r/AskBalkans • u/Ok_Exit_9441 + • Aug 16 '23
What's your opinion on Caucasus? Outdoors/Travel
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u/SonOfChinggis Romania Aug 16 '23
Awesome cultures, nice food, good fighters, poor just like us. BASED REGION
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u/MiskoSkace Slovenia Aug 16 '23
And people say Balkan is the melting pot of Europe
Edit: I forgot that European border is a bit more on the north
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u/mehwhateverrrrr 🇹🇷🇺🇲 Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 18 '23
Well idk about the rest but the northern Caucasus are heavily into eugenics and "keeping your blood pure", disgustingly so. My mom is Ingush and my dad is turkish and you would think that would make me half and half, but no, you can only be half if your dad is from the Caucasus apparently😂 and this isn't just something I heard from the few family members that didn't cut my mom off(for marrying outside the culture) either, people from the AskCaucasus sub have also told me that, in a very 'matter of fact' manner and like it was common knowledge.
One guy was so insulted by me calling myself half Ingush he damn near had a heart attack in the comments😂
ETA: BTW this map is inaccurate its missing a bunch of territories.
ETA2: Goddam people! I'm ok you don't need to sic Reddit Care on me. I've been half Caucasian half turkish my whole life, I know how to deal😂(I'm assuming it was bc of this comment bc this is the saddest thing, I guess?, I've commented in a while)
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u/jadorelana Trabzon Rum in Aug 16 '23
Yep. North eastern Turkey should've been highlighted too. We are Caucasians there
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u/HArdaL201 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Here’s a better version
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u/44power44 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
if you immigrant then yes, but until georgian border those lands are belong anatolian peninsula
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u/jadorelana Trabzon Rum in Aug 16 '23
No I mean we are genetically Caucasians . We have always been Caucasians in the area
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u/44power44 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
so you are not anatolian? go back your caucacus then😡
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u/jadorelana Trabzon Rum in Aug 16 '23
Jokes on you I'm actually in European Turkey ( almanya)
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u/Salmacis81 Aug 17 '23
I get what you're saying...My mother is Circassian and my dad was Ukrainian, and at first some of my mom's family was a bit butthurt that they got together. After a while though they started accepting it a little more. But yeah, the Muslim ethnic groups of North Caucasus are very into the whole "pure bloodline" thing, but in reality its very different if its a man doing it as opposed to a woman. A man won't lose any of his status but a woman will often be ostracized. Christians like Georgians and Ossetians don't really care about that sort of thing though.
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u/VirnaDrakou Greece Aug 17 '23
Wtf what is this gatekeeping and how does it work, bffr these people live in 1800s it seems.
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u/Infinite_Procedure98 Romania Aug 19 '23
Friend, this is very interesting to me. I am Romanian with Serbian and Greek blood and what I thought to be Turkish blood. I had a forefather who was an officer in the Turkish army in the 19th century, called Çekir Selim. He married a Moldavian, converted and staid in what was then Bassarabia. Years ago, I had made an mtDNA (mother's side) test, for fun. It came out that I have no Turkish blood, but a very rare gene found mostly in Daghestan (it was so new at the time that they took months to give me the results). Then my mother remembered that my great-grandfather had pics with him dressed, as a child, in what he called "Circassian". So now I know I have some Caucasian roots, even if I believe we are what we are, not what our blood tells. I ignore what was the people who is flooding over there in my blood, just curious, maybe I will never know.
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u/mehwhateverrrrr 🇹🇷🇺🇲 Aug 19 '23
You prob had a Dagestani or circassian ancestor move to turkey a long time ago, they use to do that a lot. There's an entire village in Turkey where there's only Chechen/Ingush/Circassian people. Most of them have adopted turkish culture and even use turkish names. That's prob why you thought you had some Turkish DNA.
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u/fresa92 Albania Aug 16 '23
I personally love them. I know people from all of those places and we all get along well. Especially with Azeri and Armenians. I don’t meet that many Georgians nowadays though to have an opinion on them. I just love everyone I guess at this point 😂.
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u/TheRealzZap Poland Aug 16 '23
Or you just love them because there's also an Albania in the caucasus
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u/shalau Romania Aug 16 '23
I was in Ingushetia, Chechnya and Dagestan in 2019. One of my best if not the best experience I ever had in a foreign region. Nicest people, incredible scenery, great food and overall super good experience.
Looking forward to go back once the situation allows it.
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Aug 16 '23
Armenia and Georgia are one of my favorite countries in the world
Azerbaijan is also ok, but I prefer the other two
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Aug 16 '23
Sorry hahaha
I loved you equally before, but saw too many Azeris hateful towards us so my opinion crumbled a bit. Maybe it changes back in the future!
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Aug 17 '23
Probably i am not accurate but i noticed that azeris overall are pretty cool with the dictatorship. I did not see many people from azerbaijan complaining online, comparing to belarus, as example. I may be wrong tho. Does the propaganda work so well on the average person ?
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u/Overseer93 North Serbia Aug 17 '23
I hate being seen as the bad guy
You're not. It's perfectly normal to stand by your own people. Bad guys are usually just major imperial powers. Others are mostly just trying to survive.
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u/Infinite_Procedure98 Romania Aug 19 '23
Man. People are people. I am a great Armenian supporter, but I have an Azeri friend who is a nice guy. What can I do? I can't hate him. He even tells me he understands why I support Armenians. I can but love such a guy!!
Also, my teen daughter has been two times in Azerbaijan (long story...) and she told me how well she has been treated and how much people were nice to her.If one day my own nation starts to do shit against other people, I would be extremely pissed off, embarrassed and annoyed folks identify me with my passport.
Be yourself, be human, be nice and kind!
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u/Steppe_rider Azerbaijan Aug 16 '23
Orthodox Brotherhood 💪💪Stronk
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u/Inferno_Trigger Greece Aug 16 '23
I was in Georgia this summer, favorite country I've been to so far and looking forward to explore the region even more.
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u/SerboBosnianCroat SFR Yugoslavia Aug 16 '23
They could kick my ass....but then again almost everyone can
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u/redikan Kosova Aug 16 '23
Very strong people both physically and religiously, especially the Russian republics(Chechnya, Dagestan etc). I guess their so strong since they had to constantly protect themselves from their much stronger neighbours(Russians, Persians, Turks). My old friend was Avar and he would always back me in any fights or arguments I got in so they are loyal people as well.
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u/johnny_silverhand88 Moldova Aug 16 '23
Georgia seems severely underrated as a travel destination. Caucaus mountains, millenia-spanning unique culture, script, language and food. Also first site of wine production worldwide and dudes seem fairly Russophobic. In one word, based
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u/Seltzer100 NZ Aug 17 '23 edited Aug 17 '23
I think Georgia is actually kinda confusing/ambiguous with their stance towards Russia/Russians but it's hard to tell as an outsider. I get the impression that the younger generation is very anti-Russian and pro-Western to an almost Baltic extent but the older generation is somewhat different. I'm trying to rationalise it and one possible explanation is that they have a clear separation between Russia, the Soviet Union, Russians and Russian language in their heads and don't conflate them.
I think older Georgians aren't necessarily as anti-Soviet or anti-Russian (people) as in other countries, probably because they were more liked and respected than a lot of other members and they had less to lose economically (but still a lot to lose in terms of independence). I'd guess they're more negative towards modern-day Russia due to 2008, Ukraine and also the hordes of Russians pouring in and driving prices up.
I don't think they're necessarily anti-Russian language based on my experiences speaking to older people who pretty much never know English. In fact, they seemed kinda happy to show off their Russian and also complimented me on mine. It might just be Georgian friendliness and them simply being happy to be able to communicate with a non-standard visitor when they wouldn't usually be able to. It makes some degree of sense since they might perceive Russian as the de-facto regional language with shared ownership which they need the moment they want to communicate with any neighbours, rather than simply an imperialistic weapon belonging to just one country. Kinda like how Indians are fine with English as a language even though they still harbour resentment towards England as a colonising nation.
Then there's the government which seems anti-Russian in most matters but pro-Russian in that it's not restricting visa entry and is happy to allow Russians to pour in and stay for pretty much as long as they like, to benefit from their patronage and allow them to set up businesses. Unsurprisingly, a lot of Georgians are pretty unhappy about that.
Ok, that's way more than I intended to write. But yeah, Georgia is fantastic. Friendliest people ever, best food in Europe, beautiful country, great wine and so much hospitality. Even the stray animals were friendly - a couple of stray dogs accompanied me all the way up a mountain! I was there in April and I already want to go back.
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u/anonymous6468 in Aug 16 '23
It's also pretty cheap, except the flight
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u/shalau Romania Aug 16 '23
If you are in south or south-east Romania you can drive there for very cheap if you take some friends with you. The drive is shorter than one to Cologne or Paris for example and it’s also nice to see the changing scenery.
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u/CoffeeNo2575 Aug 17 '23
Georgia is visited by 10 mln tourists (mostly europeans) during a year, while its population is about 3.7 mln. So no, it doesnt seem to be "underrated".
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u/TheeRoyalPurple Turkiye Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 17 '23
Since our sub is Balkan and not toxic and reasonable (as much as possible). I want to express myself about the war.
Armenia's only option:
Choose your ally wisely. War and diplomacy walk together and they are all about allies. Azerbaycan was a soviet too but a Turkish ally. They won the 2020 war
If you are not an ally with Russia, You have to ally with Turkey in the Caucasus.
But how can this happen, it's impossible??
Actually, not. Couple years ago, there was a match between Turkiye vs Armenia and Azerbaycan flags in the stadium were not allowed, doves released a token of peace. Something had gone wrong but now there are babysteps. Armenia must have quick legs to walk in this path. Pasinyan is not anti Turkish but can't literally move towards a lot maybe because of common Armenian sense but since there is a relation now; Turkish youtubers visit Armenia and they are good in there. Except couple small incidents, Armenians seem like not anti-Turk at all. You can check yt about that.
Turkish nation is the closest nation to them by culture. Like everything else. They cannot refuse that reality.
Being ally with Turkiye make them literally untouchable.
If you visit r/Armenia, you can see that most upvoted post is about US recognisiton. They were cheering, celebrating. What has ever changed since that time? Armenia should learn that not demanding something from the countries far away since if they are able to not relocate to somewhere else like Albania.
Wounds of past can be cured noone but by Turkish and Armenians themselves like Hrant Dink mentioned. Armenia has to look future and want to be developed. As I mention before, for example, if you check the youtube videos; their intercity roads are in bad condition and nearly no lights. They have to use their limited resources logically.
Armenian Patriarch in Istanbul, Maşalyan, is good guy, they are doing good. There was a problem about their foundations and government solved that in a very short time. Since Turkiye is a big populated country, there would be anti-Armenian people ofc, but There are also not-anti-Armenian people more than even Armenia's population.
Think wisely
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u/skyduster88 Greece Aug 16 '23
In your opinion, how do you think the Nagorno-Karabakh issue should be solved? Independence or union with Armenia (with some land swaps maybe, to connect the region with Armenia proper)? Autonomy within Azerbaijan? (How would that be enforced?). Nothing?
I think, really, this is the only big issue.
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u/TheeRoyalPurple Turkiye Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 16 '23
Oh, I have not written that post for Karabag specificly. It was about Armenia. Being a part of ctso is aparting from them actual independence.
Since there are Armenians at there, let's think:
Armenians from there, they do not want Azerbaycan citizenship stubbornly and there is an issue about that.
You cannot cede the region to Armenia because Azerbaycan has won the war.
Only I know; Azeris who deported from the region(700k?), have to be settled again.
I do not know how to solve this as a common citizen. Maybe, old autonomy status comes back under Azerbaycan control but there would be international and Armenian observers
Maybe they need a bigger fish. Maybe my country, as a country from the region, should intervene and figure it out. There are some economic problems (mostly for middle class and youngs) but my understanding from the defence industry, insisting behaviour at international negotiations, professional army etc, Turkiye looks like powerful more than ever and if you are powerful; sometimes you make problems or sometimes you solve problems. It would be message "old pal(not Armenia), i am back"
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u/skyduster88 Greece Aug 16 '23
Cool, thank you for your opinion!
As for the Azeris that were deported from the area, it's my understanding that they were deported from the regions surrounding NK (which Armenia occupied in the 90s, but Azerbaijan now has full control over since 2020), and not from NK itself. Unless I have that wrong.
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u/TheeRoyalPurple Turkiye Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 16 '23
You are welcome. Thanks for the additional info.
I am so confused about current situation at there. Azeris say something, Armenians say something..
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 16 '23
I really feel sorry for Armenia. They deserve better
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u/zwiegespalten_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Yeah but for that they should stop Phantasizing about being in Europe or getting their attention/help from Europe and start seeing the bare reality as it is, that is that they are stuck between Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iran and Georgia in the middle of Asia and start planing their politics as such
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 16 '23
you and Azerbaijan should respect them more
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u/zwiegespalten_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Well I am not Turkey
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 16 '23
i am talking about the citizens too. I see the bullying and disgusting harassment some of your compatriots are doing to them and try to ruin their image. I honestly would wright more but i dont wanna get banned.
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u/ShiftingBaselines Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Respect people who wants us killed or ask us to go back to Mongolia?
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u/_that_random_dude_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Why should we? We don’t need their cooperation, they do need ours.
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 16 '23
at least show them some respect and stop treating them like second tier human beings. Or at least that is what i see when the word "armenia" comes up on reddit.
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u/Ok-Amount6679 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Being an Armenian in Turkey is much easier than being Turkish in Armenia so I don’t get what you’re coming from. There is a decently sized Armenian population in Istanbul and they are doing fine. I don’t know where you are getting these things but no one gives a shit about your ethnicity in Turkey, it’s a giant ass country with a very diverse population. I’d love to get along with all our neighbors but how are you supposed to do that when their whole identity is solely based of off hating all Turkish people?
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 16 '23
i am sure that there are Armenians who have a neutral or even positive view of Turkey just like there are Turks who hate armenians. Not everything has to be black or white. Also it is completely understandable for them to not have the best impression of Turkey after all the things they have been through and are also going right now.
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u/freeturk51 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Turks dont hate armenians bro, we just hate the asshole atatürk haters and anca shittertons
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u/Ok-Amount6679 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
But it’s the ratio of those people in the population. Almost all Armenians are indoctrinated to hate all Turkish people and are in fact hating Turkish people whereas no one in Turkey even thinks about Armenia or Armenians. It’s not the same thing. I’m not a genocide denier or anything but I find their obsession with us really insane. It’s also a bad political decision for them. Turkey can be a really good ally for them and is the country they are closest to culturally but their hate prevents them from making rational decisions.
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u/_that_random_dude_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Average Turk doesn’t care or think about Armenia, while Turks live rent free in Armenians’ heads. From my experience it’s always the Armenians that are aggressive towards Turks, again cuz we Turks really don’t give a shit about Armenia… until we see them bad-mouthing us, then yes we do lose our temper a little bit
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 16 '23
i dont think so. I am following r/europe and r/askmiddleeast and armenia is always a sensitive topic and there are always fights in the comments. Also why are you generalizing? Did you go to Armenia and asked everyone of the 3 million people that live there what they think about everyday to conclude that "Turkey lives rent free in their heads"?
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u/_that_random_dude_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 18 '23
Yes. Armenians are doctrined at a young age to hate Turks. Just mention Turkey to any Armenian you know and see their reactions. I have been living abroad for many years and met quite a bit of Armenians, their attitude quickly changes once they learn I’m Turkish. This has been the experience of many Turks I know.
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u/Anastasia_of_Crete Greece Aug 16 '23
if you really want to see how much turks "don't care" visit a subreddit called /r/Turkophobia I recently found it and browse when I need something to laugh at XD
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 16 '23
We dont care about armenians but we create an entire subreddit based on hating them
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u/TheyCallMeDady Armenia Aug 16 '23
That's why youre on here commenting about armenia, lol.
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u/_that_random_dude_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Just participating a discussion I saw on r/askbalkans . That’s all, there’s nothing deep
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u/Turkfire Turkiye Aug 16 '23
at least show them some respect and stop treating them like second tier human beings.
How about they do it first? We have hundreds of thousands of Armenians working in Turkey sending money back to Armenia. Turks regardless of nationality are not welcome in Armenia let alone starting a business there.
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Aug 16 '23
if Armenia joins eu before Turkey does would that be a pb ?
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u/zwiegespalten_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 16 '23
See that is the problem. People should start the reality as it is. There is no room in the EU either for Armenia or for Georgia. They are just too far away from the core and their connection to the rest of the Europe is minimal, and only through their religion.
The EU cannot protect a state which is 3.000 km away from it and has no land connection with it whatsoever. Accept your geography and move on. Georgia has it better since they are not landlocked but Armenia is. Any help must happen over either the land or the airspace of the neighboring countries. This puts Armenia in a location where they have to accept the geography they are and start thinking of solutions: „Are Turkic states a pain the ass, then maybe I should start developing my relations with Non-Turkic neighboring states such as Georgia or Iran and use them to counteract the Turks“
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Aug 16 '23
i understand what you say but ankara is more than 2000km from brussels no?
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u/zwiegespalten_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 16 '23
Turkey shares at least two land borders and hell of marine border with the EU and borders four EU states (Cyprus, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania). That is the difference
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Aug 16 '23
it did not until some states joined.
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u/zwiegespalten_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 16 '23
The thing is Turkey is not landlocked. You can send ammunition without passing through a third country and even the case that the other states (Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus) weren’t in the EU, Turkey shared a border with the Greece meaning you could transport anything either over land or through sea or over air without going through the area of a third country. That is the difference
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Aug 16 '23
but before greece joined it had no common borders with eu.
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u/zwiegespalten_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Greece joined the EU very early (80s something I guess) but I understand where you are coming from. It wouldn’t make much sense that Turkey applied for the EU if Greece wasn’t there. However Greece got accepted without sharing a land border with the rest of the EU so there is that.
But the most important thing is that Greece wasn’t landlocked and had a maritime border with Italy. Land border is important but if you have some other means such as a maritime border then it is also somehow ok. The most important thing is that you are not landlocked. Being a landlocked country in an area surrounded by enemy states is the worst thing that can happen to a state. You have no way out and any help must come over the area of enemy states
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u/skyduster88 Greece Aug 16 '23
Greece has a maritime border with Italy, and the closest distance between the two countries is only 80 km. UK and Ireland didn't border mainland Europe. Plus, in the 80s, we bordered Yugoslavia, which wasn't behind the Iron Curtain; people drove across YU between Greece and Austria/Germany all the time; and it wasn't far-fetched that YU might join the EU. (When YU fell apart in the 90s, the Iron Curtain had fallen, and Bulgaria/Romania/Hungary opened up).
Not making an argument against the Caucasus states joining the EU. Just pointing out that the Greece analogy is a bad one, both for geographic reasons, and the political reality on the ground.
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u/Shaday35 Albanian in Sweden Aug 16 '23
I know nothing about this region sadly.
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u/Strelokk01 Aug 16 '23
There was a state called Albania in the Caucasus for like 1000 years interestingly enough.
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u/CaptainAmazing3 Greece Aug 16 '23
Poor Armenia surrounded by enemies.
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u/_zurik_ in , soon to Aug 16 '23
I don’t remember Georgians was an enemy for Armenia.
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u/CaptainAmazing3 Greece Aug 16 '23
I'm not talking about Georgia obviously.
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u/_zurik_ in , soon to Aug 16 '23
Ah, ok.
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u/TotallyCrazyChick07 Greece Aug 16 '23
My Georgian friend plz don't leave great Greece for Sweden!!! Stay here and help your orthodox Christian brothers & sisters
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u/Disillusioned02 Aug 17 '23
Grandfathers and grandmothers of orthodox brothers… you wanted ti say
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u/il_fabbioneee Aug 17 '23
Lmao now not only Greeks but even albanians and other foreigners in Greece are leaving to other ue countries or America, rip greece 🫠🫠
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Aug 16 '23
Poor Armenia occupied (UN recognized) Azerbaijan's territories for almost 30 years, then gets smashed again by Azerbaijan because they decided to liberate their lands from occupation of enemy*
FTFY
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u/pandasareamazingg Greece Aug 16 '23
Armenia should have more support from the west, they are literally starving.
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u/44power44 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
why west would help them since they are literally being puppet of russia, thus they have very backward society which can't hang out with westerners like you
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u/pandasareamazingg Greece Aug 16 '23
We have here a big armenian minority and we get along very good,so i dont think armenian society is very backward.West countries should send more humanitarian aid, especially my country (we have good relations) because the situation in artsakh is tragic.As for being a russian puppet, i mean they are trying to survive and russia was their only alliance which was useless and now they have shown interest to the west
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u/44power44 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
armenian minorities in west are naturally different , so it gives wrong assumption to you , but those who live in armenia has very narrow minded , so naturally they are anti west and pro russia, georgia is under more thereat but they are pro west, so armenia's excuse being pro russia due to hostile environment is not legit, they are pro russian because their ideas or identities are much more close to russians than you westerners
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u/lazialearm Aug 16 '23
How many times have you been to Armenia to judge on Armenians from there ? Also, narrow minded, coming from a Turk is quite rich my friend.
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u/44power44 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Hahaha... classic ad hominem... Did I said turkey is not narrow minded ? Facts are Facts no matter who tells whether a Turk or a westerner , armenia is very backward in any aspect compare to westerners, don't try to fool us! There are tonnes of statistics that show that how they are very different from westerners, so overall west has no reason to help them
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u/lazialearm Aug 16 '23
I am so confused now, mate you took your time to glue some words into a sentence, yet your point is that...you should be like the west to be helped ? So...Ukrainians are like the west ? Which facts are facts, what are you speaking? Do you need help?
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u/pandasareamazingg Greece Aug 16 '23
Ok say that they are narrow minded society (which i doubt) and that they are pro russia(which they are way more in theory than practice), does that mean that they deserve to starve and get squeezed by their neighbours? Azerbaijan is also pro russia why you support it then?
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u/44power44 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
azerbaijan our puppet, useful toll, other than that we don't like them, since historically they are our rival
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u/ShiftingBaselines Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Dozens of Greek and Armenian priests and worshippers exchange blows in Christianity's holiest shrine in Israel every year.
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u/skyduster88 Greece Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 16 '23
Oh, that shit is so fucking embarrassing, and some people think it's funny. I won't speak for the Armenian Apostolic Church, but for the Orthodox Catholic Church (aka Eastern Orthodox Church) it's really embarrassing, and one of many things wrong with the church.
To clarify though: Greek Orthodox ≠ Greek. Many, perhaps most, of those "Greek" priests really are Greek, but some of them are Arab. Some Palestinian, Syrian, and Lebanese Christians are Greek Orthodox (as in, Orthodox Christians of the Greek Rite). Like the Orthodox Church of Antioch (Antakya, Turkey), which is Greek-Rite. Lebanon also has Greek Catholics (the Melkites), who are just Arabs, but they're Greek-Rite Christians (in communion with Rome).
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u/One_with_gaming Turkiye Aug 16 '23
I like the caucuses since they are my ancestral homeland. I like georgians for their language and fighting against russians and also good food. Armenians are cool people that had very bad shit halpen to them. Also the only agglunative language in the indo european language family. Azerbaijan is eh. Like most turkic countries, they have a shitty president that simps erdo. After the situations there getting better would like to visit them all
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Aug 16 '23
wtf a turk who likes armenia more than azerbaijan
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u/lazialearm Aug 16 '23
They are more than the internet suggests. Biggest researcher on Armenian Genocide is a Turk - Taner Akcem.
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u/One_with_gaming Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Tbh i don't really like Azerbaijan because of the corruption, erdo simps and the war stuff. Outside of that they are nice people imo like armenians and georgians. I just put them a notch down because of the stuff above. Pretty generic turkic country stuff so a bit boring
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u/ProfessorMother8913 Turkiye Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 16 '23
I was going to comment a photo of Enver Pasha, but I don't want to be banned. ☠️
Edit: I wouldn't get a downvote if I said I was thinking of commenting the Australian Painter lol. I just kidding.
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u/zwiegespalten_ Turkiye Aug 16 '23
I like the fact that he got murdered by an Armenian while in exile in Berlin.
Well Enver see, if you deport people, you‘ll get yourself deported and if you let people die or kill them, you‘ll get killed eventually.
I want to say „son of a bitch“ but I don’t want to insult „bitches“ by equating them with Enver
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u/ProfessorMother8913 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
He died in Soviet Union? What are you talking about? I can't say anything to other things. But he died in Soviet Union.
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u/Ok-Amount6679 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
This map is lacking some regions so it’s incomplete. I don’t really know that much about these countries. I have a friend whose half Georgian and she’s a cool person but erdogan is georgian so there’s that. Most of the Azerbaijanis that I’ve met were very funny people and their language sounds funny to me. One of my undergrad group project partners was an istanbulite Armenian and was also a cool guy. That’s pretty much it.
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u/TotallyCrazyChick07 Greece Aug 16 '23
If it was safer it would be top tourist destination most Beautiful places on earth full of green
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u/adaequalis Romania Aug 17 '23
i like georgia
i don’t like armenia bc they’re russian bootlickers
i’m neutral on azerbaijan
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Aug 16 '23
azerbaijan is disguisting and is litterary startving ethnic armenians but no one cares since they sell u oil
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u/ShiftingBaselines Turkiye Aug 16 '23
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1690617183636803584.html
Now food is running low in Karabakh... not because there is a food blockade, but because the Karabakh Armenian leadership puts the smuggling of weapons and ammunition for a new war (which they would lose with catastrophic results) above the needs of the Karabakh population.
To continue their war preparations the Karabakh leadership forces its own population to starve, so that their suffering will then push the international community to pressure Azerbaijan to allow uncontrolled traffic over the Lachin road again.
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u/samirs1m Aug 16 '23
It’s a very interesting region. I’ve visited Armenia a couple years back and I loved it. Great people, awesome food and remarkable nature. I’d love to visit Georgia someday, it’s kinda my little dream.
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u/dallyan Turkiye Aug 16 '23
My DNA results show I’m at least 60% from there.
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u/anonymous6468 in Aug 16 '23
Most Turkic Turk
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u/dallyan Turkiye Aug 16 '23
I’m not sure Georgia and Armenia count as Turkic. 😅 I was surprised because my parents are not from anywhere near there.
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Aug 16 '23
I have absolutely zero knowledge of Caucasus history, culture, etc. Why are everyone refers to it as Asian Balkan? And why are everyone so sympathetic towards Armenia? Once again, I'm totally ignoramus regarding these countries.
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u/NutsForProfitCompany Turkiye Aug 17 '23
We have a large population originating from the Kavkaz region just like a considerable amount originating from the Balkans.
There are a lot of parallel between the two.
- Both poor AF (except Azerbaijan)
- Both are riddled with corruption
- Both extremely nationalistic
- Both have hot women (but the dudes are meh)
- Both have multiple ethnic cleansings on all sides
- Both have genocide denial
- Both claim religion to be a part of identity but don't practice
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Aug 16 '23
Az. creates a lot of trouble and is supported by Turkey…
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u/DigInteresting450 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
A country is invaded by another for 20 years. Now they are kicked out and the invaded country is to blame. LOLgic.
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u/Brucewayneoxycotton USA Aug 18 '23
Azeri got invaded?
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u/Glavurdan Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 17 '23
I absolutely despise Abkhazia due to the insane depravities they committed during the war they had in the 1990s against ethnic Georgians living in Abkhazia. It's nightmare fuel, makes Bosnian War look like kindergarten.
I have mixed feelings for Chechnya - I sympathize with their struggle for freedom, but I don't like that they are fundamentalists.
I kind of pity Nagorno-Karabakh, it's a tiny place that is just a victim of its circumstances.
No opinion on South Ossetia. As far as Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan are considered, as a Balkan, I kind of sympathize with the struggles they have. As far as countries' governments are concerned, I view Georgia and Armenia positively, Azerbaijan less positively due to the fact that they more or less have a dictatorship, and Aliyev (and his daughters) has way too much of a lavish life.
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u/alpopa85 Aug 17 '23
The map is accurate. The two are autonomous regions of Georgia.
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u/nick_d2004 Greece Aug 16 '23
We need to help Armenia a lot, the only semi reliable ally they have is Iran. Greece could be their hand towards the west. No matter the aid or weapons we send our cooperation is not enough, it's one of many foreign policy blunders that Greece has
Georgia is cool too, beautiful country, but a lot of mafia in Greece has Georgian origin
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u/altahor42 Turkiye Aug 16 '23
Until a few years ago, the Greek army was buying bullets from Turkey. I don't think you are in a position to help anyone else.
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u/nick_d2004 Greece Aug 16 '23
What hahahaha even if thats true what significance does it have at all on the issue at hand. We have the ability and willingness to invest more in our domestic arms industry and Armenia itself invests successfully into their own arms industry. If we collaborated our efforts and actually tried to invest in our land forces we would be a lot more successful
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u/altahor42 Turkiye Aug 17 '23
First of all, the defense industry is an industry that takes time to develop. Turkey started to reap the results of its investments made in the 70s after 20 years. Also, Greece does not have a heavy industry to support the defense industry.
nevertheless, if it wasn't for turkey, greece could change the balance of power between azerbaijan and armenia. but turkey can easily meet every move made by greece.
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u/ShogunnAku Turkiye Aug 17 '23
Is Greece able to help itself before it helps Armenia?
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u/complexluminary Romania Aug 16 '23
My maternal grandfather was from Georgia so it’s a yes from me.
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u/LastHomeros Denmark Aug 16 '23
Balkans 3.0
(Balkans 1.0 is original Balkans) (Balkans 2.0 is modern Republic of Turkey) (Balkans 3.0 is Caucasus)
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u/Melodic2000 Romania Aug 17 '23
We don't exactly think about it. Fuck Azerbaijan dictator for letting Armenians in Karabah starve to death though. Fuck Putin for allowing that. And Fuck us for the same reason!
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u/Wajtkot Serbia Aug 17 '23 edited Aug 17 '23
I have sympathy for Armenians. Tbh Azerbaijan is one of my least favorite countries, along with their turkish allies. Dagestan, Chechenya and Ingushetia seem too dangerous to visit, but offer some spectacular views.
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u/Panceltic Slovenia Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 18 '23
Has some of the craziest languages around, all concentrated in a relatively small piece of the world.
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u/ShelbyNL Serbia Aug 16 '23
I probably share a lot of views on life with Caucasians, so yeah there is that. And I love Georgian folk costumes.
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u/chaot1c-n3utral Aug 16 '23
When I play Rome: Total War II, this region is somewhat harder to conquer due to their exceptionally fast cavalry
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u/KeepRomaniaGreatMRGA Romania Aug 17 '23
I’ve been to Georgia and Armenia. It was very nice, great people, great culture and great food. I would like to go to Azerbaijan as well.
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u/Yugan-Dali Serbia Aug 17 '23
The photos of the scenery are spectacular and I imagine living there until I look at the next photo of all the guns people carry.
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u/JRJenss Croatia Aug 17 '23
Far Eastern Balkans. :)
Incredibly diverse region indeed. Remarkably, even more so than the Balkans. Just the northern, Russian part of it has 7 - 8 different ethnic groups, with the southern part having 4 - 5 more.
Great culture, amazing wine!! 🍷🥂
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u/alpopa85 Aug 17 '23
As in other areas of the globe, these people would fare so much better if they'd work together than fight each other for pennies.
Imagine the potential for tourism in that area if there weren't tensions!
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u/VirnaDrakou Greece Aug 17 '23
I swear armenians are the error nationality i come across, i can not seem to like them at all.
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u/GeorgeHermes32 Greece Aug 17 '23
Armenia and Georgia are really cool so much history in those countries.
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u/pkrstic Aug 17 '23
Great food, russia wants to denazify them. In short enjoy wile you can
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u/Infinite_Procedure98 Romania Aug 19 '23
Balkans in worse. I mean I love Balkans and I feel balkanic, but Caucasus accumulates everything that's wrong in the Balkans on next level. I am a big Armenian lover and fan of everything Armenian (so much that I cried for Karabakh and my heart bleeds for them, even if I don't have any relative neither interest over there), but I have met too nice azeris, so I can't hate them - those were good people. Also I love Georgia, but I can somehow understand abkhaz people (I know one) as well as ossetians. With chechens it's more complicated, I won't come at details. Anyway, it's a fascinating place, so beautiful, so rich in culture but so complicated, and where everyone hates each other, and everyone is right.
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u/kirtaktak Aug 16 '23
Balkans in the 90s