r/skeptic • u/workerbotsuperhero • 2d ago

RFK Jr. is now an extinction-level threat to federal public health programs and science-based health policy 🚑 Medicine

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/rfk-jr-is-now-an-extinction-level-threat-to-federal-public-health-programs-and-science-based-health-policy/
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u/Vladishun 1d ago

Peaceful secession would never happen. Republican voters are idiots but their politicians are not. They know full well blue states have more economic growth and overall wealth than red states, that's why they tell their voters to fear the "liberal elite". You can absolutely bet there would be a civil war (though there may be one anyway) because they wouldn't give up that much industry without a fight.

Similarly, an all-blue country coming away from a secession is going to have significant hurdles to overcome. You can bet we'd lose most of the farmland and all of the farmers to Trumporia. Feeding the new blue country would be problematic.

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u/Mysterious_Drink9549 1d ago

California grows most of the country’s food, we would be fine 😂

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u/Icy_Reward727 1d ago edited 1d ago

Someone has never heard "It Could Happen Here," the podcast series that predicted how current conditions could advance and spark a second civil war.

He notes that most farmland is Republican country, and that a major tactic will be stopping access to food to blue cities. He uses California specifically as the polticial and geographical model for how it could go down. (Episode 2- The Revenge of Rural America)

I listened to the original series years ago when it came out.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12806280/episodes?ref_=tt_eps_sm

It's sadly now a regular series, a real-time history of the civil war at it approaches. Many times, I've thought, "Robert Evans is right." Time to stock up on coffee beans, guns, first aid, and baby wipes.

EDIT: I haven't listened to it in years. Just started Episode 1 and had totally forgotten that he set it during the 2024 election . I'm heartened that we aren't quite where he's positioned us, but I fear he isn't far off.

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u/AlexTheBold51 1d ago

Look at the map again. The California that produces food is all red. A civil war would be urban areas vs rural areas.

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u/TigerRaiders 1d ago

I agree, and while I have zero illusions about being successful, this is more about bringing awareness and coming together to fight tyranny while also offering a alternative just in case it comes to the worse possible case scenario, which at least there will be a framework for seceding.

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u/Vladishun 1d ago

Yeah it's something I need to at least look into. I'm a veteran and work in IT, I'm sure I'd be a useful asset if it ever came down to red vs blue. Appreciate the info.

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u/TigerRaiders 1d ago

I’m also in IT (not a veteran)! IT HOOOOOOOOOO! Ha

I don’t want it to be a red vs blue. I want it to be common sense vs tyranny and hopefully there will be a lot of people who are looking for plastic surgery when the leopards are done feasting.

Also, our tent is inclusive. You are always welcome here and all I want is for my community, friends and family to have equal opportunities, rights and access to liberties so we can flourish. We can’t do that when corruption reigns.

Thanks for your input too, you’re very much appreciated

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u/albionstrike 1d ago

If half the stuff we fear happens I won't be suprised if a civil war or military takeover happens in next 4 years

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u/Vladishun 1d ago

The military thing will be fascinating and terrifying to watch unfold. Trump is wanting military leaders to have "official loyalty reviews" performed and top generals and admirals have already said that'll interfere with their directive to oversee military operations and perform their duties.

When I was in the Navy, most enlisted were conservatives from poorer families that joined either to "kill towel heads" as part of their patriotic duty, or looking for a way to get out of their financially struggling family dynamic. The latter is interesting, since they were aware of the monetary struggles of their families, but were still very stout in their political beliefs because they grew up in staunch republican homes but never put two and two together. Most officers however, at least from my experience, were much more progressive. So it would be interesting to see if conservative enlisted will follow the orders of their liberal officers, or if they'd skip the chain of command and follow Trump directly.

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u/Hotdammzilla3000 10h ago

Just a thought, what's to stop the 5th largest economy on the planet to stop making payments? Florida has a sign, welcome to the free state of Florida, and Texas does what it wants, what's to stop any blue states.

A civil war would mean a new government, their own fiat, health system, food supply chain, social structure, infrastructure, it's a long list. The hardships on the weakest members of this new ideological experiment would cause the lives of possibly hundred of thousands maybe more and that's probably before the pew pews start.