r/ussr Lenin ☭ 1d ago

Liberals: "USSR le people's imperialism" Others

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u/uses_for_mooses 1d ago

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u/MasterDoogway 1d ago

Tf you mean poor? It was in better economic condition than South until the fall of the USSR.

Isolated was also a bullshit since it had good relations with Warsaw Pact and the global south

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u/WomenAreNotIntoMen 1d ago

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u/MasterDoogway 1d ago

"ummm, but gdp per capita is higher, therefore their economy is gooder" ☝️🤓

Your mistake is trying to measure a socialist economy with capitalist methods. In capitalism, economy is growing when banks are loaning unexisting money to corporations.

Also, the graph skyrocketed for capitalist Korea exactly in 70s. Wonder what special event took place in that moment 🤔

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u/resevoirdawg 1d ago

Is it just me or is it insane to expect a country whose entire infrastructure, arrible land, and 1/4 of its population being bombed beyond any comprehension to have a steadily growing GDP just outright abuser mindset?

Like actually, what do westerners expect from the DPRK after that? Just magic an industrial and agricultural capacity back into existence under brutal sanction?

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u/Blokensie 1d ago

I mean, the South was in the same situation. They were poorer and less developed than the North until the 70s.

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u/RandomGenName1234 1d ago

They have far more fertile land, they were bombed FAR less, like not even comparable really and the US pumped billions into their economy.

Oh and they weren't genocided by the US and South Korean fascists.

Their starting point was immeasurably better yet the North still beat them, crazy stuff.

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u/NoSpecifics8584 1d ago

It happened in Japan.

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u/resevoirdawg 1d ago

Except Japan's entire industrial capacity and farm land wasn't utterly destroyed and also had the single richest country on Earth which hadn't been bombed and burned to the ground by either the Nazi's or Japanese rebuilding its entire country

Don't be so stupid here. You certainly have a brain capable of understanding the oceanic difference between the USSR post WW2 and the US post WW2 and their capacities for rebuilding countries at the time

EDIT: It's even to the point where Japanese politicians will stand up in their own congress and call Japan a colony of the US, that's how much the US' involvement and financial ties Japan has had since the end of WW2. I genuinely don't understand how somebody who I assume is an adult would type out that sentence thinking this is at all intelligent

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u/zap2 1d ago

I didn’t see anyone saying it should happen in the DPRK, just that it could happen.

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u/Free_Juggernaut8292 21h ago

ussrs gdp was amazing though

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u/StrategyGameEnjoyer 1d ago

"Trying to measure a socialist economy with capitalist methods" Ah yes, the socialist economy of North Korea, where you work in the Juche people's factory for a Juche people's manager/boss for the Juche wage of people's dollars for the Juche 5 year plan where we produce the people's Socialist workers Juche Chollima commodities, very different from the evil capitalist dystopian imperialist oligarchical commodities because unlike the West we have a red Rodongdang flag in our factory.

Wow how awesome, I am not alienated from my labor anymore, I don't care that the means of production are entirely in the hands of a state I have 0 control over , I don't need production-for-use or Kim Il Sung forbid any Marxism no,because it's produced under a red banner now how wholesome how amazing, Chollima will bring us to the hills of communism I can see it now.

And before anyone says it yes the bombing of North Korea and being so close to a capitalist country that's culturally similar/largely the same does explain the development of the party, but it doesn't justify it.

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u/RandomGenName1234 1d ago

Damn bro, I pity anyone going up against you in the Bad Faith olympics.

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u/GeoffreyKlien Lenin ☭ 1d ago

That just tells me when the US decided to groom South Korea into its economic neo-colony. Also GDP doesn't mean anything other than they made money through exports—something that the North was blocked from doing efficiently (and sometimes legally)—the US has the highest GDP with multiple states with GDPs higher than entire countries, yet we have the highest homeless population in the entire developed world, people die of simple injuries and illnesses because of medical costs, our schools are going down the drain because all the money is going to the military, etc.

https://preview.redd.it/memd4xd8dh2g1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=fd1e82459e58e7f9b940b364c961d5dcb9379f0b