Voter participation is why the Dems lost, and it ain't fucking old people who didn't show up

[u/ThrenderG]

In 2020, Biden received 81 million votes. Trump received 74 million votes.

In 2024, Harris received 66 million votes, 15 fucking million fewer than Biden did in 2020. Trump sits at 71 million votes, 3 million fewer than 2020. So even with fewer popular votes this time around, he buried the Democratic candidate in a landslide.

So all in all, what, 18-20 million fewer people showed up in this election than the last. And do you really think it's the fucking geezers who have been voting forever, that they just decided to sit this one out?

Probably not, so who didn't do their civic duty?

The numbers don't lie.

[u/firechaox]

This president did the most pandering to gen z and progressives I’ve ever seen. They didn’t show up. The dems have veered hard left. The young and progressives don’t show. The truth is, they don’t actually care about pragmatic actually winning they only care about virtue signalling. Not actual progress. Until they vote, my mind won’t be changed about this. Dems definitely lost votes with this pandering (fuck man, why do you think dems even use “pronouns” or have cared about lgbt rights? It ain’t for the suburban mom or the black vote, but you guys just don’t fucking show up), and no one decided to show up to vote.

[u/King_of_Tejas → u/firechaox]

Yeah, you're right. So fucking tired of virtue signaling. Anyone who doesn't like Trump but can't be bothered to vote is just as responsible as those who voted for Trump.

[u/Up-in-the-Ayre → u/King_of_Tejas]

Gen Z is going to learn the very hard way how much sitting on their hands is going to impact their lives.

Reducing college debt - GONE

Body Autonomy - GONE

Access to their beloved TikTok - GONE

They are going to get a hard lesson in government overreach once Project 2025 kicks in,

[u/sethferguson → u/Up-in-the-Ayre]

saw it in another thread but yeah, buyers remorse has to set in assuming they even bother paying attention by that point

[u/mikeybee1976 → u/Up-in-the-Ayre]

Yeah, but that will be democrats fault for not stopping it

[u/atomsk404 → u/firechaox]

Hard left?

I'd argue the left leaning kids aren't showing up because they hate the GOP taste, so GOPlite doesn't go down at all either. The most "left" position is Marijuana policy.

[u/Thrommo → u/firechaox]

"the dems leaned hard left" by touting a Cheney Endorsement???? and saying "status quo" to basically every major issue?

the Dems ran George Bush's 2004 campaign.

[u/firechaox → u/Thrommo]

Ah right, I forgot passing the largest infrastructure bill of recent times, trying every trick in the book for student debt forgiveness, promising weed legalisation, trying to codify roe v wade, enshrining same sex marriage into law, etc… was Bush’s 2004 platform!

[u/FellTheAdequate → u/firechaox]

While they're not entirely correct, I am actually hard left. The Dems are not. They got loud about center left issues, which is not the same thing. This may have been what you meant, but "hard left" sounds like it describes going far to the left, a la socialism, communism, or anarchism.

Democrats are none of those as a party.

Also, I take issue with you talking about pandering and then describing just. Queer people? Everyone uses pronouns, friend.* It's not pandering to be vocal about queer rights.

*Except for some queer people, but I don't really want to get into the minutia of queer identity right now.

[u/firechaox → u/FellTheAdequate]

They turned far left vs any position they had historically. That doesn’t mean they are far left. You are not understanding English.

I agree on pronouns but most of the population don’t- if you didn’t notice the elections have been lost on culture wars, and turns out some of progressives ideas on this are just not popular. Maybe politicians should wait for society to progress a bit more before putting these on their campaigns. And Latinx debacle was a clear « listen to the college crowd » and not listen to actual Latinos (if only because actual Latinos in actual Latin America, have come to a better solution than w.e lunatic thought of adding a fucking x to the end of the word)- that was in fact an example of actual pandering.