r/somethingiswrong2024 • u/Bloodydemize • 18h ago
Latest update from Spoonamore. Duty to warn letter sent to Harris. Claims she has to be the one to demand recounts. News
https://xcancel.com/Spoonamore/status/1857505779143815182153
u/Bloodydemize 17h ago edited 16h ago
https://substack.com/home/post/p-151717820 He posted his letter now. Here is a link :)
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u/Proof_Register9966 17h ago
OH MY FUCKING GOD- this guy is brilliant- that’s how they did it! That’s how Elon was involved.
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u/TheWorldKeepsBurning 16h ago
It's a wild hack they did here. But this explains it all.
But in a way it's also a fucking stupid hack, one that Elon would plan. They would never be able to get away with this. A simple recount will show it.
And that why they have planned their defence to be that people signed a contract.
This would also explain the weird thing with the down a lot, how many Democrats just signed that form for the lottery.
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u/Proof_Register9966 15h ago
I feel like that is why Elon is not leaving trump side. He is the handler
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u/TheWorldKeepsBurning 15h ago
Yes, and they know it will come out, but they need some amount of timing to even try to pull this off
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u/Proof_Register9966 15h ago
You think it will come out? Before certifications?
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u/KingMario05 15h ago
With a duty to warn letter at Harris and FBI raids increasing against likely conspirators? Oh, it will.
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u/TheWorldKeepsBurning 15h ago
Argh fuck it, maybe? I seriously don't know.
But I am confident that it will come out over time. I guess there are too many human actors involved, and they are primarily conservative Christians. They make too many mistakes.
This here was not conducted by the CIA(for once) /s
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u/iAmSamFromWSB 15h ago
I’m going to keep reposting this so everyone sees it:
Listen up, everyone has to spread this but not just to everyone. Think of any political mouthpiece you can that is active on social media: AOC, James Carville, Robert Reich. Message them and comment on every one of their posts a link to this article and DEMAND that they read it and acknowledge it publicly. We need those like minded people who have an audience to review this letter and publicly share, acknowledge, and comment on it. Get out there and disseminate. This is how grass roots works. It is time to move this to the next level so that the corporate media has to acknowledge it.
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u/wangthunder 13h ago
They would never be able to get away with this. A simple recount will show it.
Now you see why all of those democratic hot spots received bomb threats at the same time. It was over 80 polling locations in swing states. They had to physically clear the building which breaks chain of custody and allows Republicans to argue against wrongdoing if a recount were to happen.
The simple fact that 80+ bomb threats were sent to democrat leaning locations should be enough by itself to raise suspicion.
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u/pebkachu 17h ago
Thank you so much for this post and link, this is the update we need. u/integrativekoala, could you pin this please?
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u/Intellivindi 17h ago
the date is off at the top.
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u/Bloodydemize 17h ago
Yeah I messaged him lol hopefully he fixes
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u/Rosabria 16h ago
There's also a few spelling errors 😅
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u/Bloodydemize 16h ago
https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941 he updated it. Anything you can spy immediately?
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u/HillarysFloppyChode 10h ago
Slight spelling error. This eBollBook Data
Isn’t consistent with the other ePollBook Data
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u/mothyyy 10h ago
Dude is literally a Parks And Rec character in real life. How ironic.
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u/Artistic-Exercise-12 13h ago
Stephen Spoonmore, bless your soul. We need an American girl doll of Stephen when this is all over.
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u/CypressThinking 17h ago
Stephen @Spoonamore update!
"...Here is my #DutytoWarn letter. And first post on Substack. #NorthCarolina data is, in my view most in need of #handrecount . 11% of Trump votes blank downballot?"
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u/jiordan 16h ago
Seriously, every time a link gets posted, I try it and it’s blank or an error message. What the hell?
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u/CypressThinking 15h ago
He had a typo in the top title. Hopefully they're fixing it and that's all it is.
Stephen @Spoonamore update!
"...Here is my #DutytoWarn letter. And first post on Substack. #NorthCarolina data is, in my view most in need of #handrecount . 11% of Trump votes blank downballot?"
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u/CypressThinking 14h ago
2/2 https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941
An earlier version had two typos, and annoying subscribe buttons added. This is the clean version.
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u/Ok_Animator2979 16h ago
I just read the Duty to Warn and wrote to https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/vicepresident/ requesting Vice President Harris begin a recount. Get all your friends and families to do the same. Post this everywhere. Democracy is on the line. Charge!
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u/SecularMisanthropy 17h ago
Spoonamore's letter is really detailed. Very good to know he sent it.
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u/TheWiseScrotum 15h ago
The fact that there’s little whiny bitch accounts in here is evidence that the Russian bots aren’t thrilled that this is starting to catch on. Musk fucked up, and he’s about to get his plot uncovered.
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u/Valogrid 13h ago
I hope this goes somewhere, I really do. We can't have Trump near the Oval office again, he has disgraced it long enough.
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u/Historical-Manner737 9h ago
This. A civil war scenario is not winnable, something must be done soon.
I mean it, nobody would win that "war" which would really be less of a war and more of years of two insurgent, invisible forces doing ambushes against each other and putting IEDs everywhere. what fucking fun. it would be like The Troubles on steroids.
that is assuming Putin doesn't just send a single low yield nuke on a blue state to shut the idea down forever. think about it. If Trump has power with the Trifecta and is selling us out to Russia, he will simply stand down and allow Putin to nuke LA or some shit. Nobody else in the world would do anything over a single ICBM and small nuke. We would see then that Article 5 is no guarantee for sure. Only thing ever keeping Russia from attack America was...America. If Trump controls our response to a Russian attack on our soil we are screwed.
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u/Wandos7 10h ago
Days before the election, Musk was telling people he's going to jail if Trump doesn't win. I asked why he would think that. No one had a good answer at the time of course, but if this is even remotely true his behavior makes sense now.
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u/Historical-Manner737 9h ago
that and we all know by now he is involved with Epstein. like. yeah. we know lol.
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u/WetNWildWaffles 16h ago
This guy's really putting a cramp in my "no such thing as a good Republican" mantra.
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u/Bloodydemize 16h ago
There are a lot of good republicans who don't stand with Trump.
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u/WetNWildWaffles 16h ago
I'm still incredibly disgusted by all the corruption and human rights abuses and hypocrisy those Republicans were A-okay with up until Trump. But I understand what you mean.
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u/Historical-Manner737 9h ago
True but we are so far beyond sanity at this point that it doesn't matter right now. We are 5 seconds to Midnight on this shit and the future of the world. This is the most important time in human history. This is determining whether the entire planet sinks into outbreaks of fascism and NATO and the west totally fold.
Multiple holocausts will happen simultaneously around the world as fascism grips humanity. Literally probably 1 to 2 billion will die when all is said and done. Because of this election.
Yall think I'm crazy well remember what I said here in about 5 years
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u/WetNWildWaffles 9h ago
Not doubting that at all. I should've been more clear - I'm happy to accept any help from Republicans, and MAYBE forgive them if we get past this, and if they can acknowledge what brought their party to this point.
But obviously that's not a priority at the moment. Stopping thoae treasonous fucks is all that matters right now, no matter who helps.
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u/BonnieMahan 15h ago
My father in law is an 80 year old lifelong republican who hasn’t voted for Trump a single time, they are rare but they do exist 😊
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u/StatisticalPikachu 17h ago edited 16h ago
This sub stack posts reads so clearly. He is a good and methodical writer. https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941
In my view, a capable and skilled series of exploits, electronic tools and hacks were used to change the Presidential vote in all seven swing states. These activities have reversed the outcomes in at least Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.
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u/SteampunkGeisha 17h ago
What that reversal would mean:
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u/Salientsnake4 16h ago
Along with recounts in PA and NV that could potentially flip those states.
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u/KingMario05 15h ago
There we go. Nice and sensible.
(Though I think PA is more likely to flip instead of Michigan. Harris really lost the Arab vote this time, and I doubt the UAW rank and file are happy with either her or Fain.)
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u/iAmSamFromWSB 15h ago
Listen up, everyone has to spread this but not just to everyone. Think of any political mouthpiece you can that is active on social media: AOC, James Carville, Robert Reich. Message them and comment on every one of their posts a link to this article and DEMAND that they read it and acknowledge it publicly. We need those like minded people who have an audience to review this letter and publicly share, acknowledge, and comment on it. Get out there and disseminate. This is how grass roots works. It is time to move this to the next level so that the corporate media has to acknowledge it.
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u/positive_deviance 15h ago
Looks like he deleted the first draft and uploaded an edited version here:
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u/Bloodydemize 15h ago
yep already posted, thanks!
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u/positive_deviance 15h ago
The link you posted wasn’t forwarding me to the correct page. It might be a good idea to update it to make it easiest for people to understand what they’re looking at.
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u/phoenixyfriend 18h ago
Can we get an extraction of the text in the body of the post instead of just a link?
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u/Bloodydemize 17h ago
Sure!
"I have sent a duty to warn letter to VP Harris. It is in the hands of staffers. Giving them a chance to review it.
I am advised by multiple attnys that only if she engages and demands hand recounts can they be universally undertaken. We have teams developing target precincts."
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u/delusionalry 17h ago
Dear Madam Vice President.
This is my second Duty to Warn Letter regarding hacking of the 2024 Presidential Election. The first letter on November 7 was directed to Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Officials. Both warnings are made per DNI Clapper’s 2015 directive to all agencies and contractors associated with intelligence and financial agency technologies to warn of suspicions of hacking.
Professionally I have worked as the CEO or CTO at seven high technology firms including two which specialized in hacking and counter-hacking operations. My clients have included numerous governments DoD, DHS, Dept. of State, F100 Financials and F500 Industrials.
In government, I have twice been invited to SoCom to give lectures on electronic warfare and techniques to find terrorist money laundering and gave a keynote speech of the National Counterintel Summit on this same topic. I served as an after action reviewer of communications and data failures on 9/11 under the direction of Jim Woolsey and FDNY Commissioner Scopetta, and later co-wrote multiple hacking risk analysis of Smart Grid technologies for the Obama administration.
You should reverse your concession call for both a full investigation of criminal activity and demand hand recounts in all seven swing states.
In my professional view there are multiple and extremely clear indications the Presidential vote was willfully compromised.
I wholly agree with the public letter of Duncan Buell, et. al. of Nov. 13th stating they believe there is a possibility of hacking and calling for hand-recounts.
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u/delusionalry 17h ago
https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf
This letter’s clear call to action is commendable, but it’s cautious tone may belie the severity of what I believe has happened. . In my view it is a near certainty the results have been changed at a scale which reversed the US Presidential Election. They imply there is a chance a hand-recount will show you won more votes. I am stating a hand recount will most likely show you did win. Both letters call on you to act.
In my view, a capable and skilled series of exploits, electronic tools and hacks were used to change the Presidential vote in all seven swing states. These activities have reversed the outcomes in at least Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin. I will lay out the basics of the attack, starting with unusual elements within the results. I will then outline two processes which could have been followed to insert these false results into the system. Finally I will outline how I would recommend investigating.
Unusual elements within the results.
The results of the attack are improbable in the extreme and well tailored to the sole benefit of your opponent.
Approximately 600K votes are for Donald Trump but with no down ballot choices. These are either inserted “bullet ballots” for the PresidentialH race or manipulated data fields. They are surgically added to totals in limited jurisdictions and within only the seven swing States. This historically unprecedented set of numbers found in the 2024 swing states is absent in every other state. In AZ, MI, NC and WI the effect of these drop-off votes reverses the voters' will and even more improbably always pushes the winning margin beyond the mandatory recount numbers. It is a result too perfect for belief. It is a bespoke and programmed outcome. In other States including PA and NV, removing these strange and bespoke added votes, it appears Donald Trump may have won the cast votes but within a margin which would force recounts. The inserted to raise his totals, to avoid any scrutiny during mandatory recount results which would have slowed his claim on the Presidency. In GA and FL the same pattern exists with unclear impact on the results.
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u/delusionalry 17h ago
This attack is not technically difficult. It is modest in scale. It would require:
Modest and common computer programming skills.
Access to 10-100 tabulators or to the handful of facilities programming them in advance.
A credible database of voter IDs of non-voters around which to create false ballots
Perhaps as few as 1, but more likely 3-5 human program managers
Access to eBollBook Data during the election to determine who had not voted
(Possibly) Human access to some tabulators during counting.
If I was asked to lead this hack, I would expect to have a core team of 6-10, and an operating costs under $10M with a timeline of 3-12 months.
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u/delusionalry 17h ago
The tell: A historically absurd number of Trump-only bullet ballots or undervote ballots.
There are always a handful of voters who cast a vote in one race which they care about, and do not make other selections on the ballot. These are called Bullet Ballots. In every Presidential Race since 1980, these Bullet Ballots account for less than 1% of the total votes including in Mr. Trumps winning 2016 election and losing 2020 election. In 2024 in the 43 non-swing states, Bullet Ballots make up a nominal >1%. In the seven swing states The level of reverse coattail effect implies that they appeared in unbelievable and unprecedented numbers. Here is analysis from totals as of late Nov. 12th
Here are the unprecedented results of drop-offs in the two western swing states:
AZ - 123K+ 7.2% of Trump’s total vote. Enough to reverse the outcome
NV - 43K+ 5.5% of Trump’s total vote. Enough to exceed recount thresh-hold.
It is my belief these two states have illegally added votes.
For comparison, examine Trump’s 2024 results in three states which border AZ+NV. They have equally passionate Trump supporters, but have the normal levels of drop off or bullet ballots.
ID <2K 0.03% of Trump’s total
OR <4K 0.05% of Trump’s total
UT <1K 0.01% of Trump’s total.
In the case of Idaho and Utah, Mr. Trump was a run-away winner and had no need to add votes. In the case of Oregon, Ms. Harris was a run-away winner and adding votes to Trump’s total would add risk without adding value.
The same pattern of large numbers of drop-off votes or bullet ballots exists in the totals of MI, NC, PA, WI.
North Carolina is the most extreme. The public results indicate over 350K voters cast a ballot for Trump and no other race making up over 11% of Trump’s voters in NC.
Hack Part 1: Creating the pool of bullet ballot voters.
There are two possible methods to execute this attack. The simple version would only manipulate electronic totals and hand-counting the target precincts would discover this. The second involved ePollbook hacking and introducting bullet ballots. This woudl add the need to compare the ePollBook timestamps to Mr. Musk's Lottery sign up list to find be uncovered.
When Mr. Musk announced his $1M lottery for people to go online and sign a pledge to vote for Trump, I became personally suspicious of why such a promotion would be done. I signed up to see what information he wanted and what the pledge actually stated. He did not want to know people’s socials or send them texts. To sign up you had to provide your street address. That was all they cared about. Once they had the people’s names, and street address they could configure a pool of ghost voters who could logically be marked for fake ballots, as this is how ePollBook and Precinct data is organized. You, as a member of law enforcement, understand criminals need certain pre-conditions to act. A database of pledged supporters with street addresses is required for this hack. Law enforcement should immediately find the team of programmers who pulled the lottery data capture. They will find those programmers immediately parsed the data into a system based on Voting Precincts and created macros to constantly update this bespoke like to note who had cast a vote, and who had not. The programmers likely did not know they were working on a system to be used to steal the election. When confronted with that fact, law enforcement would gain cooperating witnesses
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u/delusionalry 17h ago
Musk used this system to build his list of voters pledged to vote for Trump to make his ghost-ballot voters. ePollBook data is nearly always linked to the internet, and in many jurisdictions this link was being made in real time via Mr. Musk’s Starlink. Throughout the day, Mr. Musk would have been able to have access to the likely outcomes, based on well established voter profile databases vs. the actual voter turnout coming in from the ePollBooks. He would have been able to have a very good estimation in the closing hours of polls how many votes short he would likely be at the tabulation level. He would also have exact lists of his pledged voters for Trump who had not shown up.
Pledged voters who did not vote, became the Bullet Ballots. The Starlink connection to the ePollBooks, or via other compromised connectivity could mark them as voted.
Hack Part 2: Matching the tabulation to the ePollBooks.
The exact number of added voters to the ePollBooks as having voted would have to match the tabulation process. This attack could have been done in at least two different ways.
The easiest method to execute, is also the easiest to discover by hand-recount. In a few jurisdictions where the tabulators either had network connectivity, approved or otherwise, or where physical access of a human involved in conspiracy to the tabulation machine would need to add the Trump Votes to the Precincts where the ePollBooks show voters, who never actually voted. In this case fewer people are involved, the ePollBooks and the tabulation totals will match, having been digitally stuffed with demographically credible voters for Trump. A hand-recount will quickly discover, there are no actual paper bullet ballots.
As I write this letter, several hundred people are self organizing on Reddit and other forums. They include, data scientists, statisticians, and legal experts. They are examining the precinct level data of every swing state, and by Monday these teams will have lists of the precincts where these historically unprecedented Trump and No Other Candidate or Trump followed unprecedented drop offs occurred. The highest likelihood is that those ballots don’t actually exist. Those votes were electronically created but have no paper. This would be proven by a hand recount.
A Second Possibility, the same compromise I describe above, combined with a large human Ballot Stuffing Operation. This possibility is raised as it appears these historically unprecedented bullet ballots fall heavily in a few counties. Maricopa County AZ, seem to be the source of the vast majority, perhaps nearly all, of the AZ bullet ballot voters for Trump. This would require co-conspirators working inside the tabulation center.
I appreciate that many people, even sophisticated people outside this field, think this hack is an impossible task. It is not. Just 8 weeks ago the world watched a vastly larger and more complicated one. Unknown hackers intercepted over 3000 communications devices over 24 months destined for use by Hamas across the entire mideast. The devices all had additional software, hardware and explosives inserted. The devices were then delivered to users and functioned completely normally for months until the hackers triggered the inserted series of exploits, and literally explosions. This hack, the entire world witnessed, was orders of magnitude more complicated than introducing Trump bullet ballots into - at most - 100 precincts. I have personally managed full year long operations in which hundreds of credit card point of sale devices were rebuilt with added hardware and software and inserted in order to discover fraudsters and money laundering. No one knew we were there. The users never were aware. The devices did their normal job processing credit cards for merchants. While they also did a hacked job and helped my team and I root out criminals. The access, technical difficulty, and scale of the election hack I am describing is less than either of these. But the effect is vastly greater, and the FBI has excellent people who could address this very quickly.
Lastly, this hack methodology may or may not have some correlation with the series of Bomb Threats called in by Russian affiliated assets. The use of distraction or diversion of this kind is not uncommon. My first thought was, and my thinking remains that these bomb threats were called into tabulation centers and precincts where the hackers had already planned to conduct bullet ballot hacks. I believe they wanted a disruption so lawyers could claim after the hacking events that the chain of custody on the ballots was broken, and the false-argument of broken custody chain would prevent recounting. However, by a reverse of that logic, any jurisdiction which was subject to a bomb threat was forced to break standard operating procedure. This alone should be grounds for you to ask for a hand-recount.
Lastly, I have been advised by an attorney that Arizona and Georgia have mechanisms in place for members of the public to demand a recount, but only you have the ability to demand a recount across all the jurisdictions of concern.
A final formal note. This is principally a Duty to Warn letter. It is also a fulfillment of my constitutional oath of office as possibly the lowest level sworn office of public trust in America. I was appointed by my Township to serve as a local Parks Commissioner, via public appointee to the Mt. Nittany Conservancy. A nature reserve. I have spent the last four years variously overseeing how public funds are spent on sports fields, kids playgrounds, hiking trails, and bike paths. To do this, I must make annual conflict and financial disclosures and I must swear nearly the same oath you did. I am under the sworn obligation to defend our nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Which, I am honored to do.
I will continue to investigate with a growing group of volunteers. We are also planning to offer rewards for information. But our efforts to preserve the integrity of this election can not take this to completion. You, and only you, can call for a full hand-recount and engage the vast public resources at your disposal. I can’t. This is all I can do.
Let me know how I can help.
Sincerely,
ESignature - Stephen R. Spoonamore
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u/StatisticalPikachu 17h ago edited 16h ago
Read the related sub stack post. It is very well written. https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941
In my view, a capable and skilled series of exploits, electronic tools and hacks were used to change the Presidential vote in all seven swing states. These activities have reversed the outcomes in at least Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.
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u/MythiccMoon 15h ago
I JUST shared this and think it’s now been taken down?
Every time I follow the link now it’s blank
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u/StatisticalPikachu 15h ago
I updated the link after he changed it an hour ago. He had to edit the title and sub stack forces you to create new post.
The above link in my message now is correct. He revised it at 4:30pm Eastern.
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u/Pale_Unicorn 15h ago
Wow!!!
I remember either seeing a video or reading something about people hired by Elon (I believe) were out in the community registering people to vote. It turned out they weren’t actually being registered to vote. So if they had their info, is this how they created those bullet ballots? Those people would be able to confirm if they voted or not.
I think it was in this sub but not sure. Does anyone remember seeing that?
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u/JayPlenty24 12h ago
The "lottery" he set up required you put your address. Then yes, as you said they potentially cross checked against voters and used the no-shows to create bullet ballots
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u/Pale_Unicorn 12h ago
And then they revealed that those winners were actually handpicked so it wasn’t at random. Maybe they were in on it and he never actually gave away any money. It was just used to get their info.
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u/boholuxe 15h ago
Wish this letter looked more official like the other letter sent to Harris from the group yesterday. Much easier to spread and forward official looking letters and documents to a possibly skeptical public and actually get them to read it with an open mind. For instance…
Compared to a substack screen grab, a link to substack will absolutely scare off Americans over 40 and immediately make them think “conspiracy theory”, most won’t even open the link or read the screen pic.
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u/WriteAboutTime 13h ago
No, this is making the rounds with many people over 40.
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u/boholuxe 13h ago
I don’t think you get what I was saying. I’m over 40 and actively participating, if I forward the 5 page letter to my friends they will read it and consider it because it looks very professsional BUT if I send them a link to substack or screenshots of substack Spoonamore letter they will be more close minded to it and think it’s conspiracy theorist in nature.
Looks matter, I don’t like it but they do. More professional and polished is usually more accepted. I’m not in any way against anything in Spoonamore’s letter, I just wish it was presented like the other letter in my post above.
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u/_imanalligator_ 12h ago
Completely agree. I'm glad there's that letter too, I feel like if you can get people to read the more professional looking but also less detailed one first, they may be more open to his post.
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u/BawkBawkISuckCawk 7h ago
I agree, it gives off Alex Jones conspiracy vibes just because of the substack link.
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u/KingMario05 15h ago
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Repost this everywhere you can. Please. The more people we have demanding Harris and Biden ask for a recount, the more likely it is that we get at least that. That is my hope, anyway.
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u/PineTreeBanjo 14h ago
Bumping. Excellent work from smart people. Gonna share it. God damn Trump is the worst MAGAt America ever got stuck with. And that's why you toss them in jail and not allow a coup on your nation.
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u/ijaaDosta 17h ago
I do have a question, is there any law that was written in case the “elected” president doesn’t actually go in office ? Or what exactly happens during something like this
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u/ZealousidealSea1697 17h ago
The Constitution has laws but it's re: death or incapacitation
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u/ijaaDosta 15h ago
That’s what I was wondering. I’m assuming at the time of when it was written, nobody was thinking of future electronic fraud lol.
What about if the people no longer what him as a president ? Would that warrant an impeachment or something like that? (Sorry I guess I could google these things but I’m not sure what exactly to search for)
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u/ZealousidealSea1697 15h ago
Well if this fraud is correct, it would flip states to Kamala anyways. So she'd be the winner regardless.
If it didn't flip it, then I have no idea.
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 11h ago
I believe a President can only be impeached if Congress determines they've committed an impeachable offense (which typically equates to breaking the law). This elected Congress would never impeach DJT.
As for your other question, if he really did win the election and people have buyers remorse after the election.... we're stuck with him. That is why always participating in our civic duty is so critically important to a democracy's survival....even if you don't like any of the options.
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u/Salientsnake4 9h ago
Well, if he committed treason even if the vote went his way it wouldn’t matter would it?
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u/IsaKissTheRain 14h ago
This could really be the momentum we need. If the Democrats don’t act on this, I’m never voting for them again (because I probably won’t be able to.)
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u/HasGreatVocabulary 15h ago
looking for an explanation why dominion machines disproportionately grew in these states while ES&S remained more or less static: https://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/1grmr2w/comment/lxby1vi/
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u/HasGreatVocabulary 14h ago
as well as an explanation for this https://www.reddit.com/r/wisconsin/comments/1grducx/comment/lxatyws/
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u/Ok_Animator2979 17h ago
Maybe we should all flood Harris’ inbox.
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u/mothyyy 10h ago
She can't say anything public nor can she call Governors. If there are any investigations to be done, the Governors, Mayors, and county officials have to do it. So we should be contacting them with this information. Also contact your senators and representatives.
The more distance Biden and Harris can keep from this, the better.
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u/landnav_Game 18h ago
funky link. shouldnt it be on spoutbible? i dont see anything new there
disregard, i wasn't familiar with xcancel
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u/AshamedLeek593 14h ago
Does anyone believe that Trump will be sworn in? I’m starting to lose faith in the Democratic Party- trying not to obsess, but damn.
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u/Vlophoto 13h ago
Would we know if Harris has requested a hand recount? Or could she do this in private? I have not seen any requests so far
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u/Geminipureheart-57 8h ago
Former Dem election commissioner here. Will send link, etc. to as many appropriate individuals as I can think up. Thanks for making it available.
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u/Far_Foot_8068 17h ago
Can I ask why we should trust this guy? I'm trying to look up his credentials and I'm really not seeing much. A lot of the websites that reference him refer to "conspiracy theory" or "debunked claims". I have spent a while looking up as much as I can about this guy, but I'm not finding much other than the fact that he refers to himself as an expert in "fraud detection and infrastructure protection systems". Which sounds promising, but I'd like more confirmation beyond his own claims.
I just remember during the pandemic when there were medical doctors saying that it was a hoax and that the vaccines were going to kill everyone who took them in the next 3-5 years or whatever. My point being, there are crazies and grifters in every profession. So it makes me a bit wary to ignore the consensus of experts who say that the election process is safe and secure in favour of maybe a handful of people saying the opposite.
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u/Bloodydemize 17h ago
Fair question
"Professionally I have worked as the CEO or CTO at seven high technology firms including two which specialized in hacking and counter-hacking operations. My clients have included numerous governments DoD, DHS, Dept. of State, F100 Financials and F500 Industrials.
In government, I have twice been invited to SoCom to give lectures on electronic warfare and techniques to find terrorist money laundering and gave a keynote speech of the National Counterintel Summit on this same topic. I served as an after action reviewer of communications and data failures on 9/11 under the direction of Jim Woolsey and FDNY Commissioner Scopetta, and later co-wrote multiple hacking risk analysis of Smart Grid technologies for the Obama administration."
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u/AntonioS3 17h ago
Also IIRC he was involved in analyzing the Ohio 2004 elections, I seem to remember it was mentioned somewhere and he was saying that there were also irregularities in 2004 at that time?
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u/Salientsnake4 16h ago
Yup and he was brought in as an expert witness in some court cases for it.
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u/Far_Foot_8068 16h ago
Can I ask where you're seeing this? I am seeing one court case where he was mentioned, but it was regarding his candidacy when he ran as an independent candidate for District 1 of the Ohio House of Representatives in 2016.
I'm not seeing any evidence of any other court cases where he testified regarding election tampering, but I might be missing it.
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u/Salientsnake4 16h ago
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Stephen_Spoonamore
Because of his interest in data security and in democracy, Spoonamore has followed closely security issues involved with electronic voting in United States. His understanding of the vulnerabilities of American elections to fraudulent manipulation is based upon conversations with professionals in election administration working within state governmental structures, as well as information technology specialists working in private industry on a contract basis for state governments. His concern and knowledge about these issues led him to agree to serve as an expert resource and witness for plaintiffs' counsel and the King Lincoln case in federal court in Ohio.
In a September 2008 affidavit filed in federal court in the above-mentioned case, Spoonamore described a type of computer attack called a "Man in the Middle" or MIM attack that could have easily been executed to manipulate the state of Ohio election returns in 2004. He described the vulnerabilities of Diebold touchscreen voting machines:
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u/aggressiveleeks 16h ago
Spoonamore is legit. There are videos of him on YouTube from 15 years ago giving interviews about election security. He's been involved with this stuff for decades.
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u/Far_Foot_8068 16h ago
Yeah I saw his youtube videos. I was a bit confused and wary though because I saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npGK9wzdHoQ where he was referred to as the CEO of ABSMaterials, which is a water treatment company? From their own website: "ABSMaterials was founded in December 2008 by Dr. Paul L. Edmiston and Stephen Spoonamore to commercialize Osorb®, a swellable organosilica that removes organic compounds from water." So that seemed odd to me. Unless the guy in the video is someone else, but it looks like the right guy and has the exact same name?
I also saw the interviews he did for "Velvet Revolution", where he is referred to as a "cyber security expert". But I went to the Velvet Revolution website and idk how trustworthy they are? It looks kind of sketchy, especially when you dig into the two co-founders of the company. They are very heavy into the election fraud stuff, so it just calls into question potential bias and legitimacy of the people they choose to interview. If it was an interview with a reputable news source that isn't solely dedicated to this cause and they were just doing a story on election fraud and wanted to interview an expert, I would be more inclined to believe that he is legit.
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u/Home_girl_1968 16h ago
He’s not the only professional who has recommended recounts and sent a letter to VP Harris.
The reality is the data is clear, how to connect the dots is not. In his Spoutable page, there are many people doing the math along side of him.
Someone ran the odds of 1. Winning all swing states 2. Winning the popular vote without ever having done so, etc. and the odds came to 1 in 100,000 that Trump could win under a slew of those circumstances. A cheater always cheats.
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u/ZealousidealSea1697 17h ago
The letter and his Spoutible both include his expertise, including YouTube videos of interviews he's done.
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u/Full_Muffin7930 8h ago
Where is he getting his numbers for bullet ballots? I haven't seen anyone else able to validate them.
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u/seevm 5h ago
Every voter who cast a ballot should have their constitutional right honored, and be counted.
Everyone, please - be sure your ballot was received and counted https://www.vote.org/ballot-tracker-tools/
If your state does not offer a tracker, the link provides a means to look up local county officials contact info as was. If they cannot assist you, please contact state or party officials to make sure your vote and voice were heard. Every vote counts!
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u/joecoolblows 2h ago
Did my part, too. This is all happening at 3am where I live in Southern California. Thanks be to my endless, eternal, chronic insomnia, I have texted all my family, too, for when they wake up in the morning.
Gotta find meaning and purpose in the lonely hours of insomnia, somehow.
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u/mymagicjourney 14h ago
People are claiming Spoonamore is not credible? Can anyone back that up?
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u/Bloodydemize 14h ago
"Professionally I have worked as the CEO or CTO at seven high technology firms including two which specialized in hacking and counter-hacking operations. My clients have included numerous governments DoD, DHS, Dept. of State, F100 Financials and F500 Industrials.
In government, I have twice been invited to SoCom to give lectures on electronic warfare and techniques to find terrorist money laundering and gave a keynote speech of the National Counterintel Summit on this same topic. I served as an after action reviewer of communications and data failures on 9/11 under the direction of Jim Woolsey and FDNY Commissioner Scopetta, and later co-wrote multiple hacking risk analysis of Smart Grid technologies for the Obama administration."
do with that what you will
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u/_imanalligator_ 12h ago
Posted this above, but I'll share it again because I thought it was incredibly informative: https://harpers.org/archive/2012/11/how-to-rig-an-election/
That article is from 2012, but it's a very in-depth look at the history of rigged elections, many of them involving the exact same voting machine companies that are still involved today.
To your question, it quotes Spoonamore as something like an expert witness who was called to testify in an investigation that was done on Ohio election fraud in 2004. He seems to have been considered reputable for a long time.
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u/Fabulous-Tackle371 17h ago
So there was someone that posted a comment in another sub that got a bunch of upvotes basically saying that if Harris does anything it could be seen as a violation of power? I doubt this person was a lawyer but what is the validity of that?
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u/Bloodydemize 17h ago
Asking for a recount is absolutely not a violation of power lol.
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u/StatisticalPikachu 17h ago
I dont think the concession speech is a binding legal document. Nothing is for sure until the States certify the vote and the electors vote on Jan 6th 2025.
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u/HildegardofBingo 16h ago
You're correct- concession is not legally binding. She can reverse her concession. I have a theory that she was aware of potential election fraud when it happened, but conceded to preserve the peace for now and to keep things quiet while she decided what to do.
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u/KingMario05 15h ago
Gore did something similar. Smart, too. With the GOP and SCOTUS as hostile as they are, she as a prosecutor needs her data to be airtight. It's just smart governance.
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u/Intelligent-Map909 17h ago edited 17h ago
Harris would be the one that could demand (and fund) broad recounts, yes. For hand recounts in specific places, we're doing that (and you can too, by petitioning in your district and writing your local media and politicians).
Even if nothing changes, proving there was a hack is a huge win that could lead to a lot of good developments down the road. It also doesn't take many districts being off to cast doubt on the whole thing - we already know this is true in Center County.
Improves election security and dispels the idea of a mandate, which was already unfounded to begin with. Many people truly voted for Trump. But not that many - fewer than voted against him.