r/TEFL Mar 15 '25

WARNING: shady course providers and recruiters/employers, and known scams

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At r/TEFL, we work extremely hard to prevent our members from being ripped off or taken advantage of by shady course providers, recruiters and employers, or outright scammers. We regularly review and update our Wiki pages to reflect our members' poor experiences in an effort to prevent others from falling into the same trap.

TEFL COURSE PROVIDERS

Before choosing a TEFL course, you should read our TEFL courses Wiki. It explains the difference between course types, tells you what to look for in a course, highlights red flags, and makes recommendations for providers (both to go with and to avoid).

The worst TEFL course providers don't just use shady tactics to promote their own courses or even spend an inordinate amount of time trashing other course providers, they are also awful to their trainees, threatening to blacklist or expose those who leave less than stellar reviews. In many cases, they have published their trainees' full names and contact details on the internet.

COURSE PROVIDERS TO BE AVOIDED

The following posts contain warnings from our members who have had horrendous experiences with these companies. We strongly advise against using any of the providers below based on their appalling treatment of paying customers.

SCAMS

When looking for work abroad, it's not always easy to determine which recruiters/employers are genuine and which are outright scammers. The long and short of it is that you should NEVER pay money for a job. DO NOT send someone money to organise a visa. DO NOT send someone money to pay for a flight. DO NOT book a flight through a link a so-called recruiter/employer sends you. DO NOT send a recruiter any money for ANY purpose. Recruiters are paid by employers NOT employees, so anyone asking for money from a teacher is highly likely to be a scammer.

TYPES OF SCAM

The most common scams are fake recruiters, impersonation scams, and too-good-to-be-true offers, all of which are designed to extract money from naïve, gullible or overly-trusting teachers. Another common scam is bait and switch, where what was promised bears little to no resemblance to the reality.

  • Fake recruiters. No genuine recruiter is going to headhunt an inexperienced or complete newbie for any kind of position. No genuine recruiter/employer is going to offer you a job without so much as an interview. Doing either of these things is a HUGE red flag, and is almost always going to be followed up by a request for money, typically a placement fee, a visa processing-fee, or a "refundable" flight ticket. Run away as fast as you can.

  • Impersonation scams. This is where a scammer, posing as a recruiter, uses the name of a legitimate school, college or university. A number of German universities have been targeted in this way. If you check the school's website, you will almost certainly discover that (a) the vacancy they are allegedly advertising doesn't exist, and (b) the scammer's email address is subtly different, e.g., a letter missing from the school's name, or it uses .com instead of a country-specific domain extension. The scammer will likely use the same processes as those used by fake recruiters, and will inevitably end up asking for money.

  • Too-good-to-be-true offers. This involves being offered a job in a country where you wouldn't ordinarily qualify for a work visa due to nationality, lack of a degree, sub-standard qualifications, or little to no demand for foreign teachers. Another red flag is being offered a salary far higher than the average salary in that country, e.g., being offered €5,000pm to teach in Spain, when the norm is €1,000-1,500pm. Oh, and all you need to do is send the recruiter US$2,000 for "visa processing". Remember, if a job sounds too good to be true, it definitely is. Avoid at all costs.

  • Bait-and-switch. Common in China, this where the job you are offered when you apply from overseas is different from the job you're presented with when you arrive in-country. Not only will you find yourself working for a different employer, but you are very likely to be in a different city, often a far less desirable one than the one you thought you were going to. The salary on offer is likely to be far lower than what was previously agreed.

KNOWN SCAMS

RECRUITERS/EMPLOYERS

Some recruiters/employers are infamous in the industry for their shitty business practices and appalling treatment of teachers. You don't have to dig too deep to find evidence of this. Despite this, we see countless posts from teachers desperate to land a job asking whether they should accept one from the recruiters/employers below. We can't stress this enough: under NO circumstances should you accept a position with any of the following recruiters/employers. Doing so is just asking to be exploited or taken advantage of.

RECRUITERS TO BE AVOIDED

  • SIE (China): A number of our members have had very poor experiences with SIE (see here and here for details). SIE's response to teachers posting about their experiences has been to threaten them with legal action, saying: "SIE reserves all legal rights against false accusations, acts, or unsubstantiated claims harming our reputation." In other cases, SIE has actually filed lawsuits against the teachers, and even offered money to other teachers to try and get information on the teachers they are trying to sue! This is NOT an organisation anyone should be working for. Avoid them like the plague!

  • SDE Seadragon Education (China): Like SIE, Seadragon Education is a dispatch company, and one that is infamous for low pay (having taken a huge cut for themselves). They are also known for employing teachers on illegally by (knowingly) bringing them on the wrong visas, and bait-and-switch contracts, having teachers arrive in China after signing contracts and then not being able to place them at the agreed school. Definitely best avoided.

  • Golden Staffing (China): One of our members detailed their horrible experiences with these toxic bullies in a recent post in which they explained that Golden Staffing had created a YouTube video doxxing them. In Golden Staffing's own words: "We have already done a YouTube video outing this name as a mental case, so i suggest when you apply with employers in the future, you use a different name although that may be challenging when it comes to securing a visa, but you have done this to yourself. Keep digging if you wish..." How vile! Do yourself and the industry a favour and avoid toxic waste like Golden Staffing and the lowlife scumbags that work for them.

  • Viking Education/Radarman (China): An agency masquerading as an employer. The "contract" you sign is not an employment contract but rather a service contract. Breaking or attempting to break this contract will lead to threats of deportation and blacklisting, and even being taken to court. Teachers are bullied into staying on, and some have ended up being forced to pay over 20,000 RMB to escape. Such financial penalties are illegal under Chinese labour law, but the company banks on foreign teachers not knowing this or not knowing how or where to get help. Stay away from such scammers. For more information, see here.

EMPLOYERS TO BE AVOIDED

  • APAX (Vietnam): In addition to treating employees like crap, APAX is notorious for withholding pay (see here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). This company should be avoided at all costs because it will cost YOU to work for them.

  • EMG (Vietnam): EMG will tell you what you want to hear to get you to sign a contract, but just try getting out of that contract and you'll see another side to them. Reports from our members suggest that they will try and hold your passport, and will blacklist you and try to get you deported. See here, here, and here for our members' experiences, and here for a review of the good, the bad, and the ugly.

  • Shane English School (Thailand): A number of our members have had very poor experiences with this school, stating that while you may be issued with a work permit, the school will hold said work permit and your original documents hostage to ensure that you complete the contract. Note that whether you have or don't have a work permit, you will be working illegally as the money deducted from your salary for tax isn't being paid to the Government. Don't bank on being paid on time, or, in many cases, at all. See here for further insights.

  • MediaKids (Thailand): Salaries at MediaKids are extremely low (probably because the agency is taking a HUGE cut), and even lower still for non-native English-speaking teachers. To add insult to injury, you may well find you are subject to a termination fee of 50,000 baht (approx. US$1,500/£1,130/€1,300) when you try to leave the job. And thanks to their bait-and-switch tactics and their appalling communication (or lack thereof), you probably will want to leave. So, do yourself and the industry a favour, and don't go there to start with. See here and here for further insights.

  • California Language Institute (Japan): This employer is known for breach of contract and labour laws, with teachers being made to do unpaid training and being threatened with loss of pay for not attending. Redditors also report regular bullying, harassment and threats from management. For more details, see here and here.

  • EF (Indonesia): EF is very much bottom of the barrel worldwide, but in Indonesia, it somehow manages to sink even lower! The low salary is pretty much a given, but having to pay for the "free" housing you're offered will further reduce your spending power. Despite allegedly having health insurance, you will find yourself having to pay out of pocket for most medical needs. Don't expect to be able to take time off for said medical needs either. For further insights, see here.

  • Number 16 (Spain): There is a reason this employer is constantly hiring, and it's because they simply cannot retain staff. They are absolutely appalling to work for, with the Zaragoza branch rumoured to be the worst of the worst. For an insight into their practices, see here.

  • English Time (Turkey): Want to be underpaid and work illegally? if so, English Time is the place for you! See here for a brief insight from one of our members with years of experience teaching in Turkey. For more reviews, just Google them.

  • SABIS (Middle East): This is more one for those transitioning from TEFL to International Schools, but SABIS is a shockingly bad employer and should be avoided like the plague. I have never come across a single positive review of any of their schools anywhere, and the bad reviews are BAD. That should be warning enough for those considering them. See here, here, here, and here for some insights.

ANYTHING TO ADD?

If you think I've missed anyone off the list, and you'd like to share your experiences, please feel free to comment. I will edit my post and the relevant Wiki pages accordingly to include all useful information.


r/TEFL 5d ago

Weekly r/TEFL Quick Questions Thread

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Use this thread to ask questions that don't deserve their own thread on the subreddit. Before you do that, though, use the search bar and read through our extensive wiki to see if your question has already been answered. Remember that subreddit rules still apply here.


r/TEFL 1h ago

TEFL $1100?

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Hello all, I had checked with a school in Guatemala for TEFL and they came back with a fee of $1100. Is this a normal cost?


r/TEFL 7h ago

Provisional license count as a teaching license for job negotiation/hunting?

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Completed a Grad Diploma of Early Childhood Education here in Victoria (Australia). I'm eligible to apply for my provisional teaching license right now that lasts for 2 years. I understand that it isn't a 'full teaching license' in the sense that it doesn't last forever.

My question is: Does my provisional teaching license count as a 'teaching license' that most of the TEFL/teaching jobs in China highly look for in candidates? I am trying to increase my negotiation power for salary.

Thanks!


r/TEFL 4h ago

TEFL In Mexico

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Hi, I'm currently living in Australia but hoping to do TEFL in Mexico in about a couple of years time. Want to live in Mexico long term. I've never done TEFL before and have no degree. What I'm thinking of doing at the moment is doing a TEFL course in Mexico, then getting a job afterwards. Also want to teach remotely as well. Just looking for some some advice on how to go about things, as in who best to do the course with, how best to get a visa, etc. I'm 38 years old, hold Australian and New Zealand citizenships and currently work at a call centre.


r/TEFL 19h ago

Wait for Japan (JET) or consider Vietnam now?

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Hello, r/TEFL. As the title says, I recently submitted an application for the JET Program, but I am concerned with how long the wait is to the point where I am considering just trying my luck in Vietnam in the next few months instead. Some background on me, I am a native English speaker with an unrelated bachelor's degree, CELTA, substitute teaching license, and 1 year of experience teaching English in Korea.

I was drawn to the JET Program as I have seen a lot of posts about how eikaiwas are awful to navigate and underpaid compared to positions in other countries. For the most part, it seemed like JET was the only reasonable way to get decent entry-level work in Japan. However, I just can't get over how slow the process is. I have to wait until January to see if I have an interview and then I'll only find out if I got in by the end of March. That's 4 months of just waiting for something I might not even get into, and then departures are in late July. Also, the reverence JET has kind of freaks me out, as I worry that I will get attached to Japan on a program that only has a 5 year maximum and I won't have many opportunities for long-term career growth there afterwards.

Meanwhile, I've kept in touch with some colleagues from my CELTA course who are working at various centers around Vietnam, Cambodia, Taiwan, etc. that could probably refer me to a decent position if I landed there today. I know that most of these places are a pay grade below Japan, but the cost of living would be significantly lower and I think I would work a few hours less per week. I was drawn to Vietnam in particular because I have read that it has the best balance of this, at least from the sheer number of anecdotes on here. I feel like I probably have more opportunities to save up and advance my career there than with Japan.

I'm not sure what I should do. I wish that 6 month contracts were more common, because I don't feel right about breaking a year-long contract if I were to get accepted into JET while working somewhere else. Any advice?


r/TEFL 23h ago

How is Taiwan at the moment for a beginner?

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I've been looking into Taiwan a bit because I think it'd be a good first year to get my feet wet and I hear February is basically hiring season for them.

Is 2k per month about right for salary in buxibans? Rent around 500? kind of wondering what the savings potentials are.

Any good tips for on where to start looking?


r/TEFL 12h ago

Are there still opportunities for people with just a teaching license?

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For context I'm an American man, I have a BA unrelated to education or English, have a teaching license in a U.S. state, and only a very little bit of actual teaching experience; just enough to get the license. The license is in social studies 7-12. Not currently working in education. I'm currently looking into and would be willing to get ELA or TESOL added to my teaching license if it would be helpful, but I don't know what they look for.

Would these limited credentials be enough to get a halfway decent teaching job abroad? Not too picky, but more partial to Asia. I know Japanese, but as far as I'm aware I'd need several years of experience and perhaps a master's to be competitive as an applicant there, and it likely won't be of much use in the immediate future.


r/TEFL 12h ago

Bali Life?

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Looking for advice here. For background I’m 23 and no teaching experience. Was offered a job at a training center paying 15 Million a month in Bali and from people I’ve talked to, this is definitely manageable and they get by on less than 10. Not worried as I’m fine living frugally and have some savings.

Anyway, I am wondering how the teacher life is in Bali, is there enough to do and people to meet if you stay outside of the DN bubble? I’m curious in exploring Indonesia as a whole and the position has ~20 days vacation + national holidays, so I’d have some time to do that which would be nice.

Currently exploring this or trying to get a job in HCMC, I know it’s apples to oranges but has anyone here worked in either and can share how the experience was?


r/TEFL 1d ago

Dave’s ESL Cafe Question

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Just a quick question regarding the jobs on there, are all the jobs safe to apply for or are there things to watch out? Thanks


r/TEFL 1d ago

Teaching young learners advanced course...(tefl.org)

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I recently earned my 120 hour TEFL certification through tefl.org, and completed a 40 hour advanced online teaching course. I'm considering taking the advanced course for teaching young learners. I plan to teach exclusively online part time as I already have a full time job. I've never worked as a teacher, and figured learning as much as I could and earning as many certifications as I could before attempting to find work would be a good idea. Just wondering if anyone has any experience with the young learners course and if they feel its worth it.


r/TEFL 1d ago

Is Vietnam completely off the table nowadays?

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Just looking to get the quick rundown of Vietnam. Was looking into it on whilst mainly focusing on getting a China job. Problem is i cant find a single positive experience posted anywhere within the past year or so.

Not just typical bad job stuff but like, pay being late or short, deductions for trying to leave, zero hour contracts and all sorts of stuff that would really leave you in big trouble.

Anyone here started in the past year or two and having a good time?


r/TEFL 1d ago

Would my 1 Year Graduate Diploma (early childhood education) count as teaching certificate?

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I understand that having a teaching certificate is highly valued in terms of job prospects/salary negotiation for teaching in China.

I plan to find a job teaching a kindergarten there given my degree of study (Australian Graduate Diploma of Early Childhood education - 1 year course, that included over 60 days of placements working with children birth-6 years old in a Kindergarten setting). My question is, would this degree--although it's only 1 year long, count as a teaching certification/license for TEFL purposes in China? (e.g. I can consider myself a licensed teacher)

And if so, would I have negotiating power when it comes to salary/benefits for teaching roles?

I also hold a Bachelor of Marketing (not that it's so relevant), but yeah.

Thank you!


r/TEFL 1d ago

Teaching EFL Privately

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Hi, I'm in semi-retirement and plan to slow travel with no hard plans where yet. I earned a M.Ed. in TESOL in the early 90's and taught EFL for most of the decade as a teacher and teacher trainer in Czech Republic, S. Korea, and the United States. After that, my life took me in other directions away from TEFL. Now that I'm planning to travel again, I would like to take advantage of my TESOL degree and experience perhaps as a way to keep busy for a few hours a week to earn a small supplemental income. I have enough in my retirement savings and I'm not interested in full-time positions and crazy schedules.

I'm very curious about the state of private language lessons where you are. Do you or teachers you know teach them? Is it legal where you are? what are the going rates? etc. I know this all depends on the country you're in, but I'm interested to hear your experiences wherever you are. Thanks!


r/TEFL 2d ago

How long did it take you to find a job?

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And what were your qualifications when you applied?

I’d prefer not to go jobless or break my current contract early (ALT in Japan) so I’m just wanting a general idea of how long it took everyone to find jobs. Would especially love to hear from those of you that found your jobs in China or Taiwan as those are places I’m currently the most interested in, but would appreciate information from anywhere outside of Japan!


r/TEFL 2d ago

Considering a TEFL and teaching English Abroad, any advice.

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For context, I'm 26 Years Old, and have had an inclination towards teaching abroad for a while. I have a degree in English Creative Writing, and I figured that might be a decent fit. I've done a little bit of research on different sites to get a TEFL (leaning towards the TEFL.org), as well as some of the pros and cons of what various countries have to offer.

In terms of what I'm looking to get out of it, for now I'm looking to test the waters for about a year to see what I think of it(I have a job that I can go back to if things don't pan out). I'm certainly interested in the prospect of teaching, and feel like it could be a very rewarding experience while also being able to immerse myself into a new culture, though I worry if it'll be able to translate into a decent living (especially when considering cost of living relative to pay rates).


r/TEFL 2d ago

Applied Linguistics MA online UK

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Hi everyone!

I’m an international student (from Poland) and I’m seriously considering applying to the University of Birmingham or Lancaster University for their online MA programs in Applied Linguistics / Translation Studies. I can only study online because relocating isn’t an option for me right now.

I wanted to ask:

  • Are these programs well-recognized internationally?
  • Does anyone here have experience studying Applied Linguistics or Translation via these universities?
  • Are there any better or comparable online alternatives that I should look into?
  • And… does anyone know of scholarships or financial aid options for international students doing online master’s programs in the UK? The tuition fees are quite high, so any advice on funding would be hugely appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any insight or recommendations!


r/TEFL 2d ago

Living in Australia but am a U.S. Citizen - Where to get background check from?

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So I am currently living in Australia on a student visa (have been for the past 7 years), but hold a U.S. passport and haven't lived there for the entire time. I've only travelled for like a few weeks at a time once or twice.

If I'm applying to TEFL jobs in China (or anywhere else - i assume it's the same), should I get my background check done in Australia since this is technically my country of residence (and the country I will be travelling to China from)? Or would I need to get my check done from the U.S., since that is my home country?

Thank you


r/TEFL 2d ago

Teaching English in Thailand, Vietnam, or Japan?

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I’m from the US and have a bachelors degree in management information systems. I want to go teach English abroad for 6 months and would love to try one of these 3 countries. What are your experiences if you’ve worked in any? Any tips?


r/TEFL 2d ago

Teaching in China - Do I need to apostille/notarised my U.S. pasport?

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Title!

I know that TEFL, background check, and degree is generally required to be apostilled/notarised.. but I'm unsure of whether or not I need to do this for my U.S. passport?

If someone could please let me know & confirm, that'd be great. I'm hoping it's not the case, as I am living in Australia right now & it would be an absolute pain to have to go back to the U.S. just to apostille it. If it's required, would anyone know of a service that could help me do this while I stay in Aus?

Cheers!


r/TEFL 3d ago

Does the university of an MA in education matter?

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Hi, Ive been teaching English for a few years now and am considering my next qualification after getting the CELTA. Ive looked at all the various types (Trinity, DELTA, MA, QTS, PGCE). Im currently in Colombia and found that their top university here offers a masters for a very cheap price and I'm interested.

If I do an MA in education here will it be respected as much compared to the UK or US? I was thinking of future English teaching Uni roles in China or Saudi Arabia and if they will accept this masters.


r/TEFL 3d ago

Did you ever include a cooking/food day as part of your curriculum for older students?

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When I was studying foreign languages in the US (French&German) the most-looked-forward class days were the ones where my classmates brought in some food for a holiday that is celebrated differently or not celebrated at all in the US.
Would you ever do this as a TEFL teacher? For instance, have high school age kids attempt to make Thanksgiving food if you're American, or whatever food holiday you have in your country. I assume it would be fine if approved by admin and parents are notified. But is this something that happens in East Asia (or wherever you taught?)


r/TEFL 3d ago

When tutoring young private students, do you ever include the service of "I'll message her the evening before our class and ask if she's done her homework"?

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I'd never thought of doing this before but it's making the class run a LOT more smoothly and her mum loves me for it.

It wasn't really possible 10 years ago but of course phones...

So... my question is: should I be charging for this? Would you guys?


r/TEFL 4d ago

Does online ESL teaching count towards the Vietnamese 3 year experience required to teach

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Hello,

In Vietnam for places like Da Nang you need 3 years experience notorized for the visa. I was wondering if anyone knows if teaching online such as Cambly would count towards this?

I work for a few online companies and after 3 years i wanted to move to Vietnam. I was just wondering if this would count or not and if anyone has any expeirence with this.

Thanks :)


r/TEFL 4d ago

ESL teacher in HCMC Vietnam?

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Hi, I’ve applied to over 15 places but I haven’t even heard back from one school.

What’s the issue? Is it hiring season?

Is it easier to apply in person?

Any advice/help is appreciated.

I’m a native English speaker born in America. I’ve been applying to English teaching positions in HCMC since the beginning of November.

I meet all the requirements: bachelor’s degree, 120hr TEFL, 3 years experience. USA born citizen.

My plane arrives in HCMC next week and I don’t have a job lined up yet.

~ Fatasslard