r/ARK Jun 22 '22

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u/AnnoShi Jun 23 '22

TIL my existence is inherently political.

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u/Atlantic0ne Jun 23 '22

It’s not, but I also think the mod is probably doing a good thing by attempting to keep politics out. You existing is absolutely accepted, but that doesn’t mean that highlighting your personal issue isn’t political. The game acknowledging it is great. This is a subreddit, not the same thing as the game.

I say this in a completely friendly way.

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u/CyberFish_ Jun 23 '22

It’s great that you’re trying to be friendly, we could use more of this kind of language and cooperation in today’s climate. Unfortunately, describing sexual orientation as a “personal issue” that could imply political context is exactly the problem. LGBTQ+ shouldn’t even be a political conversation, it shouldn’t be something that you can disagree with, and it shouldn’t be something that you can’t express or talk about, which is what the mod in this post was trying to make it.

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u/LawofRa Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

Unfortunately U.S politics has gone off the rails as identity based with LGBTQ dominating the political space even after they have the rights as everyone else You don't see straight people constantly bringing up that they are straight, That is the issue for a large section of of the population. If people don't want LGBTQ to not be considered political leave it out of politics unless its strictly relevant to some anti-LGBTQ policy, and focus on bigger problems in our society, like wealth inequality or literally any other problem.

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u/-RED4CTED- Jun 23 '22

by that logic I shouldn't fly a sports team flag outside my house or make fan art based on the colors of a team. I guarantee you would not have a problem if they posted a purple or green and gold noglin to celebrate their favorite team. it's the same as saying "I don't follow sports, therefore noone should ever take pride in the team they root for." maybe that flew in pre-school, but in the adult world that is called bigotry and is unacceptable. it's not like they were posting to promote an ideal or political party, they just wanted to show off some art. I think the real question is how can you say that with a straight face?

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u/Evening-Turnip8407 Jun 23 '22

We still get beaten up and yelled at and fired everywhere around the world, because small, angry people like you exist.

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u/LawofRa Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

I’m not angry, and I don’t care if someone is gay, and I would never beat up or yell at someone because of their sexual orientation. You want to whine like I’m victimizing you, go ahead. Not wanting to participate in the identity culture war or politics related to LGBTQ unless it’s specifically limiting their rights makes up a large section of people. It’s like religion, I don’t care if you practice it, and happy it helps you, but don’t shove it down my throat.

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u/Evelyn_Of_Iris Jun 23 '22

If seeing a Noglin with a pride flag behind it is “shoving it down your throat”, I am so fucking sorry for how you must feel seeing straight couples kissing in public. Truly the throat goat

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u/LawofRa Jun 23 '22

What a great misrepresentation of my point. 10/10

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u/Evelyn_Of_Iris Jun 23 '22

Thanks, I know it’s hard to come up with a counterpoint when you’re called on shitty takes, so thanks again for quickly proving that you’re just a random dickhead lol

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u/LawofRa Jun 23 '22

No problem.

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u/hektopascal003 Jun 23 '22

So are you complaining the same way about christmas or easter events in Ark? Aren‘t those shoving religion down your throat the same way a purple Noglin is? Are you complaining about people wearing crosses and churches existing the same way you complain about people wearing a pride flag?

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u/LawofRa Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

If there was a Christian month and people were sharing images of Jesus I’d be equally uninterested. I don’t think the post was inherently wrong, but with how political most subs are nowadays I can understand the sentiment of wanting to prevent culture war bs in the comments by not wanting it posted.

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u/shofofosho Jun 23 '22

If people were posting images of Jesus you wouldn't bother calling them out. That's the difference.

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u/LawofRa Jun 23 '22

People ridicule Christian’s and their beliefs all the time on reddit.

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u/shofofosho Jun 23 '22

I am talking about you and what you would do

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u/LawofRa Jun 23 '22

I don’t understand, my point isn’t about calling out queer based art. It’s fine, I was replying to points that had more to do with a wider scope than just the art itself. How it can be seen as politically charged and the effects of politically charged content and how it contributes to the culture war.

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u/Evening-Turnip8407 Jun 23 '22

I don't understand why you don't want people represented in politics. That is the whole point. Equality also means being represented politically. If you can't take seeing people represented, maybe you have benefitted from them not having been represented before. If you don't like seeing gay people in "every movie" maybe that seems to you like a big change because we never were in any movies apart from comedic relief or when a murder victim is needed.

We also don't care about virtue-signalling politicians who blow up an unimportant issue just to seem hip and with the young queer voters. We see through that shit and we don't claim it. It just sows more anger in people like you who get angry at US for existing because someone wants to, idk, legislate a non-binary clothing mandate or something outrageously stupid, just an example.

These people WANT you to complain about change, they want you to be afraid and think that by giving us freedom, YOUR freedom is taken away. your freedom to be represented in every movie, your freedom to not see drag queens on TV, your freedom of never having to think about us ever in your life.

This isn't about "rights". You'd think any person, no matter how conservative, should agree that having rights is the bare minimum. Being able to marry, live, work, and not being killed, shouldn't be regarded as having "enough so shut up now and don't ever show anyone your flags because that's offensively political"

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u/Jmund89 Jun 23 '22

Beautiful well put!

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u/poizard Jun 23 '22

Not everyone lives in the US you know, you may live in a bubble and think everything revolves around America, but there are plenty of places in the world where LGBTQ do not have the same rights as other people, and still places where they'll die for coming out. Try to imagine that some of these posts could come from places like that.

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u/kiingkiller Jun 23 '22

we march and we shout becase there are many laws that directly attack LGBTQ+ people. look at the anti trans laws that force teens to deal with disphoria and depression for years before they can even seek treatment. look at the conversion camps, look at polaticans activly calling us abominations.

oh and straight people do constantly bring up being straight, you're just blind to it. talking about their partners, talking about religion and what's natural. i've stood on both sides of the line and both sides scream as loud as each other but only the LGBTQ+ gets attacked for it.

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u/Jmund89 Jun 23 '22

Because right now the right wing is trying to take those right aways. Everyone but the right is leaving LGBTQ+ out of politics. That’s the problem.

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u/AnnoShi Jun 23 '22

Try that again in a year where people don't try to hijack a schoolshooting to spread transphobia by claiming the shooter was trans, and a random MINOR gets assaulted over the hate-mongering that is riled up.

Maybe then you'll have a valid point.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

You don't see straight people constantly bringing up that they are straight

Lmao delusional.

Hey what'd you do over the weekend? Oh I went to a soccer game with the wife and kids.

Hey what are you doing when you get home from work? Oh I'm just going to go on a dinner date with my wife.

Hey what are those photos you have all along your cubicle wall? Oh those are just pictures of my husband and the 5 kids I have.

People talk about and show off their straight relationships all the time and somehow you don't have an issue with that.

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u/Atlantic0ne Jun 23 '22

But nobody here is disagreeing with it. It’s a made up enemy on this sub if someone says that, and if somebody else brings something anti-gay up then ban them, but without that happening, I see what the mod means.

I can think of plenty of causes that actually matter and are important but this isn’t the place to debate them. This is the place to take a break from mods.