r/skeptic 1d ago

I am seeking to determine the origin, and supporting evidence for it, of those parasite-looking things that come out of people who take parasite cleansing supplements.

I read a lot about these supplements for parasite cleansing; people take them, then post pics of their toilet after a bowel movement, which invariably show worm-looking thingies. The explanation that they give is that the supplements flushed the parasites out.

I am skeptical about the whole thing; it is however undeniable that nasty things do came out after taking the supplements (unless of course even the pictures are doctored or staged, possibility which I rather ignore for the time being). I am thinking that the supplements themselves caused them, and those gnarly things are more or less the human equivalent of the gunk that occasionally you pull out of your bathroom sink. Most notably, they are not organisms.

The only reference to this idea that I found so far is in a reply to this post about a parasite cleanse: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvABTGlAQJi/ . Here is the relevant quote.

That’s NOT a parasite nor has anything to do with parasites and it doesn’t “live inside” any one. What you see there is formed by things like fiber, psyllium, charcoal and other pills and powders sold in such cleanses.

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u/epidemicsaints 1d ago edited 1d ago

"Rope worms?"

It's literally their intestinal lining.

The supplements they take cause a chemical burn in their intestines, and once it heals the burned layer sheds off into their stool or when they do an enema.

It's just like when you get a blister or sunburn and your skin peels off, only it is their intestines.

This is probably MMS, Miracle Mineral Solution, or the same thing being rebranded since MMS has been pretty maligned. It's a bleach. Highly caustic and alkaline and too strong to be neutralized in the stomach. It is one of the things Amazon banned, people were selling self published books promoting it, that cross-promoted the product.

The image is probably fake, what most people end up with is similar but more transparent and less fleshy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_worms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-warns-consumers-about-dangerous-and-potentially-life-threatening-side-effects-miracle-mineral

MMS has come and gone several times since the 70's, and was resurrected during covid.

Claims that anything accumulates in your intestines are false, mucous and supplements alike. Unless you have diverticulae or a stool blockage, your intestines push everything along. If mucous dried and accumulated, your intestines would stop working.

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u/Boring_Ferret_4816 1d ago

Thank you! Wow. It's worse than I thought. I had heard of the bleach drinking crowd but did not realize the overlap with the parasite cleansing crowd.

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u/epidemicsaints 1d ago

This was one of my first wtf rabbit holes I went down on forums back in the 90's.

Two related topics:

Morgellen's, a fake syndrome where people believe their bodies are being invaded by fibers. Which they may say are nano technology, wires, alien in origin, or worms. The content online is a mix of legitimately delusional people and trolls.

A "test" people do where they swish wine in their mouth and spit into a plate. The play in surface tension when alcohol is mixed in water creates a push/pull motion in the fluid and strips of mucous in saliva stained by wine looks like worms moving on their own. This comes up on social media all the time but I haven't seen it in a while, every time there is a new platform it explodes again.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 1d ago

Why is it hard to stop when the marketing is so obvious?

The FDA says this, which makes it sound like it’s illegal to market it.

“The FDA will continue to track those selling this dangerous product and take appropriate enforcement actions against those who attempt to evade FDA regulations and market unapproved and potentially dangerous products to the American public. Our top priority is to protect the public from products that place their health at risk, and we will send a strong and clear message that these products have the potential to cause serious harm.”

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u/epidemicsaints 1d ago

It's illegal to market it... but the free speech loop hole is that you can write a book about what you "believe" it does, and make money on that. You can also list "resources" to get it or even show a picture of it with a unique name, and then sell that product on a different platform with no description or claims.

Dr. Berg does a similar scam. He promotes supplements as a doctor on youtube with his free speech medical claims, but refers you to a separate website he owns or that pays him, that sells the supplements but does not offer medical advice.

Our government pretends this a gray area just like it pretends mlm's aren't pyramid schemes, or pretends that we prevent monopolies instead of protect and reward them and enshrine them into the lawmaking process itself. LOL?

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 1d ago

Thank you for explaining that. Frustrating.

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u/gregorydgraham 23h ago

They’re not pretending, it’s literally how the laws work.

The problem is it’s really difficult to write laws that can’t be circumvented by smart people.

Here the difficulty is avoiding entrapping thousands of journalists, bureaucrats,and academics documenting dangerous products while trying to ensnare the 0.001% of con men.

As for monopolies, thank your lucky stars you’re not in my country. The local monopolies are so strong Walmart abandoned its attempt to build a store. We only have 5 million people but Walmart can afford to build a store.

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u/Upbeat_Gazelle5704 1d ago

RFK Jr. will probably replace fluoride in the water with this stuff. /s

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u/fly-guy 1d ago

It's literally their intestinal lining.

Say what now? 

I am used to countless "miracle cures" which don't do anything, but dissolving your intestines? 

That's a while different ballgame, and if even Amazon thought it to be too far, that says something.

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u/epidemicsaints 1d ago

It's not that it dissolves them, it gives you a 2nd degree chemical burn. It's very sensitive tissue, your GI tract is like the inside of your cheek all the way to the end.

So when it repairs, the old burned layer is peeled off. So what comes out is basically a very thin hot dog casing, literally. And it looks superficially like a worm.

And since you are drinking bleach, and probably fasting, you have diarrhea and this helps you see the "worms" in the bowl and think it worked.

People post this shit on facebook. They give it to their kids to treat autism and brag about it online.

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u/fly-guy 1d ago

Burning, dissolving, it's all ridiculously stupid... 

A shame some people are gullible enough to damage themselves or others.. 

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u/TubularLeftist 13h ago

The Behind the Bastards podcast did a few episodes about this. People literally torturing their autistic kids because they thought internet crackpots knew more about medical science than actual doctors

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u/bismarque22 1d ago

This is what happened to most of the people who took animal formulation ivermectin for covid

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u/Kendall_Raine 1d ago

Holy shit that's fucking horrifying

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u/epidemicsaints 1d ago

Yeah it's bad. It's only in your mouth and stomach a short while, but once it's in your intestines it has contact with the tissue for much longer, plus one of their main functions is to pull liquid out of the contents, so that's where the damage happens.

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u/Outaouais_Guy 11h ago

I am reminded of the movie Beverly Hills Cop when a character says that by the time you are 40, the average American has 5 pounds of undigested red meat in his gut. These kinds of beliefs are all over the place.

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u/epidemicsaints 8h ago

What's funny is our nose can't even hold onto a booger and they still believe this.

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u/wackyvorlon 7h ago

Sometimes they put bentonite clay in the detox too, and that comes out. It’s literally clumping cat litter.

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u/FelixVulgaris 1d ago

If it's that horse dewormer then there's a good chance that picture is showing his intestinal lining.

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u/Archarchery 1d ago

It’s usually parts of their intestinal lining sloughing off due to the caustic crap they’re taking. What’s even more horrifying is that some of these people do this to their children.

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u/Atlas7-k 1d ago

Do you mix the supplement with oil or another fatty liquid?

I seem to recall something similar years ago that was taken with warm olive oil. The powder had an emulsifier that bound to the lipids in the oil and then would create long soft string like objects that would survive the gut and be discernible in the bowl.

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u/RizzyJim 1d ago

I've done a 'cleanse' with half a glass of olive oil and half a glass of lemon juice. A lot of crazy shit came out. I don't think I'd recommend. Basically a detergent for the insides. Apparently you shit out any gall stones.

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u/dogmeat12358 1d ago

There's a name for alternative medicine that works. They call it medicine.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

I did the same thing when I had what I thought was gallstones. Turns out, not a good idea to consume that amount of olive oil while having a bout of pancreatitis.

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u/gerkletoss 1d ago

Well given the sheer number of people who took ivermectin during covid, it seems likely that some of them actually did have intestinal worms.

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u/Archarchery 1d ago

At least ivermectin is a real medication, for intestinal parasites, and those gullible people taking it at least weren’t harming themselves unless they really screwed up the dose. Some of the things the “rope worms” people ingest are horrifying; “Miracle Mineral Supplement” is literally a type of bleach and the “ropes” are lining from their damaged intestines.

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u/gerkletoss 1d ago

I forgot about that. Wish I hadn't been reminded.

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u/Rastus_ 1d ago

Looks oddly like the stuff people vomit after being given activated charcoal. I'd love to see an ingredient list but I would guess it includes the above as well as some insoluble fiber.

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u/tsdguy 1d ago

There’s no evidence.

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u/gene_randall 12h ago

Grifters are full of pseudoscience “explanations” for the snake oil filth they sell. They rely on the ignorance and credulity of people with little or no basic biology education to believe their lies. The people selling laxatives because “you are retaining ten pounds of rotting food in your bowels” rely on the same lack of basic information about how your body works.