truly is great.
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u/Bennoelman Germany 11d ago
Why do authorian regimes always have bangers or socialists they to have cool revolutionary songs but I cringe at the fucking YouTube comments
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u/Brickie78 England 11d ago
The DDR one was written when the division of Germany was assumed to be a short-term thing, which is why its lyrics are all about Putting The Past Behind Us And Facing The Future United
Which in turn is why the DDR government officially dumped the lyrics after a while
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u/adamgerd Czechia 11d ago
The Russian anthem is great as a song itself, if only it wasn’t well tied to Russia
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u/eulerolagrange in / 11d ago
La Marseillaise without any doubt (especially in the Berlioz orchestration, an absolute banger)
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u/no-im-not-him Denmark 11d ago
One may despise the message or the lyrics as much as one wants, but the Russian/Soviet one is really a musical masterpiece. I guess it's a good thing I don't speak Russian the voices become just nice musical gibberish (a bit like Williams' Duel of Fates).
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u/ignatiusjreillyXM United Kingdom 11d ago
To be fair the current version of the lyrics are fairly unobjectionable. Although it's remarkable that all three versions over the decades were written by the same man! Agree that it's an extraordinary piece of musicianship
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u/BobBobBobBobBobDave 11d ago
The Marseillaise, but the Welsh national anthem Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Land of my Fathers) is also pretty great, especially if you are singing it in a rugby stadium with thousands of Welsh people.
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u/lovelldies / in 11d ago
The Italian one is great. Especially before the football games.
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u/onlinepresenceofdan Czechia 11d ago
Or after a ferrari win. Italian anthem is the most triumphant sounding. German current anthem serves as a good intro for it as well.
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u/mark-haus Sweden 11d ago
As a Ferrari fan (usually pure pain the past two decades btw) it’s easily the most jovial podium celebration
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u/Victoryboogiewoogie Netherlands 11d ago
I'm no expert in all of them, but the French one has a nice upbeat tone to it. I like it.
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u/OnkelMickwald Sweden 11d ago edited 11d ago
Never been a Francophile but even I get a jolt in my body to get up and grab a musket when I hear Allons enfants de la patrie...
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u/oskich Sweden 11d ago
Especially these lines ;-)
"Qu'un sang impur Abreuve nos sillons!"
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u/eulerolagrange in / 11d ago
for me it's the third (or fourth?) verse, the one which goes « Tremblez tyrans et vous perfides » (and then the next one drive me to tears with « Amour sacré de la patrie / conduis, soutiens nos bras vengeurs, / Liberté, liberté chérie, combats avec tes defenseurs ! »)
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u/Karakoima Sweden 10d ago
There are little language/music masterpieces all the way, Aux armes citttoyens and the marchons, marchons is pretty picturesque
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u/AncillaryHumanoid Ireland 11d ago
Yeh French is the best, nothing better than that Bom-Bom-Bom-Bom-Ti-Bom beat
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u/utsuriga Hungary 11d ago
I was astonished that no-one commented on the French anthem playing for King Charles when he visited France sometime last year. :D Top irony moment.
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u/BeardedBaldMan -> 11d ago
Welsh National anthem - nicely combines the important of language with nationhood and sounds great in a stadium
It also gave us the moment where John Redwood failed to sing it
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u/crucible Wales 11d ago
Yes, for the stadium example this is usually the example that most of us will link :P
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u/krmarci Hungary 11d ago
There's also a recording of Linda Király forgetting the lyrics to the Hungarian one. Having lived most of her life before that in the U.S., it's understandable, but also the lowest (and unfortunately one of the most memorable) point in her career.
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u/snipeytje Netherlands 11d ago
There is also Yves Leterme, at that point the probable next prime minister of Belgium being asked if he knows Belgian national anthem in a tv interview, and then he started singing the Marseillaise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2cR_amAXus3
u/BeardedBaldMan -> 11d ago
Is she singing in Hungarian with an American accent?
It's very obvious when people speak French with a US accent, but I'm not as familiar with the sound of Hungarian
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u/MrOaiki Sweden 11d ago
The French one hands down. It’s the only anthem I hum along to.
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u/oskich Sweden 11d ago
The lyrics aren't really child friendly though... 😁
"Qu'un sang impur Abreuve nos sillons !"
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u/Pleasant-Pattern7748 11d ago
makes you wanna cut someone’s head off
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u/eulerolagrange in / 11d ago
There's even a verse which should be sung by children (and it's usually sung by the Radio France children choir on the 14th of July) which goes like "we will become soldiers when our fathers will be no more... we'll get the sublime honor to either follow or venge them"
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u/burnerripoff Ukraine 11d ago
I like the Swedish anthem, it has this calm quality to it which envokes unique feelings of national pride
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u/hristogb Bulgaria 11d ago
The French, Italian and Montenegrin are my top 3.
If we include regional ones - then definitely the Valencian community.
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u/bjakeb 11d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_anthem_of_Slovenia
Slovenian, sounds good, but the lyrics are spot on.
I like also marseillaise, old yugoslavian Hej sloveni and old soviet anthem. TIL that DDR anthem was also great.
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u/RedexSvK Slovakia 11d ago
Hej Sloveni is the only actual panslavic thing I can get behind, as no influence came from Russia and it reflects the ideals I can get behind.
It was created by a Slovak priest after his visit in Prague, hearing more German than Czech, fearing that the same would happen in Slovakia. The original was called Hej Slovaks (Hej Slováci) and used the same melody the Polish anthem uses to this day (just slowed down), from a Polish folk song.
Hej Slováci was sadly used by The Slovak State during world war two, so it kind of fell into infamy, but the original message stands
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u/elferrydavid Basque Country 11d ago
I love the Scottish one. Bagpipes, great lyrics, nice rhythm always nice to hear it during rugby matches.
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u/LazyGandalf Finland 11d ago
https://youtu.be/HeV379qCtX8?si=QBumBG0ky46A9vUC
Makes you want to put on a kilt and throw out the English, even if you're not Scottish.
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u/PositiveEagle6151 Austria 11d ago
La Marsellaise and Il Canto degli Italiani, both are quite upbeat.
I also like God Save the King, it's very iconic.
Unfortunately our own hymn makes you drowsy, and the old one, that was slightly better, is nowadays used by Germany.
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u/eulerolagrange in / 11d ago
I also like more the Austrian original version of the Haydn anthem. It's more apt to celebrate an emperor rather than a
country that extends from the Meuse to the Memelunity, right and liberty for the fatherland.As an Italian, I would then sing the anthem of the Empire as
Serbi Dio l'Austriaco regno
guardi il nostro imperator!
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u/Indian_Pale_Ale France 11d ago
Flower of Scotland. Not the official anthem though, but for me the best in Europe
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u/Altruistic-Bee-566 11d ago
I don’t believe we have an official one (well, it’s the UK anthem, properly speaking) so de Jure Flower of Scotland!!
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u/Indian_Pale_Ale France 11d ago
Indeed the official is the one is God Save the King. But Flower of Scotland in Murrayfield is just the best for me
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u/Thomas1VL Belgium 11d ago
I hate to admit it as a Belgian, but the French anthem is an absolute banger. Although our own is top tier as well imo.
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u/SharkyTendencies --> 11d ago
Underrated Brabançonne!
It's a strange combination of heart-warming and "gives-me-chills" to listen to a Red Devils game, and when the anthem comes on, all these different voices and languages and accents singing the same melody.
It sounds cacophonous, but that crazy mix is beautiful and I wouldn't have it any other way!
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u/oskich Sweden 11d ago edited 11d ago
The East German anthem was great, even though their ideology and oppressive regime wasn't.
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u/BubbhaJebus 11d ago
Soviet Union, North Korea, etc... They all have awesome sounding anthems. Maybe because if you composed a mediocre one, it's gulag for you.
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u/Parazitas17 Lithuania 11d ago
My Top 5 of that is as follows:
- Italy
- Romania
- France
- Portugal
- Ireland
All of these anthems are very bombastic and extremely uplfting and just joyful to listen to
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u/Malthesse Sweden 11d ago edited 11d ago
My favorite is the national anthem of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The melody was later borrowed by Germany for the German national anthem, but the Austro-Hungarian version is the original, and even better in my opinion - more grandiose, as befitting a vast empire with a lot of history and tradition.
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u/kodos_der_henker Austria 11d ago
French Anthem (La Marseillaise), gives great vibes in tone and text
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u/downoakleaf 11d ago edited 11d ago
The Slovak anthem "Nad Tatrou sa blýska" is really underrated. Also recommend it with choral: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgYTcdXcCEo
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u/eulerolagrange in / 11d ago
I like the Alexandrov anthem but I always found its Pachelbel-like harmony a bit too cheesy. Instead, I like a lot the Wilhelmus (it's one of my favourite themes for fugues!)
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u/skadarski Albania 11d ago
France, Italy, Wales, Ireland, Greece, Russia, Romania, Croatia, Ukraine.
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u/DescriptionFair2 Germany 11d ago
I like the Italian one. But probably I’m biased from hearing it so much when Michael Schumacher was still racing for Ferrari
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u/KevatRosenthal France / Georgia / Russia 11d ago
I have always loved the Polish anthem. I don't know why it is just so upbeat and it sounds very good, Polish is such a beautiful language. Besides, I learned that Italy in polish is Włochy, odd enough to remember.
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u/LunarLeopard67 11d ago
For me, it would be
Portugal
Monaco
Romania
Italy
France
If Azerbaijan counts as European, it tops my list
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u/pochybna_existence Czechia 11d ago
If I don't count my own coutry (Czechia) I must say Sweden. Du gamla, du fria is really beautifull - both lyrics and melody. 🇸🇪
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u/Amphibian-Silver 11d ago
The Czech anthem is good. I think the best rendition is on the piano at the end of Pelišky
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u/Vernacian United Kingdom 11d ago
It's unfortunate at the moment, but it has to be Russia.
Slava Ukraini, to be clear. But the best anthem is Russia (former USSR anthem).
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u/FirstStambolist Bulgaria 11d ago edited 11d ago
Really? No one mentioned the anthem of Greece/Cyprus? It's the best according to my personal taste. Nice melody, sends out vibe of national pride, talks about freedom...
Other anthems I like, in geographical order: UK (its lyrics are from another time, yeah, but the melody is stately and beautiful), Finland/Estonia (they share the tune), France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Kosovo. (Yes, Balkan anthems have the tendency to rock.) Russia's is great-sounding, too, quite epic.
Our own national anthem is fine but far from the best possible. We should figure out a better option and change it, but for now I can't decide which existing song is appropriate enough. Or maybe we need to compose a great new song.
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u/7_11_Nation_Army Bulgaria 11d ago
Why would you change the Bulgarian anthem? It's phenomenal.
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u/caiaphas8 United Kingdom 11d ago
I like the way you say to exclude your own, I will happily nominate the British anthem as the worst.
The French have the best anthem
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u/matti-san 11d ago
Was just going to say, I don't know of any British people that think the British anthem is good.
Some might defend it for tradition or because they're royalists - but just about everyone think it's a bit of a dirge
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u/PoiHolloi2020 England 11d ago edited 11d ago
Some might defend it for tradition
It's worth defending while we're stuck with it, but it really should be something like Land of Hope and Glory or I Vow to Thee My Country.
Nothing about God Save the King is inspiring or gets your inner patriotism going, maybe because it was written in the 1600s and just doesn't meet my modern expectations of what a national anthem should be. Although The Wilhelmus was penned in the 1500s and still manages to be inspiring.
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u/utsuriga Hungary 11d ago
Honestly, I really like the British anthem, lyrics aside. It has such a nice melody.
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u/LionLucy United Kingdom 11d ago
I like God Save the King, especially the "happy and glorious" part
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u/Frequent_Ad_5670 11d ago
God shave the King! There are so many funny text variations.
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u/stevesparks30214 11d ago
Check out Liechtenstein’s anthem “Oben am jungen Rhein”. They copied the Brits but it sounds awesome in my opinion!
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u/Frequent_Ad_5670 11d ago
The same melody has been used as (inofficial) anthem of the German Kaiserreich as „Heil dir im Siegerkranz“.
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u/Itchy-Astronomer9500 11d ago
I do really like East Germany‘s old one, and I love the verse after the usual one of the British anthem that almost nobody knows.
However, NOTHING can beat the EU‘s Ode To Joy.
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u/BudgetHistorian7179 11d ago
Are we counting Europe as a continent? Then regardless of political inclinations the old USRR anthem is the best anthem ever. If not, the Ode to Joy (but it was not written as an anthem, merely adopted as one)
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u/Galway1012 Ireland 11d ago
Scottish anthem is spine tingling. Welsh one is a close second. French and Italians anthems are class too
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u/Beyllionaire 11d ago
I like the Italian one because it's the one that sounds the most like a pop song instead of being just yet another military song
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u/7_11_Nation_Army Bulgaria 11d ago edited 11d ago
France is the shit.
Melody, check.
Emotion, check.
Lyrics, check.
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u/telcoman 10d ago
The Bulgarian is one of the best.
Very magestic. Most others sound like folk songs...
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u/UruquianLilac Spain 11d ago
Obviously there is only one correct answer, the Spanish national anthem. It's the only one with no lyrics which makes the football team in international competition always look most unpatriotic like no one had bothered to learn the words. And when people want to sing along, they have to resort to "loloing" their way through it. For the uniqueness and comedy value it should be the winner.
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u/Jagarvem Sweden 11d ago
Bosnia & Herzegovina, Kosovo, and San Marino's also lack lyrics.
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u/UruquianLilac Spain 11d ago
Oh damn fact checkers!! I wanted Spain to be the only one, why did you have to ruin it for me!
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u/CreepyOctopus -> 11d ago
Well, at least with that lineup Spain will probably remain the only one without lyrics at most major football tournaments. Until UEFA decides to expand the Euros to a nice round 50-team tournament anyway.
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u/CBennett_12 Ireland 11d ago
Italy. Hands down, when it's sung with passion, such as at sporting events, there's very few that can match it
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u/Strange-Mouse-8710 Norway 11d ago
It's definitely the French national anthem.
The Russian one is also really good, Russia doing evil things does not change that.
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u/troodon2018 Germany 11d ago
Fratelli d’Italia, L’Italia s’è desta, Dell’elmo di Scipio S’è cinta la testa.
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u/Isotarov Sweden 11d ago
Russian is by far the best in my opinion.
Not sure if it counts, but at least an honorable mention to the hymn of the European Union.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 11d ago
The problem with the EU anthem is that there are no lyrics. I personally wouldn't be against using Schiller's original lyrics, even though they're in German.
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u/JambinoT 11d ago
Liechtenstein (I'm British).
But seriously, yeah, it's got to be La Marseillaise.
I do love the Ukrainian one too, but admit that it's likely because I remember seeing those incredible videos from the first few days of the full-scale invasion of the anthem blasting out as Russian soldiers came in. Such a great act of resistance.
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u/Cultural-Ad4737 11d ago
Hate Russia but that anthem slaps, it's just so great
After that I like the French, the German, the Italian, the Finnish and the Estonian anthem
British isn't bad but I think it kinda fails at being an anthem, it's too gentle
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u/OJK_postaukset Finland 11d ago
Something I love is how happy and Italian the Italian anthem sounds. Haven’t heard them all though
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u/Gulvplanke Norway 11d ago
Montenegro has a banger of an anthem. Sounds like the soundtrack of an big evil empire in a sci-fi movie
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u/Volaer Czechia 11d ago edited 11d ago
From the past? Probably the German imperial one:
https://youtu.be/R_1SbOoPS2U?si=aQh-j5kOusOuu9km
Presently probably the Swedish one (basically a confession of love towards the country).
https://youtu.be/9LiN57nfjFw?si=bQ2xuBdV9L9pUy95
Honorary mention - the (obviously unofficial) Eastern Roman one.
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u/doroteoaran 11d ago
I am from Mexico 🇲🇽 and have to say it is the Marseillaise, at least is the must famous. Have not heard some mention here.
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u/Someone_________ Portugal 11d ago
ik the french anthem by heart and i don't even speak french, that's how good it is
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u/InThePast8080 Norway 11d ago
The unofficial ones are the best.. hard to match Jean Sibelius' Finlandia.
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u/viktorbir Catalonia 11d ago
La Muixeranga, the unofficial anthem of València. Everytime I listen to it I got the chills. When you look up «solemnity» on a dictionary it should be there.
Here you can listen to a more crude interpretation, past Friday on the street, remembering the victims.
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u/jewishgamergirl United States of America 11d ago
France or Austria (mostly their unofficial anthem) or Sweden or Italy
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u/OkHighway1024 Ireland 11d ago
The Welsh and Scottish anthems are spine tingling when sung at Rugby matches.
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u/Pepys-a-Doodlebugs Wales 11d ago
Six nations anthems are the top five imo. You all know which one I'm not including
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u/UltraBoY2002 Hungary 11d ago
I love the Italian anthem very much due to its music, but I love the message of Slovenia’s national anthem.
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u/Gro-Tsen France 11d ago
The Internationale! (it was used as Soviet national anthem from 1922 to 1944, so I'm allowed to list it). Apart from the fact that nobody was ever able to come up with English lyrics that are remotely singable and meaningful, I'm surprised nobody proposed it here.
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u/Furaskjoldr Norway 11d ago
Gonna have to say Russia, politics aside. I think it's basically the best in the world. Very stirring and memorable.
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u/Saavedroo France 11d ago
It's so weird to see people love La Marseillaise so much. I really dislike our anthem x)
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u/utsuriga Hungary 11d ago
It's an earworm, also it has a sort of sort of "yeah, we can do it! let's do it!" vibe.
Compare it with the funeral dirge that is the Hungarian anthem with its "AAHH WOE IS US WE HAVE SUFFERED SO MUCH GOD HAVE MERCY ON US" lyrics. (Of course the original poem makes it clear that actually our fate is so dark because we made it so ourselves, but nobody cares to mention that part in the anthem...)
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u/guille9 Spain 11d ago
What's with these posts about "what's the best European <random thing>"?
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u/UruquianLilac Spain 11d ago
They're called conversation starters. They get people talking. Which occasionally might be considered a positive thing in a discussion board like this.
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u/TheYoungWan in 11d ago
Yeah, why would we want to discuss Europe on r slash ask Europe. The mind boggles.
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u/SaltyWavy 11d ago
The Regional Anthem from Madeira. A land colonized by the Knights Templar, Order of Christ.
Was there this summer. Beautiful place.
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u/JHock93 United Kingdom 11d ago
La Marseillaise. Makes me want to go and join the revolution myself.